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Spitfire Audio announces BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA
Old 28th August 2019
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Spitfire Audio announces BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA

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Spitfire Audio announces collaborative calling with London launch of BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA at Barbican Centre keynote

LONDON, UK: having teased with the telltale This is London calling... video, intriguing in advance of its biggest release to date, the wait is finally over for all as Spitfire Audio is proud to announce (upcoming) availability of BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA — launched during a captivating keynote at London’s legendary Barbican Centre as a world-class orchestra within the sound-specialising British music technology company’s award- winning standalone plug-in, providing a solid foundation for any composer’s toolkit and workflow within a single sample library like no other; the expansive result of an extraordinary, one-of-a-kind venture created in partnership with BBC Studios, the British television production and distribution company that is the commercial arm of the oldest entertainment organisation in the world, and in collaboration with the world-renowned BBC Symphony Orchestra to which it obviously owes its notable name — as of August 28…

BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA is a universal starting point for orchestral sample libraries, letting everyone talk the same language. It is so much more than a product release; rather it is the start of a movement. After all, the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) is a worldwide, trusted institution of huge cultural significance, and, much like Spitfire Audio, its core values are rooted in both accessible learning and innovation. Indeed, as a world-class, cohesive concert orchestra known for its standard in playing and commitment to innovative education work, the BBC Symphony Orchestra has been at the heart of British musical culture since its creation, coming up to its 90th year. Yet the BBC has happily put its name — and its principal broadcast orchestra — behind BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA. Is it little wonder, then, that this represents Spitfire Audio’s most expansive and ambitious project to date? Duly it is worthy of being launched with such collective company pride during a captivating keynote at London’s legendary Barbican Centre, a world-class arts and learning facility famed for pushing the boundaries of all major art forms, including dance, film, music, theatre, and visual arts — This is London calling... indeed!

Innovatively recorded to trusted superlative standards by Spitfire Audio at London’s legendary Maida Vale Studios — a complex of seven BBC Sound studios sited in one of the BBC’s earliest premises, pre-dating Broadcasting House, and the centre of the BBC News operation during World War II, before being used to record thousands of classical music, popular music, and drama sessions for BBC Radio 1, BBC Radio 2, BBC Radio 3, BBC Radio 4, and BBC Radio 6 Music from 1946 to the present — and performed by an orchestra renowned for its remarkably homogenous performances, honed from playing some of the best and most challenging works together for years and selling out concert halls the world over, the comparatively youthful sound-specialising British music technology company has pulled out all the stops with BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, creating a future-proof classic comprising the finest strings, woodwinds, brass, and percussion.

Put it this way: with BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, Spitfire Audio has succeeded in creating a comprehensive, professional product made up of 99 players, 55 different instruments, 418 techniques (180 String, 110 Woodwind, 84 Brass, 44 Percussion), 33 legatos, and a staggering 20 signals — two mixes, five spill signals, 11 mic positions, and two atmos (front/rear) — for ultimate creative control. It is the definitive symphony orchestra made accessible to all through the cutting-edge technology of Spitfire Audio’s award-winning standalone plug-in, providing a solid foundation for any composer’s toolkit and workflow within a single sample library like no other. As a collaborative platform that is perfectly positioned to take orchestral music into the future, sampling has truly arrived and the possibilities are endless. This is just the beginning.

BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA can currently be preordered as an AAX-, AU-, and VST-compatible plug-in that loads directly into a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) for a time-limited introductory promo price of £679.00 GBP (inc. VAT)/$749.00 USD/€749.00 EUR (inc. VAT) until November 14, 2019 — rising thereafter to an RRP of £899.00 GBP (inc. VAT)/$899.00 USD/€899.00 EUR (inc. VAT) — from here: https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a...ony-orchestra/

Spitfire Audio recommends that customers purchase BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA on its SSD (Solid State Drive), which will come with custom packaging specifically for the product with an RRP of £199.00 GBP (inc. VAT)/$199.00 USD/€199.00 EUR (inc. VAT); please note that the last day this can be ordered to be delivered by the release date is October 14, 2019.

Watch the BBC SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA launch live stream here: https://youtu.be/q9Nud1INFFM
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Old 28th August 2019
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I watched the Launch Event today -the Orchestra sounds amazing! And that *this* -the BBC Symphony Orchestra Library!!- should even exist! Well! I'm probably more than a little swept up in the romance and imagination of it all still...but I found myself really moved; it does sound fantastic.

I'm not sure I'm sold on the whole "Universal Starting Point" thing yet -or that I even understand that (!), but absolutely -having this available for use will be amazing.

Kudos Spitfire!
Old 28th August 2019
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Eh I don’t know. My nexus orchestra pack is pretty darn good.
Old 28th August 2019
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How is it not Kontakt and NKS compatible? Never heard that.
Old 28th August 2019
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Game changing shtuff.

The Sample Library scene just went mainstream... big time.

Just imagine those early orchestral Giga libraries years ago - how tiny, clumsy and costly. Then remember the disruptive VSL Libraries (Vienna Pro) when they fist came out. They were eye wateringly expensive.

Now we have this BBC Orchestral Library, basically all that massive sampling evolution of sound, quality, and tech for about £800 quid. That is Insane.

We live in fantastic times - I dreamed of this kind of thing 15 years ago. Dreams come true!

Well done SA and congrats.
Old 29th August 2019
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The demo in the video stream sounded pretty nice to me. Orchestral sample packs are always out of the range of all but the pros (and understandably with all the work that goes into them), but this one seems a pretty decent price. I wonder how much was using sampled riffs and how much was played in MIDI in the demo though.
Old 29th August 2019
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The demo in the video stream sounded pretty nice to me. Orchestral sample packs are always out of the range of all but the pros (and understandably with all the work that goes into them), but this one seems a pretty decent price. I wonder how much was using sampled riffs and how much was played in MIDI in the demo though.
Pretty sure it's all played in, Spitfire don't do prerecorded phrase libraries (only Albion V and EVOs, which are no phrases per se, rather evolving pads).
Old 29th August 2019
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How is it not Kontakt and NKS compatible? Never heard that.
That, on its own, seems like really big news. Spitfire moving away from NI is hard to imagine.

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Old 29th August 2019
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Andy's demo sounds brilliant.

I can't see how serious composers can not have this in the toolbox. Obviously, looking forward to getting into the specifics of articulations and handling.
Old 29th August 2019
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How is it not Kontakt and NKS compatible? Never heard that.
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That, on its own, seems like really big news. Spitfire moving away from NI is hard to imagine.
I believe this new "hosting software" format first appeared in their new Labs series -although they could have used it elsewhere before that and I'm just not aware. The Labs, anyway, seemed much simpler with a great sound still, but fewer options the user could address. That's probably down to how the new Labs were designed though.

I, for one, really didn't like it when EWQL moved away from Kontakt to their own "Play" software, and I initially don't like this move here by Spitfire either. Kontakt works (!), and where it doesn't I'd like to see people just 'turning up the heat' on NI to get it to work (better). But then I'm a curmudgeon about change...at least when it comes to having to learn new "system software" just to keep making music.

Still, I trust SF and if they're releasing this under their new software I also trust it will work just fine...and that (sigh) I'll eventually come to love it.

I'm still just really psyched this is coming into Being! I was thinking more about the "Universal Starting Point" aspect. I understand the English here (the language, not the people necessarily! ) but I still don't know what that means -"Universal Starting Point"?! I think it more likely that we'll now see The New York Philharmonic, Berliner Philharmoniker, and other great Orchestras of the world being sampled. (which wouldn't be half bad!)
Old 29th August 2019
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I believe this new "hosting software" format first appeared in their new Labs series -although they could have used it elsewhere before that and I'm just not aware. The Labs, anyway, seemed much simpler with a great sound still, but fewer options the user could address. That's probably down to how the new Labs were designed though.

I, for one, really didn't like it when EWQL moved away from Kontakt to their own "Play" software, and I initially don't like this move here by Spitfire either. Kontakt works (!), and where it doesn't I'd like to see people just 'turning up the heat' on NI to get it to work (better). But then I'm a curmudgeon about change...at least when it comes to having to learn new "system software" just to keep making music.

Still, I trust SF and if they're releasing this under their new software I also trust it will work just fine...and that (sigh) I'll eventually come to love it.

I'm still just really psyched this is coming into Being! I was thinking more about the "Universal Starting Point" aspect. I understand the English here (the language, not the people necessarily! ) but I still don't know what that means -"Universal Starting Point"?! I think it more likely that we'll now see The New York Philharmonic, Berliner Philharmoniker, and other great Orchestras of the world being sampled. (which wouldn't be half bad!)
I hear you and don't necessarily disagree.

However, if you think about the Kontakt interface you get with the recent SF libraries, you'll see that it's basically the same parameters: articulations, mic blends, controller assignments, etc. How many times do you go under the hood to tweak a Spitfire string patch in Kontakt?

There is an argument that a streamlined player could be more efficient and focused. Of course, it could be buggy; and it probably won't be easy (or even possible) to tweak under the hood for those inclined. We'll have to see, I guess.

But in a day-to-day use scenario, I don't think we'll be at too much of a disadvantage from a functional perspective. I'm not really scared of it. It looked pretty clean to me.
Old 29th August 2019
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I see it can come on a 1tb SSD, but does it say anywhere what the actual storage requirements are?

EDIT: Nevermind. It’s 600gb, per the FAQ https://www.spitfireaudio.com/info/f...ony-orchestra/
Old 29th August 2019
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You can probably run it off that SSD, no? Would be a shame if that wasn't the case.

This is the first Spitfire product where I'm not hearing the tape HISS. Have they finally got rid of the awful tape recording for sampling?? That would be AWESOME NEWS!!! Demo sounds fantastic.

(I dislike recording samples on tape as it is incredibly unrealistic as every single sample you trigger has it's own extra layer of hiss and blur.. this is not how tapes work when you record things for real. Thus it is not at all a suitable recording medium for high-end sampling, in my opinion).
Old 30th August 2019
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This sounds amazing. Anxious for them to release the articulations - I'm a sucker for sordino strings so I'm hoping it's well represented in this BBC library. I would think it would be as it has been in their other libraries like Albion.
Old 31st August 2019
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I hear you and don't necessarily disagree.

However, if you think about the Kontakt interface you get with the recent SF libraries, you'll see that it's basically the same parameters: articulations, mic blends, controller assignments, etc. How many times do you go under the hood to tweak a Spitfire string patch in Kontakt?

There is an argument that a streamlined player could be more efficient and focused. Of course, it could be buggy; and it probably won't be easy (or even possible) to tweak under the hood for those inclined. We'll have to see, I guess.

But in a day-to-day use scenario, I don't think we'll be at too much of a disadvantage from a functional perspective. I'm not really scared of it. It looked pretty clean to me.

Those are all good points -thank you. You're right, I don't do a whole lot of under the hood tweaking! And it does look really clean. I look forward to the release and to working with the new layout.
Old 31st August 2019
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Incredible sounding...

They did a really amazing job judging by the demos...just a few year ago it would have cost $10,000 to get an orchestra that sounded this cohesive and high-quality...fantastic job guys and great price for this!

God bless!

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Old 31st August 2019
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Do i get a discount if i have a current BBC TV license
Old 10th September 2019
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Does anyone know whether or not this library and software will run on a cheese grater Mac Pro? They’re showing an i5 minimum in the Mac specs. I have a 2010 6 core machine.

Neil
Old 10th September 2019
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Does anyone know whether or not this library and software will run on a cheese grater Mac Pro? They’re showing an i5 minimum in the Mac specs. I have a 2010 6 core machine.

Neil

I have a 2010 5,1 12 core 3.46 GHz (dual X5690's) Westmere cheese grater -Spitfire libraries run just fine for me.

If your 2010 6 core is the 3.33 Westmere version (which it likely is), that would make the CPU a W3680. Here is a comparison of the W3680 with an i5-2300, 2.8 Quad Core. Your 2010 6 core is *way* more powerful than Spitfire's suggested minimum of an i5 Quad Core 2.8GHz (which is Spitfire's minimum specification).

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...0/m12335vsm291


You should be fine. Enjoy!
Old 11th September 2019
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I have a 2010 5,1 12 core 3.46 GHz (dual X5690's) Westmere cheese grater -Spitfire libraries run just fine for me.

If your 2010 6 core is the 3.33 Westmere version (which it likely is), that would make the CPU a W3680. Here is a comparison of the W3680 with an i5-2300, 2.8 Quad Core. Your 2010 6 core is *way* more powerful than Spitfire's suggested minimum of an i5 Quad Core 2.8GHz (which is Spitfire's minimum specification).

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...0/m12335vsm291


You should be fine. Enjoy!
Thanks man!! Awesome.
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Like I said, the 'bang-for-buck' for this lib is a madness.
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I’m holding out high hopes for this library. The concept is great, and the price is killer.

I do admit that—other than the Andy Blaney demo—I’ve not heard anything that’s really blowing me away yet. I found the overview lacking and unsatisfying, although I always appreciate the effort they put into these things.

I’d love to hear more of the sections in depth, and see if there are any trick programming features. I’m happy they are getting away from that too-large Air main hall; but the fact that the Maida Vale room is going away troubles me in re: to any future expansions or updates to this library.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see; I imagine they are hard at work ironing out issues before commercial release, and bless them all for it. But I’ve been holding off putting down my credit card until I hear more.
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How many ways can they do strings? Lol they release Brew strings every two months
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Wainting for the Fox orchestra ... lol

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20 signals/mic positions?? That might be overkill for a high percentage of users.

Articulations, tone and depth of realism are far more important to me than having a lot of mic positions. I'll use the one that allows the most flexible mixing on my end to fit the score.

That leaves 95% of the disc space wasted for me (typical of these high mi- count libraries). I would rather a library focus on tone and articulations with 2 superb, open, but not overly wet sounding close and tree mics. If we can download and install only the mics we want, then the developer can include as many as they want.

But I get it, most newer composers don't know how to mix a mockup, and that is what this concept is aimed at - a flexible sound for an affordable full orchestra package. It seems to sound good. It is always hard to know until putting a library into use, as demos are always adapted to the strengths of the library.
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This library absolutely kills everything else. Damn I'm so super impressed by this. Will definitely have to get this at some point in the distant future. Anybody know what engine they are using for the sample playback? UVI technology or custom in-house stuff?
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This library absolutely kills everything else. Damn I'm so super impressed by this. Will definitely have to get this at some point in the distant future. Anybody know what engine they are using for the sample playback? UVI technology or custom in-house stuff?
It’s their own new app. Quality stuff, developed by UsTwo, makers of that wonderful Monument Valley game. You can check the GUI on the product page.
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I've done extensive comparisons between orchestral sample libraries and have time and again been disappointed by Spitfire products, even though their concepts and marketing are very good.

Here are my main issues, and listening closely to the trailer video I can't say I'm convinced that improvements have been made:

1) Their legato articulations across the board are less realistic than the competition. CineSamples, Orchestral Tools and Project SAM all have a better script. Spitfire legato has a weird 'whump' between notes and is often all over the place with regard to timing.

2) For making products that are as expensive as theirs, they have _a lot_ of bad samples in their products. Meaning sample material that has creaky chairs, out of tune notes or other blemishes that should not be there! Try writing a repeating ostinato line of 16th's where one of the notes has a repeated, identical 'clonk!' from someone accidentally kicking a violin case.

3) The noise floor in their samples is horribly high. Play large chords in very low dynamics and you suddenly have hiss everywhere. You can forget ever EQ'ing strings in particular to be brighter, especially on room mics.

4) Last and maybe worst: they never fix their old libraries' mistakes, but instead just keep releasing new stuff on top of it for you to spend more money on.

My advice: don't be fooled by full mix trailer video material. If you listen closely you can actually hear that at least the bad legato is still there.

One positive I will say is that finally their articulation list seems more consistent. In older products I constantly bumped into one section of whatever instrument family not having the same articulations as the others. So you might have had flautando on all the strings except bass or pizzicato on everything except 2nd violins etc.
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I can absolutely agree with all points above. The noise especially was a huge issue with other Spitfire libraries. I'm hopeful that this one doesn't have those issues due to not being recorded on tape.

Using tape as the recording medium was just plain stupid in my opinion.. yes it can be nice for actual orchestral recordings but NOT for individual samples where everything is always multiplied.

Also Spitfire Audio have indeed been really bad at fixing out of tune and broken (noisy/creaky) samples.. going as far as stating that these things are by design and give character to their libraries. Absolute bollocks. So yeah, I totally agree with the above.

.. having said all that, I'm impressed by what I've seen and heard so far. It looks like a really "complete" library giving tremendous bang for the buck.
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