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I tried to tell them that but I got a pile of $#@&* for speaking truth to stupidity.
No big deal. The technology is light years ahead of the law. The law will not catch up. This is exactly why tech companies make so much money.
Old 1 week ago
  #122
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Save the environment. It's a sacrifice, but worth it for future generations.
I’d quote a CS&N song here if I could remember the lyrics.
“We are stardust, blah blah blah blah..., and we’ve got to get ourselves back to the garden.”
Old 1 week ago
  #123
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This trolling got me thinking :

Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?

I know a lot of musicians and really can't think of any who don't make a full time income, as long as they actually put in the hours..

I know a lot of musicians who work 5-10 hours a week on their music and make no money, then are upset with the industry for not "discovering" them..
Old 1 week ago
  #124
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Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?
Excellent question.
Yes, I have known a few such people.
Some of them are (or were) so young that their 50 hours a week didn’t connect with any work. Some of those lost their obsession with music and went on to other careers.
A few of them are extremely talented, but so bat-doo crazy that money (and other musical talent) avoided them after one or two projects.
Some of them spend their 50 hours on musical theater or metal bands that don’t have good original material. Their talent isn’t connected to a serious attempt to make money. I think a number of them are mostly OK with that.
Some of them stay in place like here, 250 miles from Los Angeles, and don’t have enough tech and business savvy to work successfully at that distance.

I don’t disagree with your thought, if you could weed out people who DO have musical talent and work on improving it, but are completely clueless about connecting that talent to a source of income.
Old 1 week ago
  #125
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This trolling got me thinking :

Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?
Good point. I know plenty of folks who have tried and failed but there is usually a very obvious fatal flaw having nothing to do with a lack of available opportunity.
Old 1 week ago
  #126
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Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?
But how do you get there? It's kind of a catch 22 isn't it? If you're not earning a full time income from your music how can you afford to spend 60 hrs a week working on it?
Old 1 week ago
  #127
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Originally Posted by JohnFulford View Post
This trolling got me thinking :

Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?

I know a lot of musicians and really can't think of any who don't make a full time income, as long as they actually put in the hours..

I know a lot of musicians who work 5-10 hours a week on their music and make no money, then are upset with the industry for not "discovering" them..
most musicians/songwriters/producers that i know...

1) are into the artistic side of the biz to bother with sync licensing
2) dont have the composing chops to do this
3) dont have the gear/finances to do this
4) dont have the time/patience to do this
5) dont have the mixing/mastering skills to do this
6) dont know/understand this side of the biz
7) dont have the business/marketing skills to do this
8) too busy with full time job/family/life to do this (full time)
9) not interested (rather teach, gig, songwrite, session, etc)
10) dont have thick skin...

that should rule out a lot i guess..
Old 1 week ago
  #128
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But how do you get there? It's kind of a catch 22 isn't it? If you're not earning a full time income from your music how can you afford to spend 60 hrs a week working on it?
I've had this conversation a lot. People are fine spending hours of their life binging TV series. I know people who are up to date with Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones, Seen all of Breaking Bad, youtube, listening to podcasts, vlogs, have seen all the latest films, exhausted options on Netflix, watch sports, go on vacation, take weekends off to pursue hobbies. And even use precious energy giving a **** about gossip and tabloid headlines. Then post about all of the above on Facebook.

It's really a choice how you spend your spare time. Not saying it will lead to a career, but I've sacrificed a lot to be in a position where music is my living. Pretty much years of wondering whether it'll work out whilst everyone else is buying houses, travelling and enjoying their weekends in the sun.
Old 1 week ago
  #129
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But how do you get there? It's kind of a catch 22 isn't it? If you're not earning a full time income from your music how can you afford to spend 60 hrs a week working on it?
Like Jurassic Park.."life finds a way".
Old 1 week ago
  #130
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But how do you get there? It's kind of a catch 22 isn't it? If you're not earning a full time income from your music how can you afford to spend 60 hrs a week working on it?
Easy, you just.....bam, now you are earning a full time living from your music!
Old 1 week ago
  #131
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Easy, you just.....bam, now you are earning a full time living from your music!
Yeah it sounds like a solid principle. I mean, do you know anyone who works 60 hours a week as a lawyer or doctor who isn't earning a full time living from it?
Old 1 week ago
  #132
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Yeah it sounds like a solid principle. I mean, do you know anyone who works 60 hours a week as a lawyer or doctor who isn't earning a full time living from it?
Earning a living from their day job?

Anyway, I think that if someone wants to earn a living from doing music, he/she will need to make a lot of sacrifices upfront in order to make that happen.

There is no way I would quit my day job to create production music for 50+ hours a week. I make a solid salary and have full benefits.

So unless my royalty checks increase tenfold, I will stay where I am and do music as an amateur composer.
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This trolling got me thinking :

Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?

I know a lot of musicians and really can't think of any who don't make a full time income, as long as they actually put in the hours..

I know a lot of musicians who work 5-10 hours a week on their music and make no money, then are upset with the industry for not "discovering" them..
Well the washpost had a long article about a band with several CDs toured usa and europe but they quit because they could not make a living doing it.

This *IS* a VERY long tailed phenomenon now where a very few at the top make a very lot of money while some in the middle are covering expenses but the vast majority are net minus on their money and spent all their time achieving nothing of value moneywise.
Old 1 week ago
  #134
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Well the washpost had a long article about a band with several CDs toured usa and europe but they quit because they could not make a living doing it.

This *IS* a VERY long tailed phenomenon now where a very few at the top make a very lot of money while some in the middle are covering expenses but the vast majority are net minus on their money and spent all their time achieving nothing of value moneywise.
It seems like your comparison is off...I see it as the difference between a general practitioner and a specialist, really cant compare both worlds even if in the same field
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Originally Posted by JohnFulford View Post
This trolling got me thinking :

Does anyone know a musician/composer/producer etc.. with at least a modicum of talent that works 50-60 hours per week on their music that does NOT earn a full-time, middle class income with their music?

I know a lot of musicians and really can't think of any who don't make a full time income, as long as they actually put in the hours..

I know a lot of musicians who work 5-10 hours a week on their music and make no money, then are upset with the industry for not "discovering" them..
I'll put it this way: I make an effort to find ways to help musician friends earn some money. If I have an opportunity to hire someone or put a friend in touch with a potential source of income, I do it. Pay it forward, all boats rise, etc.

Thing is, it's hard to find someone who has both the skills and temperament to do the job. The ones who do are already making a living...not a coincidence.
Old 1 week ago
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I'll put it this way: I make an effort to find ways to help musician friends earn some money. If I have an opportunity to hire someone or put a friend in touch with a potential source of income, I do it. Pay it forward, all boats rise, etc.

Thing is, it's hard to find someone who has both the skills and temperament to do the job. The ones who do are already making a living...not a coincidence.
Real convo between me and a "musician".

Me : I thought you were sending me music before and you didn't come through.

Musician : Forget about that, I want to work, i want to work!

Me : OK I'll slide some work your way

[1 week later]

Me : Hey did you get the links i sent? How soon can you add some vocals to this track?

Musician : Oh...I'm going on vacation for 3 weeks, how soon do you need this?


I wish this was the exception to the norm.
Old 1 week ago
  #137
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Real convo between me and a "musician".

Me : I thought you were sending me music before and you didn't come through.

Musician : Forget about that, I want to work, i want to work!

Me : OK I'll slide some work your way

[1 week later]

Me : Hey did you get the links i sent? How soon can you add some vocals to this track?

Musician : Oh...I'm going on vacation for 3 weeks, how soon do you need this?


I wish this was the exception to the norm.
Yep. My latest one...

Them: I'm moving to LA this week and I'm looking for work...any chance you could introduce me to someone? I could really use the help...I'd be open to talk with anyone.

Me: Sure. I'll introduce you to the director of music at network X.

Me a month later: How's LA? Did you get a chance to connect with...

Them: Oh, no. I haven't had a chance to reach out.
Old 1 week ago
  #138
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Experiencing those stories has got to be frustrating for you guys, but in a way it's very encouraging for me.
Old 1 week ago
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Yep. My latest one...

Them: I'm moving to LA this week and I'm looking for work...any chance you could introduce me to someone? I could really use the help...I'd be open to talk with anyone.

Me: Sure. I'll introduce you to the director of music at network X.

Me a month later: How's LA? Did you get a chance to connect with...

Them: Oh, no. I haven't had a chance to reach out.
Sheesh. If that were me, I am reaching out before I unpack.
Old 1 week ago
  #140
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Yep. My latest one...

Them: I'm moving to LA this week and I'm looking for work...any chance you could introduce me to someone? I could really use the help...I'd be open to talk with anyone.

Me: Sure. I'll introduce you to the director of music at network X.

Me a month later: How's LA? Did you get a chance to connect with...

Them: Oh, no. I haven't had a chance to reach out.
Come on. It's obvious the guy was stuck in LA traffic for a month. Give him anaother chance. Sheesh!
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