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AES 2019: Solid State Logic Preview ORIGIN – Next Generation Analogue Studio Console
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For comparison purposes, the SSL Duality has one (internal) power supply for each 24ch leg. Regarding the ORIGIN circuits, I bet they'll be pretty similar to any modern SSL (Matrix, AWS, Duality), that is, individual ch strip cards that pop in and connect to a base motherboard, plus some ribbon cables throughout coming and going.

You can watch here a long 24min video on the Duality's maintenance tasks. Bear in mind the Duality is a much more complex (and expen$$ive) console than the ORIGIN.
On the Video Picture below you can see two Duality Power Supplies, one under each hand. Quite a departure from the monster and noisy 19" rack units.



Or maybe this shorter 9min video with Jim taking us on a tour around SSL headquarters, might show better how modern SSL console internals look like and how they're assembled.


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Old 2 weeks ago
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“Son....“ Wouldn’t that be an Old South racial euphemism to berate grown men?
Actually that's probably polite southern for assh*le...... "antebellum and sweet tea" remarks aren't too nice either FWIW.... please keep race out of this new product announcement and move on.....

This is marketed as a tracking desk and is an SSL not a Daking or an API.

People seem to be awfully confused over something very simple. Seems to me to be a continuation of their entry level Six concept, a straightforward affordable mixing console without a bunch of things that would need future proofing....

Maybe I'm old school but having a single desk which handles everything is a wonderful thing, and speeds workflow.....
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For comparison purposes, the SSL Duality has one (internal) power supply for each 24ch leg. Regarding the ORIGIN circuits, I bet they'll be pretty similar to any modern SSL (Matrix, AWS, Duality), that is, individual ch strip cards that pop in and connect to a base motherboard, plus some ribbon cables throughout coming and going.


Fab! Thx for this.
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This is marketed as a tracking desk and is an SSL not a Daking or an API.
It might be marketed as such and please correct me if i'm wrong, but don't most people who still mix on big consoles break out from the box and automate ITB, whether the board has automation or not? If i had this console i would certainly use it for mixing. DAW out, get a basic balance and automate ITB or with the unity gain buttons, bypass the faders altogether. If you need some automation OTB add a Sigma and done.

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A straightforward affordable mixing console without a bunch of things that would need future proofing.... having a single desk which handles everything is a wonderful thing, and speeds workflow.
Yes and yes. Could someone please talk me out of considering this thing?

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Old 2 weeks ago
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Yes and yes. Could someone please talk me out of considering this thing?
If I had $50k for a console, this would be high on my list.
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It might be marketed as such and please correct me if i'm wrong, but don't most people who still mix on big SSLs and others break out from the box and automate ITB? If i had this console i would certainly use it for mixing. DAW out, get a basic balance and automate ITB and if you like, with the unity gain buttons you can bypass the faders altogether. If you need some automation OTB add a Sigma.



Yes and yes. Could someone please talk me out of considering this thing?
You obviously aren't married....! For my wife would be a high fastball right over the plate.....!
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Actually that's probably polite southern for assh*le...... "antebellum and sweet tea" remarks aren't too nice either FWIW.... please keep race out of this new product announcement and move on.....

This is marketed as a tracking desk and is an SSL not a Daking or an API.

People seem to be awfully confused over something very simple. Seems to me to be a continuation of their entry level Six concept, a straightforward affordable mixing console without a bunch of things that would need future proofing....

Maybe I'm old school but having a single desk which handles everything is a wonderful thing, and speeds workflow.....
Thanks for the late response and pointless reiteration of beating a dead horse; welcome to the party.

No one with ears prefers the sound of SSL pres to comparably-priced boards. MCIs (debatable) and SSLs made using outboard pres a near-necessity. Who thought of such a thing before them?

The appeal of an SSL has to do with having many features in one space. Also, many like their EQs and compressors.

This board strips most of the features that made the SSL—compressors, gates, automation, etc—and leaves lackluster pres, no automation, no gates, no compressors, but the EQs remain intact.

One is left with just another mediocre, stripped down Chinese IC-based board. Give me a good, used live board for $1-3k, which sounds much better and has more features.

This is a $10-20k board with $30k of name recognition.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Ouch !!!!

This is going to make the SSL boys butt hurt.

Cheers
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Actually an unloaded 24 channel API 2448 with automation is $78k MSRP at Vintage King. Which is less if you negotiate.

And it's actually 48 channels with the small fader. That's a lot of channels. But that's unloaded. Still gotta buy 500 series EQ's.. if you don't already have 24 laying around.. haha.

The API eq is very $$. But it has transformers and has a lovely color. I opted for different EQ to save money and add versatility.
Hey James ,which eq did you load into your 2448?,they are building mine.
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Thanks for the late response and pointless reiteration of beating a dead horse; welcome to the party.

No one with ears prefers the sound of SSL pres to comparably-priced boards. MCIs (debatable) and SSLs made using outboard pres a near-necessity. Who thought of such a thing before them?

The appeal of an SSL has to do with having many features in one space. Also, many like their EQs and compressors.

This board strips most of the features that made the SSL—compressors, gates, automation, etc—and leaves lackluster pres, no automation, no gates, no compressors, but the EQs remain intact.

One is left with just another mediocre, stripped down Chinese IC-based board. Give me a good, used live board for $1-3k, which sounds much better and has more features.

This is a $10-20k board with $30k of name recognition.
Thank you for your condescending attitude and pointless review of the sound of a board you've never heard.
If you don't like SSL why do you care?.....
Honestly I'd really hate to release a product and have to deal with people like you.......Ironic you're accusing me of beating a dead horse..... so I'll ignore your beating yours.....
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Hey James ,which eq did you load into your 2448?,they are building mine.
PM me. I got 24 channels of eq pretty affordably.
That API eq is expensive!!

Better start reading the automation manual. It's like a Russian novel, I mean the automation is really deep and flexible. I can work for hours and not even touch the mac.

Also since the inserts are automated and the ALT input is swap able with the mic input it should influence your patchbay layout for ease of use. On one channel I run a mic input, a line input, an effect or aux return, and a tape or daw return all without having to patch. Just a button press. It's very easy to use. And every button is lit. Which is good as I work in the dark.

I was looking at SSL, but after I went through countless pros and cons the SSL, Audient, and API my wife and lots of producer / engineer friends all chose the API. Very happy I did.

Regarding power supplies. My console has two and they are about 35 pounds each.

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Thanks for the late response and pointless reiteration of beating a dead horse; welcome to the party.

No one with ears prefers the sound of SSL pres to comparably-priced boards. MCIs (debatable) and SSLs made using outboard pres a near-necessity. Who thought of such a thing before them?

The appeal of an SSL has to do with having many features in one space. Also, many like their EQs and compressors.

This board strips most of the features that made the SSL—compressors, gates, automation, etc—and leaves lackluster pres, no automation, no gates, no compressors, but the EQs remain intact.

One is left with just another mediocre, stripped down Chinese IC-based board. Give me a good, used live board for $1-3k, which sounds much better and has more features.

This is a $10-20k board with $30k of name recognition.
Wow just wow!!!

Gearslutz is definitely now the 4Chan of audio forums - have to agree with Jindrich again on this. The forum has totally changed since I first started posting here.

Maybe one day the powers that be at Gearslutz will require all accounts to be verified and real names used along with links back to websites and social media accounts to prevent the ridiculous trolling and un-constructive posts that derail almost every thread on the forum.

Almost all of un-informed, low information, troll-ish type posts come from accounts with no identifiable information as to who is posting and what their role/profile in the industry is.

I'm sure the quality of discussions would skyrocket if there was no anonymous posting possible.

The current situation is DISGUSTING!
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I’d rather debate points than insult individuals.
Old 1 week ago
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i think i would still stick to Digital recalls so Wes audio and bettermaker stuff works better for me now,
in the past i would get this without thinking, but as of my workflow today, i would prefer to have instant recall in each project and track all the time
without the need of taking pictures and losing time, especially that i do work in multiple projects at the same time so every couple of hours i need to finish some parts in different projects.

but it looks nice, and a lot of people will now enjoy the ssl sound.
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Hi
Can someone post photographs of the internal insides of this desk
Thanks
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Would anyone know if the Origin's mix bus is AWS/Duality 'clean', or can it be a bit dirtier?

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Why'd ssl name this board after a Marshall amp?
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I’d rather debate points than insult individuals.
In regard to your blanket statement about SSL pres...

Just for a reference, could you tell us how many SSL boards you have sat behind and tracked on?

Sounds like you are regurgitating “talking points” about the original 4000 G/G+ pres which led producers and engineers to begin using outboard preamps.

Now my poor country butt has never sat behind an SSL, but I have bought CDs and digital downloads of albums I know were tracked and mixed on current SSLs.

I do research a lot on consoles as a past time. I had a period of time where I was buying music tracked and mixed on Amek 9098i consoles.

I also listened to the sound bites of the SSL Duality pres, versus the harmonic overload pre. I thought it was a genius idea. Because of all the color you can use on your recorded tracks in your DAW or with the UAD setup I use, its the transparent pre that interests me the most.

I feel it would be harder to use what I already have if I am using a preamp that colors the sound on the way in. Audient also has fairly neutral preamps. So does the 9000 series SSL consoles and as far as outboard the Millenial HV-3 series outboard pres which I have used and loved.

Horses for courses, but if you are going to use talking points, it would be most helpful if you had real world experience with the equipment your are bashing. But I will gladly give you the benefit of a doubt that you have worked on 4 generations of SSL consoles and know the preamps on them intimately.

So it would be more helpful if you could put the SSL console’s make that you have worked on and how you felt about the pres on those consoles instead of using blanket statements that are confusing to the reader.

Bless your heart

Pat
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In regard to your blanket statement about SSL pres...

Just for a reference, could you tell us how many SSL boards you have sat behind and tracked on?

Sounds like you are regurgitating “talking points” about the original 4000 G/G+ pres which led producers and engineers to begin using outboard preamps.

Now my poor country butt has never sat behind an SSL, but I have bought CDs and digital downloads of albums I know were tracked and mixed on current SSLs.

I do research a lot on consoles as a past time. I had a period of time where I was buying music tracked and mixed on Amek 9098i consoles.

I also listened to the sound bites of the SSL Duality pres, versus the harmonic overload pre. I thought it was a genius idea. Because of all the color you can use on your recorded tracks in your DAW or with the UAD setup I use, its the transparent pre that interests me the most.

I feel it would be harder to use what I already have if I am using a preamp that colors the sound on the way in. Audient also has fairly neutral preamps. So does the 9000 series SSL consoles and as far as outboard the Millenial HV-3 series outboard pres which I have used and loved.

Horses for courses, but if you are going to use talking points, it would be most helpful if you had real world experience with the equipment your are bashing. But I will gladly give you the benefit of a doubt that you have worked on 4 generations of SSL consoles and know the preamps on them intimately.

So it would be more helpful if you could put the SSL console’s make that you have worked on and how you felt about the pres on those consoles instead of using blanket statements that are confusing to the reader.

Bless your heart

Pat
You already presumed I was speaking from “talking points”. No, I’ve been behind enough (mostly) 4000s and (some) 9000s, and I’ve studied the sounds of the smaller/modular models to make an opinion. It’s difficult not to be familiar with the SSL sound(s).

The SSL family of sounds is pretty well known. Some like the sounds more than others, obviously.

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You already presumed I was speaking from “talking points”. No, I’ve been behind enough (mostly) 4000s and (some) 9000s, and I’ve studied the sounds of the smaller/modular models, to make an opinion. It’s difficult not to be familiar with the SSL sound(s).

The SSL family of sounds is pretty well known. Some like the sounds more than others, obviously.
OK thanks! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I believe SSL was the first console to put serious punch into drum kits. I really do not know if SSL improved upon their earliest preamp or what. But I can tell if something from the 80s or 90s was mixed using one.

Pat
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OK thanks! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I believe SSL was the first console to put serious punch into drum kits. I really do not know if SSL improved upon their earliest preamp or what. But I can tell if something from the 80s or 90s was mixed using one.

Pat
Relax.
What you believe and reality are not exactly in phase.
Like, nobody was using SSL consoles as tracking consoles i.e. the preamps.. if they could help it.

And that is exactly what SSL is saying this console is> A tracking console. Mixing on this in a professional environment would be basically impossible. I mean at a pro level. There is no auto, no recall, no DAW control, no comps. It's not a mixing console.

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Relax.
What you believe and reality are exactly in phase.
Like, nobody was using SSL consoles as tracking consoles i.e. the preamps.. if they could help it.

And that is exactly what SSL is saying this console is> A tracking console. Mixing on this in a professional environment would be basically impossible. I mean at a pro level. There is no auto, no recall, no DAW control, no comps. It's not a mixing console.
I agree in that very few people used to record with SSL pres by choice, but the pres on this desk, according to all descriptions i've read so far, are not to be found on any previous SSL product. I'd hesitate to issue opinions before actually hearing them.

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I'd hesitate to issue opinions before actually hearing them.
But raal, we're on Gearslutz! Where no one has used this console!! woohoo!
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I agree in that very few people used to record with SSL pres by choice, but the pres on this desk, according to all descriptions i've read so far, are not to be found on any previous SSL product. I'd hesitate to issue opinions before actually hearing them.
I vaguely recall and interview on you tube with Kevin Shirley discussing the VHD pres in regards to a Joe Bonamassa album he was working on. He mention that he could get the SSL VHD pres to sound similar to the Neve 80 series console pres he was using to record with but YMMV.
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I vaguely recall and interview on you tube with Kevin Shirley discussing the VHD pres in regards to a Joe Bonamassa album he was working on. He mention that he could get the SSL VHD pres to sound similar to the Neve 80 series console pres he was using to record with but YMMV.
I also remember people speaking highly of the VHD pres, but my impression is these are different from any previous SSL product, including VHD.

SSL website:

"ORIGIN features a completely new microphone pre-amplifier design that inherits the clarity and purity of previous SSL mic pre's, with the added flexibility of switching character to a warm, harmonically-rich and driven tone that varies with gain. The ideal solution to 'perfect' digital system and hybrid workflow.

PureDrive™ is a new discrete transistor mic-pre based around modern FET components. The result is an ultra-clean, ultra-low noise pre amp, that is fast and offers stunning resolution when in 'Pure' mode. Hit the switch and the 'Drive' circuit is engaged, adding gain dependent non-linear harmonic saturation."

Look forward to seeing/hearing what they're all about.
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