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Apogee: the new Ensemble Thunderbolt
Old 7th October 2014
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And just as I was getting ready to consider the MOTU 1248...
Old 7th October 2014
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It says 16 analog outs......where? I see an 8 channel d-sub and then nothing...?
Old 7th October 2014
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It says 16 analog outs......where? I see an 8 channel d-sub and then nothing...?
2 1/4" balanced monitor outputs
8 balanced outputs on 1 DSUB 25-pin connector
2 independent 1/4" stereo headphone outputs
2 1/4" dual-mode guitar/instrument outputs

edit: I'm still only adding up to 14...
Old 7th October 2014
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2 1/4" balanced monitor outputs
8 balanced outputs on 1 DSUB 25-pin connector
2 independent 1/4" stereo headphone outputs
2 1/4" dual-mode guitar/instrument outputs

edit: I'm still only adding up to 14...
.....indeed. And most of those are not too useful to me. My attention stays with the 16A.
Old 7th October 2014
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Paging Dr. NMS, you're needed in surgery...
Old 7th October 2014
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2 1/4" balanced monitor outputs
8 balanced outputs on 1 DSUB 25-pin connector
2 independent 1/4" stereo headphone outputs
2 1/4" dual-mode guitar/instrument outputs

edit: I'm still only adding up to 14...
I guess they're counting each stereo channel of the HP outputs, making 16.
Old 7th October 2014
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Now if they'd only let us Ensemble FW owners "trade up" for $500. My new iMac has TB, but I'll have to use a TB-to-FW converter, than a FW800-to-FW400 cable. Seems a shame.
Old 7th October 2014
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If I remember correctly, I think they had a trade in for original Duet owners to Duet 2 when it came out. Maybe they'll do something similar.
Old 7th October 2014
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Looks like the best I'll be able to afford is a BLA mod for my Ensemble FW. Thunderbolt will only work on thunderbolt capable macs. TB to FW adapter only works when going the other way... i.e. FW device > TB port. Can't use TB device to converter to FW port. It's a shame because this thing looks awesome.
Old 7th October 2014
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Pretty impressive. Don (or some other Apogee dude), where does it stand sonically between the Duet/Quartet and Symphony? The web copy tells of much improved A/D, but I'm especially interested in the D/A part, it basically specs like the Duet and Quartet. Is it the same?
Old 7th October 2014
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Guys go here full thread on it all kinds of questions answered by Don
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/137t...rface-mac.html
Old 8th October 2014
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If I remember correctly, I think they had a trade in for original Duet owners to Duet 2 when it came out. Maybe they'll do something similar.
Nope
Old 8th October 2014
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Now if they'd only let us Ensemble FW owners "trade up" for $500. My new iMac has TB, but I'll have to use a TB-to-FW converter, than a FW800-to-FW400 cable. Seems a shame.
just sell your ensemble to me for that price
Old 8th October 2014
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just sell your ensemble to me for that price
$2,000? Sure! If you'll notice, I said maybe they'd let us trade up for $500. If the TB Ensemble is going for $2500, that means they would give us $2000 credit for the FW model. Let me know if you're still interested
Old 8th October 2014
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Original Ensembles are running around $800-1000 these days
Old 8th October 2014
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$2,000? Sure! If you'll notice, I said maybe they'd let us trade up for $500. If the TB Ensemble is going for $2500, that means they would give us $2000 credit for the FW model. Let me know if you're still interested
in that case you would be delusional
Old 8th October 2014
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Original Ensembles are running around $800-1000 these days
Pretty good value, considering they have finally written a Mavericks driver, so the things are useable again.....
Old 9th October 2014
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in that case you would be delusional
Says the guy who thought I'd sell for $500 - yeah, right!
Old 9th October 2014
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Is it better than my setup ?? Apogee Thunderbridge Thunderbolt with an Apogee Symphony ??
Old 9th October 2014
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Says the guy who thought I'd sell for $500 - yeah, right!
go to ebay..they sell for as low as $600. and thats before the ensemble 2 was announced
Old 9th October 2014
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Says the guy who thought I'd sell for $500 - yeah, right!
No delusional is thinking you'll get full price (trade or sell) for an audio interface that's over 7 years old LOL Those things sell easily between $5-800 and rightfully so... they're old interfaces.
Old 9th October 2014
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No delusional is thinking you'll get full price (trade or sell) for an audio interface that's over 7 years old LOL Those things sell easily between $5-800 and rightfully so... they're old interfaces.
Ya, I mean I would love Apogee say to me trade in your Quartet Dave we will give 1k towards an Ensemble. fat chance of that happening. Anyone interested in picking up a Quartet?
Old 9th October 2014
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Ya, the new ensemble is looking really good at this point. It's def at the top top end of my budget though... might have to settle for the Quartet. Either way both are phenomenal interfaces. @Dpro btw thanks for all your contributions in the Quartet threads.
Old 10th October 2014
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No delusional is thinking you'll get full price (trade or sell) for an audio interface that's over 7 years old LOL Those things sell easily between $5-800 and rightfully so... they're old interfaces.
Looking at the ebay ads below this thread show prices between $775 - $1100. Congrats if you can get one for much less than that.

And while I wasn't serious when I said that I was hoping that Apogee would allow trade-ups for $500, it still would be nice if they did offer a trade-up program for the Ensemble. At $2500, it is right up there with the UAD Apollo Quad, which has all those great plug-ins as well.
Old 11th October 2014
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Looking at the ebay ads below this thread show prices between $775 - $1100. Congrats if you can get one for much less than that.

And while I wasn't serious when I said that I was hoping that Apogee would allow trade-ups for $500, it still would be nice if they did offer a trade-up program for the Ensemble. At $2500, it is right up there with the UAD Apollo Quad, which has all those great plug-ins as well.
here bud..sorry it devaluated that much..$630 is the lowest ...and don't make me go to craigslist lol
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Old 11th October 2014
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Looking at the ebay ads below this thread show prices between $775 - $1100. Congrats if you can get one for much less than that.

And while I wasn't serious when I said that I was hoping that Apogee would allow trade-ups for $500, it still would be nice if they did offer a trade-up program for the Ensemble. At $2500, it is right up there with the UAD Apollo Quad, which has all those great plug-ins as well.
Ya I agree, it would be nice if they did do a trade up for it, however, it really doesn't surprise me at all that they're not given the time between the release of the original Ensemble and now the new Ensemble thunderbolt. Good to hear you were joking lol. $2500 is def up there in price though, and def at the tip top of my budget. UA Apollo looks nice but just means I'm gonna spend even more for a lot of plug-in emulations that I already have (even though they do sound phenomenal). The only thing that kinda bothers me about the new Ensemble thunderbolt is the way Apogee handled support and drivers with the original Ensemble. It's not uncommon for me (or most people I think) to have an audio interface for over 5 years. And I would expect a manufacturer to provide drivers and support for the life of the product (within reason) and not treat it like an after thought or bastard child.
Old 11th October 2014
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$2500 is def up there in price though, and def at the tip top of my budget. UA Apollo looks nice but just means I'm gonna spend even more for a lot of plug-in emulations that I already have
So go Motu AVB series. Cleaner conversion than Apollo & Ensemble (DC coupled like the Symphony, better converter chips) and you can stick to processing in your daw.

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The only thing that kinda bothers me about the new Ensemble thunderbolt is the way Apogee handled support and drivers with the original Ensemble. I would expect a manufacturer to provide drivers and support for the life of the product (within reason) and not treat it like an after thought or bastard child.
They just released another driver update. Support hasn't ended at all.
Old 12th October 2014
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So go Motu AVB series. Cleaner conversion than Apollo & Ensemble (DC coupled like the Symphony, better converter chips) and you can stick to processing in your daw.

They just released another driver update. Support hasn't ended at all.
Just curious, have you heard the Motu AVB stuff yet?
Old 12th October 2014
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Just curious, have you heard the Motu AVB stuff yet?
I haven't had one in my studio yet to actually listen to. My recommendation comes purely from what I know of its build and having analyzed audio test files passed through the converters. I'm looking forward to digging into it more when I have time, but what I've seen so far tells me it's at least the next cleanest thing to a Symphony. They really set out to raise the bar this time. Very good to see.
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