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MOTU 1248, 8M, 16A Thunderbolt interface
Old 17th April 2019
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Just wanted to built a new PC with a Gigabyte Designare motherboard and it seems that the Gigabyte TB 3 port (Titan Ridge) on this motherboard does not support the actual MOTU TB1 interfaces.
Is that true? Because I have an 8M and I was thinking of doing the exact same movement of buying the Designare and a TB 3 to 2 adapter. Anyone knows if this could work, please?
Old 17th April 2019
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They better improve their drivers indeed – their last updates are from fall 2018.
Time since last update is not a good metric to determine driver quality.

I have used MOTU products since around 2003, and their drivers have always been rock-solid. In the over 15 years that have followed, I have never needed to update or reinstall a MOTU driver (except when updating an operating system).

(I do not yet have any current MOTU products, I'm just saying that a long time since last update isn't a good argument that drivers need updating)
Old 17th April 2019
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I have used MOTU products since around 2003, and their drivers have always been rock-solid. In the over 15 years that have followed, I have never needed to update or reinstall a MOTU driver (except when updating an operating system).

(I do not yet have any current MOTU products, I'm just saying that a long time since last update isn't a good argument that drivers need updating)
For you maybe it isn't. For me it shows this isn't their priority now.

I do have a current product (828es) and sometimes experience glitches related to changing clock frequency and also some minor issues with the browser/mixer. I wish they had indeed updated their drivers for 828es so as to mitigate those issues. (I did report both to MOTU technical support in 2018)

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Old 19th April 2019
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Hi, I searched this thread for mac os 10.14.4 but not results.
I used to run my 1248 and 16A on my old mac pro 2008. This mac pro may need to be retired (will try to revive it but that's for later).

Anyway I need to setup my Motu AVB interfaces 1248 and 16A with my Mac Book Pro Late 2013 running Mojave 10.14.4

Any known issues with Mac OS 10.14.4? I know AVB was not recommended with 10.12 and 10.13.

Thank you!
Old 22nd April 2019
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Been using Motu AVB Monitor 8 since around 2013 I think and there are still plenty of wee things that niggle / rankle with me in the AVB Apps - especially the main web app. The interface is in the main pretty damn solid and sounds good but the software is a mixed bag and could be so much more than it is today:-

1. Mix tab presets are next to useless as you can't rename mix channels without messing up your routing names. E.g. I have pretty much fixed routing in the routing tab that never changes (in terms of sources and outputs), but i'd really like to be able to names mix channels differently in different presets and show or hide them in that preset. Nope can't do this!

2. Most recent firmware basically completely changed the AUX mix to a touch implementation losing a lot of functionality from the old tab - response from Motu was downgrade firmware to get the old functionality back. My take from this is if I want the Aux mixer from 1.32 then I have to stay on that firmware forever more...

3. Periodic issues with distortion on recording - highly intermittent and seems to be a driver/Windows 10/clocking related issue. Touch wood i have not had it happen for a while, meaning that Windows 10 updates have addressed the issue, but response from Motu on the issue did not give much confidence. The most annoying thing about it was the distortion would only manifest on what was actually recorded not what was monitored, meaning it was easy to miss when tracking unless you dilligently did some test recordings...

4. Volume bump/hiccup on boot means you need to remember to keep your monitors and sub off whilst power-cycling and is easy to forget and it's not a small volume bump...

5. This is admittedly minor but it's surely an easy one to fix - the interface ships with a bunch of device presets to get you started - and you can delete them from the app, which is great... until you power-cycle and they magically reappear! I like to use the front dial to pick one of 3 device presets I created, but after every reboot all the stock crap reappears and I have to scroll paste them all...

Just a wee vent, seriously looking at the Cranborne R8 as main interface to replace the Monitor 8...
Old 29th April 2019
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Hi,

I'm considering a BSS BLU-805 sound processor which is avb enabled. Has anyone already tried to connect it to a motu avb soundcard (1248 in my case) through AVB ?
I'd like to be sure it will work before the purchase.
Old 1st May 2019
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Hello, left this on the 828 es thread a couple weeks ago but its been a bit quiet. Figure I'd post here too. Thanks in advance:

Hello all, just wanted to ask a few questions:

• Can use the 2 mic in's + 8 trs at the same time? Pretty sure you can but wanted to double check.

• And if your using the sends on the mic in's, you have to route the return to either another input, or another input on a connected interface?

• Does the original mic inputed get multed at all? So, curious if you can record the mic inputs to their respective converters and also take the 2 sends to also record through some processing?

• Are you finding AVB to be a better (faster/solid) connection than adat or spdif?

• And also curious if anyone has compared the conversion the Apollo X line...

• Any issue with using IO for hybrid mixing (ie: different volume levels etc)
Old 1st May 2019
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Hello, left this on the 828 es thread a couple weeks ago but its been a bit quiet. Figure I'd post here too. Thanks in advance:

Hello all, just wanted to ask a few questions:

• Can use the 2 mic in's + 8 trs at the same time? Pretty sure you can but wanted to double check.
Absolutely. There are ten entirely independent analog inputs that can be used simultaneously without limitation ... plus all the digital inputs via coaxial, optical, and AVB. There’s also the Talk mic on the unit itself but I don’t think anyone would try to use it for serious recording purposes - just for communicating via the monitoring system.

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• And if your using the sends on the mic in's, you have to route the return to either another input, or another input on a connected interface?
That’s correct. Chances are you can access the pre-send signal for that input, but to get the return signal you need to dedicate another input.

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• Does the original mic inputed get multed at all? So, curious if you can record the mic inputs to their respective converters and also take the 2 sends to also record through some processing?
I believe so, as suggested above, but I haven’t confirmed experimentally. Perhaps another owner can weigh in?

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• Are you finding AVB to be a better (faster/solid) connection than adat or spdif?
It’s definitely lower latency and much more flexible, but I can’t speak to reliability under heavy use. I see the array of digital connection types as valuable for compatibility and use each for a different purpose. I’ve also been pleasantly surprised by how resilient the unit is against clocking issues.

One of the utterly frivolous uses for mine is practicing drums with a MIDI kit, a PS4, and Rock Band. I use the optical output from the PS4 and used to carefully switch clocking to the SPDIF input signal until I forgot one day and never noticed. No dropouts, no clicks. I haven’t bothered switching from internal clocking since and I’ve had zero issues. So long as the unit is set to a 1x clock, either 44.1 or 48kHz, it seems to lock and re-clock the signal automatically. Much to my surprise since that’s not an advertised feature.

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• And also curious if anyone has compared the conversion the Apollo X line...
I haven’t. I’m absolutely thrilled with the conversion quality but I haven’t compared it to any higher price point options.

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• Any issue with using IO for hybrid mixing (ie: different volume levels etc)
Can you clarify what you’re thinking about here?
Old 3rd May 2019
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Hey! Thanks so much for your reply, I appreciate it...

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Absolutely. There are ten entirely independent analog inputs that can be used simultaneously without limitation ... plus all the digital inputs via coaxial, optical, and AVB. There’s also the Talk mic on the unit itself but I don’t think anyone would try to use it for serious recording purposes - just for communicating via the monitoring system.
Awesome...


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That’s correct. Chances are you can access the pre-send signal for that input, but to get the return signal you need to dedicate another input.
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I believe so, as suggested above, but I haven’t confirmed experimentally. Perhaps another owner can weigh in?
Cool I'll double check with Motu.


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It’s definitely lower latency and much more flexible, but I can’t speak to reliability under heavy use. I see the array of digital connection types as valuable for compatibility and use each for a different purpose. I’ve also been pleasantly surprised by how resilient the unit is against clocking issues.

One of the utterly frivolous uses for mine is practicing drums with a MIDI kit, a PS4, and Rock Band. I use the optical output from the PS4 and used to carefully switch clocking to the SPDIF input signal until I forgot one day and never noticed. No dropouts, no clicks. I haven’t bothered switching from internal clocking since and I’ve had zero issues. So long as the unit is set to a 1x clock, either 44.1 or 48kHz, it seems to lock and re-clock the signal automatically. Much to my surprise since that’s not an advertised feature.

I haven’t. I’m absolutely thrilled with the conversion quality but I haven’t compared it to any higher price point options.
Thats cool, I've used ADAT interfaces a few times in the past but really prefer interfaces that can be daisy chained via TB. I figured if the AVB bridge felt close enough that would be fine.

I like the IO on some of the upper tier pieces but really like the look of the 828es better. Seems more thought through. I had a 1248 briefly a while back but didn't get with the unit too much nor the software.

I know the software hasn't changed but I'm down with giving it a bit more time. the 828es with a 8a or 624 (for mobile and studio) would be ideal for me...



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Can you clarify what you’re thinking about here?
Just hybrid mixing, so using outboard compressors, eq's etc while mixing, so would have that all wired up from the 828 outs -> patch bay -> gear.

Some interfaces have weird stuff that makes this process a bit tricky or clunky.
Old 3rd May 2019
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Hey! Thanks so much for your reply, I appreciate it...
Im happy to answer what I can when I have a spare moment to do so.

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Thats cool, I've used ADAT interfaces a few times in the past but really prefer interfaces that can be daisy chained via TB. I figured if the AVB bridge felt close enough that would be fine.
I actually feel that it’s an advantage over simply daisy-chaining devices, because you’re routing the extra audio channels through the same mixer. So you can put inputs spanning two or more devices on one bus and route it through internal or external effects as one sub-mix without the latency overhead of going through your DAW.

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I like the IO on some of the upper tier pieces but really like the look of the 828es better. Seems more thought through. I had a 1248 briefly a while back but didn't get with the unit too much nor the software.
There are some really nice touches in the physical design, from the larger volume knob and talkback integration to the color displays. At heart, though, it’s substantially the same design with the same software. It took some devoted time to wrap my head around the routing grid but now that I get it I really appreciate how powerful and flexible it is. Click on my user name next to this post and choose to see my past posts in this thread for how I started to think about the routing when it “clicked” for me.

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Just hybrid mixing, so using outboard compressors, eq's etc while mixing, so would have that all wired up from the 828 outs -> patch bay -> gear.
Works like a charm. You can route any of the three stereo group busses or seven stereo aux busses to any output as a send, and mix the return from any of the available inputs. Sends can be easily mixed down to mono outputs if desired. I use a few hardware effects units in this fashion with analog I/O, and route guitar and bass from the pre-amped inputs through my Helix Floor via digital I/O. It all works exactly as I would hope.
Old 3rd May 2019
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@gaia agreed on lots of points. 828es works well for me. Since I am a programmer, there are certain modes of thinking and metaphors I can apply once I get an understanding. The regrettable nomenclature of the inputs and outputs on the routing matrix confused me--I don't recall the exact issue now. Once I was given the guidance to mentally rename them as sources and destinations, and the idea that the matrix was in fact a patch bay, I was able to get a sufficient understanding.
Old 25th May 2019
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OK, finally tried messing around with the talkback function, and not getting anywhere. I don't find a manual that talks about it or a tutorial that addresses it. Is it NOT available for use with the 16A or Monitor 8 with an external mic feed to an AVB channel? It looks like it's available, but I get no sound out the selected talkback output auxes when talkback source is selected on an active input.

------EDIT--------

The 'Legend' tab is what I was missing, I guess that's a newer set of controls and they were hidden in my config.

Last edited by emrr; 2nd June 2019 at 09:46 PM..
Old 11th June 2019
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I realize this is focused on Thunderbolt but I have a problem with driver connection on my Ultralite AVB by USB. I posted here because this seems to be the most active thread. If you can spare a minute please look here to see if you have any thoughts/solutions.
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Old 1 week ago
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I have read all 130+ pages of this thread since considering and then after purchasing a 16a a few weeks ago and in doing so various new configuration ideas have occurred to me but now I can’t remember if they were covered in this discussion already!

My current setup is using the 16a as an optical expander for an Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt, just to get outboard in and out of my main recording setup. Now I’m wondering what if I had another rack of outboard with a second 16a connected to this one with an ethernet cable, avoiding a mess of costly audio cables. But I’m pretty sure in my current setup (with the 16a passing through the Ensemble via optical) that I couldn’t get any more channels past the optical 8a+8b (in 44.1k) bottleneck? I’d have to make the first 16a the first device in the chain via thunderbolt instead, right? If I kept it going through optical would I still at least be able to choose (via the routing matrix) which 16 channels of both MOTU units cabled together crosses through the optical to Ensemble?
Old 1 week ago
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I have read all 130+ pages of this thread since considering and then after purchasing a 16a a few weeks ago and in doing so various new configuration ideas have occurred to me but now I can’t remember if they were covered in this discussion already!

My current setup is using the 16a as an optical expander for an Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt, just to get outboard in and out of my main recording setup. Now I’m wondering what if I had another rack of outboard with a second 16a connected to this one with an ethernet cable, avoiding a mess of costly audio cables. But I’m pretty sure in my current setup (with the 16a passing through the Ensemble via optical) that I couldn’t get any more channels past the optical 8a+8b (in 44.1k) bottleneck? I’d have to make the first 16a the first device in the chain via thunderbolt instead, right? If I kept it going through optical would I still at least be able to choose (via the routing matrix) which 16 channels of both MOTU units cabled together crosses through the optical to Ensemble?
Zasterz,

That is exactly right. You'll be limited to the amount of optical banks on the Ensemble. You can still have some flexibility in the routing matrix as to which channels go to which 16A, but you can't exceed 16 channels of I/O in total. Connecting one of the 16As with Thunderbolt will expand your channel count immensely (up to 128 I/O to and from the computer).
Old 1 week ago
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Great to see you back, Travis!

Thought we'd lost you a long time ago, mate.
Old 1 week ago
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I have read all 130+ pages of this thread since considering and then after purchasing a 16a a few weeks ago and in doing so various new configuration ideas have occurred to me but now I can’t remember if they were covered in this discussion already!

My current setup is using the 16a as an optical expander for an Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt, just to get outboard in and out of my main recording setup. Now I’m wondering what if I had another rack of outboard with a second 16a connected to this one with an ethernet cable, avoiding a mess of costly audio cables. But I’m pretty sure in my current setup (with the 16a passing through the Ensemble via optical) that I couldn’t get any more channels past the optical 8a+8b (in 44.1k) bottleneck? I’d have to make the first 16a the first device in the chain via thunderbolt instead, right? If I kept it going through optical would I still at least be able to choose (via the routing matrix) which 16 channels of both MOTU units cabled together crosses through the optical to Ensemble?

hey, nice to see u have an apogee interface and even so decided to buy a 16a. I did test the apogee ensemble and symphony. while the apogee sounded more musical (by a little bit), the cost is prohibitive for me in my country.

what are ur thoughts comparing the motu vs apogee? the preamps and conversion if possible.

imo, while there is a difference, I think it's better spent in other parts of the chain. thanks!
Old 1 week ago
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hey, nice to see u have an apogee interface and even so decided to buy a 16a. I did test the apogee ensemble and symphony. while the apogee sounded more musical (by a little bit), the cost is prohibitive for me in my country.

what are ur thoughts comparing the motu vs apogee? the preamps and conversion if possible.

imo, while there is a difference, I think it's better spent in other parts of the chain. thanks!
I got the 16a for my outboard as no other unit around seemed to have as many ins and outs to hook everything up and leave it. I haven’t had much time to compare the two units’ conversion quality on the same source, but I’ve put some things that I’ve been used to running through the Apogee (Lexicon 224, for example) through the 16a instead and noticed no difference from what I’m used to hearing. When time permits I will run more detailed tests.

What the Ensemble has going for it which I’m not ready to do without as a front end is very clean and effortless integration with the Mac OS and Logic. I can control its input trims, mic/line switches, phantom, polarity, and switch on direct monitoring per track from each Logic channel strip without ever launching the Apogee app. I rely on this feature a lot while tracking and wouldn’t want to be without. By running the 16a in via ADAT I can also access these same “Direct Monitor” switches on the 16a’s channels. Also the Ensemble has preamps I use (but don’t love!) and two really cool guitar-re-amping channels. And I much prefer the color-display and metering and general build-quality (although presumably I’d still be able to take advantage of these features with the Ensemble second to the 16a in the chain.)

Since the Ensemble has an extra thunderbolt port, I also have the 16a linked to the computer that way. I could maybe envision a scenario where I track with my current configuration, using the Ensemble as first interface, then simply load another template for mixing which places the 16a first so I can access other units for more channels. I wouldn’t need to wire anything differently, simply choose which thunderbolt interface to use. I’m kind of just imagining how things might be in the future if I want to expand...
Old 1 week ago
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what are ur thoughts comparing the motu vs apogee? the preamps and conversion if possible.
I can’t compare the MOTU preamps cause the 16a doesn’t have any but let me elaborate that the Ensemble preamps are very “transparent” as they call it. I had tracked some electric guitars through the much cheaper Audient id14 and I couldn’t come close to the Audient’s pleasing sound with the Ensemble and I realized that this type of “clean” for some things is a serious mood-killer. (Maybe for most things?) I’ve come to realize I could probably always find a preamp I prefer for any source over those. Maybe not a violin or something where I wanted zero coloration, I don’t know.
Old 1 week ago
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I got the 16a for my outboard as no other unit around seemed to have as many ins and outs to hook everything up and leave it. I haven’t had much time to compare the two units’ conversion quality on the same source, but I’ve put some things that I’ve been used to running through the Apogee (Lexicon 224, for example) through the 16a instead and noticed no difference from what I’m used to hearing. When time permits I will run more detailed tests.

What the Ensemble has going for it which I’m not ready to do without as a front end is very clean and effortless integration with the Mac OS and Logic. I can control its input trims, mic/line switches, phantom, polarity, and switch on direct monitoring per track from each Logic channel strip without ever launching the Apogee app. I rely on this feature a lot while tracking and wouldn’t want to be without. By running the 16a in via ADAT I can also access these same “Direct Monitor” switches on the 16a’s channels. Also the Ensemble has preamps I use (but don’t love!) and two really cool guitar-re-amping channels. And I much prefer the color-display and metering and general build-quality (although presumably I’d still be able to take advantage of these features with the Ensemble second to the 16a in the chain.)

Since the Ensemble has an extra thunderbolt port, I also have the 16a linked to the computer that way. I could maybe envision a scenario where I track with my current configuration, using the Ensemble as first interface, then simply load another template for mixing which places the 16a first so I can access other units for more channels. I wouldn’t need to wire anything differently, simply choose which thunderbolt interface to use. I’m kind of just imagining how things might be in the future if I want to expand...
nice point on the direct monitor and logic integration (I'm also a logic user). u can do the same but it's a bit of a hassle with motu as it's on a separate web browser.

also watch out when u turn the motu unit on / off. there's a big noise when they turn on or off, which is really a bummer.

it's interesting to note that so many people chose motu because of the amount of io. in the latency thread there was just another user that pmed me about Motu's latency figures because he needed to expand io.

MOTU, please release a 32 in/out analog unit. I think there's a big demand for u there. presonus doesn't sound as good, and I can't trust antelope to buy their unit.
Old 1 week ago
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Zasterz,

That is exactly right. You'll be limited to the amount of optical banks on the Ensemble. You can still have some flexibility in the routing matrix as to which channels go to which 16A, but you can't exceed 16 channels of I/O in total. Connecting one of the 16As with Thunderbolt will expand your channel count immensely (up to 128 I/O to and from the computer).
If I do create a configuration with the 16a first— both it and the Ensemble are already connected to the computer via thunderbolt as well as to each other optically and I’m able to choose either for computer audio in audio/midi setup— would I still be able to keep the Ensemble’s outputs 1&2 (which would then be coming via adat) as my main monitor mix and use the computer volume keys to control them? Am I able to route that functionality to any of the channels via audio or optical or will it only accept channels 1&2 on the 16a?
Old 1 week ago
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I realize this is focused on Thunderbolt but I have a problem with driver connection on my Ultralite AVB by USB. I posted here because this seems to be the most active thread. If you can spare a minute please look here to see if you have any thoughts/solutions.
MOTU Windows 10 stability
Are you running the latest firmware and driver?

https://motu.com/proaudio/index.html...onal-resources

As a start double check your Power Settings in Windows to make sure it's set for "Ultimate Performance".
Then check all of your USB Root Hubs - Power Management and make sure the box "Allow The Computer to Turn Off This Device To Save Power" is UNCHECKED.
This is under Device Manager ->> USB

You might have had this set properly in the past but it's been my experience that major Windows updates can reset these settings back to default.

You can try a different USB port, preferably on a different controller chip (see your motherboard manual to determine which port is on which chip).

Also try another USB cable.
Old 4 days ago
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I can get a thunderboltex 3 card from asus for my new mobo a asus prime 390a. The card exposes tbolt with a usb c connector and the motu units appear to expose tbolt with a mini display adapter. Does anyone know if this will work. I found a cable that will connect these two, but it is described as unidirectional with the computer outputting data to a passive device like a monitor--so does not sound like it will work.

Has anyone gotten motu tbolt to a pc, with usb C connector, on the pc working?
Old 4 days ago
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I can get a thunderboltex 3 card from asus for my new mobo a asus prime 390a. The card exposes tbolt with a usb c connector and the motu units appear to expose tbolt with a mini display adapter. Does anyone know if this will work. I found a cable that will connect these two, but it is described as unidirectional with the computer outputting data to a passive device like a monitor--so does not sound like it will work.

Has anyone gotten motu tbolt to a pc, with usb C connector, on the pc working?
ponzi,

This can be done, but likely not with the cable you found. I've tested a variety of adapters that work well for this. The Apple Type C (Thunderbolt 3) to Thundebolt 2 adapter should work. As should the Startech Thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter.
Old 4 days ago
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ponzi,

This can be done, but likely not with the cable you found. I've tested a variety of adapters that work well for this. The Apple Type C (Thunderbolt 3) to Thundebolt 2 adapter should work. As should the Startech Thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter.
Nice to see you again Travisvictor!
Steve
Old 4 days ago
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ponzi,

This can be done, but likely not with the cable you found. I've tested a variety of adapters that work well for this. The Apple Type C (Thunderbolt 3) to Thundebolt 2 adapter should work. As should the Startech Thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter.
Thanks for the advice! Glad I checked first--one adapter is $75 and the other $50 plus the cost of the header card--maybe $60--and I would need to buy a cord in addition to the adapter. Since my 828es is working quite well with usb, I will wait until I have a more compelling need for thunderbolt.
Old 4 days ago
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I would also would like to know from people who went from usb to TB in windows, if it means better performance with lower latencies with virtual instruments, etc.

Does it justify the expenses of the adaptor and cables and card or the gains are too small?

Please share your Tb experience after working with USB
Old 4 days ago
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Please share your Tb experience after working with USB
I have 828ES and have used both USB and TB in Windows. First I had USB and then tried TB for a while. Now I am back again in USB. My experience was that TB was totally unreliable. The connection to 828ES could be lost at any time and the latency was not really better, because it was unreliable. Setting up TB was a strange voodoo act, including exactly correct BIOS settings, power on ordering and manual device finding. USB is now reliable with 64/64 buffer. TB was not reliable with any buffer setting.

I have a Gigabyte Z390 with Alpine Ridge card. I also got Asus ThunderboltEX working with a self-made sync cable, but its power-on behavior was even stranger.
Old 3 days ago
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I have 828ES and have used both USB and TB in Windows. First I had USB and then tried TB for a while. Now I am back again in USB. My experience was that TB was totally unreliable. The connection to 828ES could be lost at any time and the latency was not really better, because it was unreliable. Setting up TB was a strange voodoo act, including exactly correct BIOS settings, power on ordering and manual device finding. USB is now reliable with 64/64 buffer. TB was not reliable with any buffer setting.

I have a Gigabyte Z390 with Alpine Ridge card. I also got Asus ThunderboltEX working with a self-made sync cable, but its power-on behavior was even stranger.
Those are not good news...I was planing to buy an Alpine Ridge card for my z390.

anyone else with the same configuration with a success story?
Old 3 days ago
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Those are not good news...I was planing to buy an Alpine Ridge card for my z390.

anyone else with the same configuration with a success story?
@ smoltron makes me feel better about my decision--I could follow an expensive path to a sub-optimal outcome. Not an apple fan, but they have had thunderbolt right for many years, and pc is still a dog's breakfast.

From what I can see, that card has the usb C connectors so in a similar fashion needs an expensive adapter to plug into motu device.

Too late for my device, but I strongly suggest motu starts putting usb C sockets on its devices so that pc users can enjoy thunderbolt. Why the add on card markers for pc choose to not expose a mini-display port is a mystery to me, but after all these years, I do not see thunderbolt on pc as being ready for prime time.

I guess its a small market as the gig and asus cards appear to do the same thing, maybe using the same integrated circuit chip to base their products on.
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