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ASCAP Royalties Vs. BMI
Old 1 week ago
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ASCAP Royalties Vs. BMI

Hey guys,
Wanted to float out this question to you all since ASCAP domestic just paid this morning...

I am seeing what appears to be a low number for MTV placements in prime time and i wanted to ask if these amounts on my statement sound right to you or are too low?

I was seeing across the board $28.5 per 1 min of Prime Time airing per one airing. I was seeing this amount consistent across three shows.

I just got off the phone with a BMI writer that has had music on the same show seeing $100-$130 per min prime time 1 airing.

Anyone else in any of these ballparks?

THANK YOU!
Old 1 week ago
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Hey guys,
Wanted to float out this question to you all since ASCAP domestic just paid this morning...

I am seeing what appears to be a low number for MTV placements in prime time and i wanted to ask if these amounts on my statement sound right to you or are too low?

I was seeing across the board $28.5 per 1 min of Prime Time airing per one airing. I was seeing this amount consistent across three shows.

I just got off the phone with a BMI writer that has had music on the same show seeing $100-$130 per min prime time 1 airing.

Anyone else in any of these ballparks?

THANK YOU!
Just did a quick check I'm at $29.26 for an instrumental, showing as BG on my statement..

Two things to look for...is the BMI cue notated as a background instrumental? Or did they notate it as a vocal?

Also...with BMI it's super hard to tell if it's 1 airing or several...I don't believe they have the amount of times it's aired on the statement but ill check again to make sure..
Old 1 week ago
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BMI lists number of airings but not day part. I’ve got some stuff in reruns on MTV that I know aired outside of prime time paying about $20 per minute for a background instrumental. But then there are a few that paid more like $50 per minute. Maybe those were in prime time.

This is a super small sample size, though, and BMI does supposedly take ratings into account when apportioning royalties, so every show could be different.
Old 5 days ago
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Originally Posted by clearside View Post
Hey guys,
Wanted to float out this question to you all since ASCAP domestic just paid this morning...

I am seeing what appears to be a low number for MTV placements in prime time and i wanted to ask if these amounts on my statement sound right to you or are too low?

I was seeing across the board $28.5 per 1 min of Prime Time airing per one airing. I was seeing this amount consistent across three shows.

I just got off the phone with a BMI writer that has had music on the same show seeing $100-$130 per min prime time 1 airing.

Anyone else in any of these ballparks?

THANK YOU!
The other thing is comparing the AMOUNT of plays.

ASCAP may have given you roughly $30/min, and you might have 30 airings...

BMI may have given you $100/min, but you might only have 9 airings.

If you are going to compare you really need to cowrite with a BMI writer and check with the cowriter. When I've compared things I've cowritten with BMI writers they usually make more per airing, but I have usually made more total because I end up with way more airings than they had on their BMI statement.

I'll have 200 airings of a promo, while they have it listed once. I'll have 10 listings of an inshow placement airing, they'll have 3. So yes, they might have a higher rate... but you really have to not only look at the per minute but also the sum total.
Old 5 days ago
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The other thing is comparing the AMOUNT of plays.
Thanks for the advice guys! This really helps
Old 5 days ago
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At least you're getting paid. Every PRS (UK) member (including me) I know is seeing a payout of £0 indicated today. The PRS is the monumentally incompetent PRO in existence.
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At least you're getting paid. Every PRS (UK) member (including me) I know is seeing a payout of £0 indicated today. The PRS is the monumentally incompetent PRO in existence.
Wait, what? They aren’t paying any royalties to anyone today? OMG, that is crazy! Might be time for you to switch to a US PRO.
Old 5 days ago
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The figures have now reverted to the correct amount.

It is one thing after another with the PRS. A lot of composers/songwriters are very unhappy with the organisation at the moment. It's no wonder that they're currently being sued by three of the biggest ever UK acts...
Old 5 days ago
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Wait, what? They aren’t paying any royalties to anyone today? OMG, that is crazy! Might be time for you to switch to a US PRO.
The PRS would still handle UK royalties if I did that and then hand them over to the US PRO.
Old 5 days ago
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The PRS would still handle UK royalties if I did that and then hand them over to the US PRO.
Which would, no doubt, make things worse.
Old 2 days ago
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i was thinking of resigning from ASCAP as they are not paying me for so many placements due to their ridiculous survey system. anyone else experience this and if so did you switch and get a better experience with BMI pay outs?
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