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Best amp simulation software? Amp Sim & Guitar Effects Plugins
Old 27th May 2014
  #31
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Not mention yet, but Peavey Revalver sounds and feels absolutely convincing, especially if your after metal tones. Kuassa, Scuffam, the freebies...once you have those your set really.
Old 27th May 2014
  #32
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Update: You need AAX support? Why limit yourself, get Bluecat Audio Patchwork to host VST's, there are a gazillion amp-sim freebies you will miss out on.
Old 27th May 2014
  #33
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Amplitube is pretty good. The Orange sims are fantastic. Kuassa is good too
Old 23rd August 2014
  #34
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Kuassa amps are to die for
Old 11th October 2014
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Old 26th October 2014
  #36
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Of course BIAS is better than anything mentioned here.
Old 2nd January 2015
  #37
pjk
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I have Tried amplitube and kuassa cream but ended up with Scuffham s-gear. I didn't like Kuassa cream but i will give the demo another chance. Amplitube has some nice sounds but they can all sound a little too similar and not as realistic as some others. S-gear is really good and getting better with each update, so that does pretty much everything except jcm 800 tones for me ( the stealer is brilliant at plexi tones though ). For Heavier tones i like LePou Hybrit, but the LeXTC is really nice for clean/breakup. I am sure the TSE is great too ( their free pedals are great ) and Ignite Amps have a nice range of well respected plugins which do heavy but i haven't managed to try them enough yet.

You gotta love some amp sims nowadays. S-gear's wayfarer is the most versatile soft amp i've tried yet, it is brilliant and means i don't even have to change amps for a lot of tones.
Old 27th January 2015
  #38
pjk
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Have tried Ignite Amps set of amps and plugins extensively now and they are absolutely brilliant.....all of them to me. I am blown away by how good they are and the attention to detail and full manuals !

They deserve some sort of medal for making these for free. They have really nice cleans but seem to specialise in high gain monsters - something S-gear doesn't do that much of so between these and S-gear i can pretty much get any tones i want and combining Ignite amps NRR-1 ( soldano inspired ) with S-gears the Jackal ( soldano ) sounds like a truly amazing wall of power.

Good times to do it all with amp sims.
Old 27th January 2015
  #39
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Scuffham. Sweet, pure, authentic cranked non-master volume amp tones. No digital fizz on the top. Best IR implementation IMO so most authentic cab sims.

S-Gear has a soft, feathery top end just like real Marshalls and Fenders from the 60s and 70s without much over 5Khz which is why it sounds especially nice with single-coils. Bias has a crisper top end that some players that grew up on high gain guitar tones from the 90s on might prefer. I like Bias but didn't buy it because the IR block isn't there yet. With the IRs in S-Gear I can almost smell the 40 year old paper in the speaker cones and the 40 year old plywood in the cabinet made in Bletchley back in '74 as focus on pleasurable music sounds kicks in the synesthesia.
Old 27th January 2015
  #40
pjk
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Originally Posted by tomaburque View Post
Scuffham. Sweet, pure, authentic cranked non-master volume amp tones. No digital fizz on the top. Best IR implementation IMO so most authentic cab sims.

S-Gear has a soft, feathery top end just like real Marshalls and Fenders from the 60s and 70s without much over 5Khz which is why it sounds especially nice with single-coils. I like Bias but didn't buy it because the IR block isn't there yet. With the IRs in S-Gear I can almost smell the 40 year old paper in the speaker cones and the 40 year old plywood in the cabinet made in Bletchley back in '74 as focus on pleasurable music sounds kicks in the synesthesia.

Quality man ! You have a way with words there.

Yes the bass and impedance dials on the proconvolver allow for more bass and shape options. I am still pretty new to these amp sims after years of mic'ing real cabs but they seem to have a slight lack of fundamental low frequencies to me, even with optimal settings, gain staging and virtual close mic'ing, so I see these features as essential to getting the full frequency response like from a real cab, especially for use in rock music. My only wish for s-gear is that it could be coaxed into more cab resonance and depth but I have had some success with Ignite amps TPA-1 power amp after s-gear with careful setting up of the power and amp section in s-gear and TPA-1 using the kT88 tubes, although sometimes (especially with clean sounds) I have to put it on a separate channel and hi shelf it in order to preserve the rest of the sweet frequency response from s-gear just to get the low end depth and thump that I recall from close mic'ing cabs with ribbons.

I have an 80's .50 caliber plus boogie that has a wonderfully crunchy sound but unfortunately they built in a hi pass or roll off into the lead channel which ruined it for rhythm so imagine my joy when I was able to match it with the wayfarer with the bass switch engaged and then switch off that switch and hear the sound I always wanted to get from my boogie ! Bliss....

I've actually been a bit disappointed with my single coil USA tele with amp sims so far, although the set of new strings I have on them are not good so that could account for it to some extent, but with a bit more EQ, compression, saturation and the TPA-1 I can get a reasonable approximation of the full clean extended bass response of a fender twin from s-gear although ignite amps anvil clean with bright switched on and TPA-1 is usually the lower level second channel chain I was referring to but then there is also a bit of work needed with phase alignment.


Cheers

Last edited by pjk; 27th January 2015 at 04:05 PM..
Old 27th January 2015
  #41
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Went ahead and bought a fractal axe fx to compare to my analog rig and the plugins. So far I am getting amazing results with the axe. Going to spend some time today seeing how close I can get with Bias and S-Gear, as the axe is much more expensive and Id love to return it ...however since using the axe for the past few days,it's the first time I've even considered the idea of actually converting over to a modeling rig from my analog rig.

One thing I have to say is that the speaker cabinet simulation is the thing that's making the biggest difference in my tone. The ultra res IRs from Ownhammer sound amazing in the axe.
Old 27th January 2015
  #42
pjk
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Interesting.

Report your findings here if you don't mind please.

I've heard a few people mention these ownhammer IR's. I am going to have to check them out now.

thanks
Old 27th January 2015
  #43
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Speaking of S-Gear, V2.5 has just been released!!!
Old 27th January 2015
  #44
pjk
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Brilliant, thanks for letting me know, I've been waiting for this.
Old 27th January 2015
  #45
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Wow, just checked out the Scuffham website, had never heard of S-Gear, I'm totally impressed!
Been a Guitar Rig user for a few years and have yet to dial in an overdrive tone I actually like, so this is truly something.

And what, a mere $99 for the full package?
No-brainer purchase, thanks guys for opening that window!
Old 27th January 2015
  #46
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Messing with S-Gear, and off the bat it sounds really good....however not as good as the Axe-Fx. I am open to experimenting, so if anyone has any suggestions for setting it up, I'd be open. The Axe-Fx gave me the feeling that it could go beyond analog, without losing anything I loved about analog...the S-Gear sounds cool and would definitely be useful to demo with, but overall I can't get it to sound nearly as full as the Axe. Any suggestions?

Last edited by IMRECS; 27th January 2015 at 06:33 PM..
Old 27th January 2015
  #47
pjk
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007 My pleasure. It is the king of break up / overdrive to me ( from the ones i've tried ).

Nice....just tried it out and V2.5 now adds a high quality tuner and some really nice special ported 2 x 12 cabs. The latter goes a long way to address the issues i've had with not getting enough low frequency content for clean vintage fender twin type sounds and Mike's working on a 4 x 12 of his own ( in addition to the redwire IR's included already ).

All the updates are free once you buy it ( at least they have been so far which is a business model that i respect a lot ).

cheers

Last edited by pjk; 27th January 2015 at 07:20 PM..
Old 27th January 2015
  #48
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Just got the 2.5 update. The tuner is very nice. It doesn't bounce around a lot so tuneups are quicker. I like the new open back cabs for a change with it's slightly hollow sound in contrast to a closed back with slightly more thump. I like one of each on either side.

S-Gear is just like any other good amp, works great with stompboxes in front of it. Many computer audio interfaces don't have the proper impedance needed by a high impedance guitar pickup so a good stompbox will buffer the impedance preventing loss of highs and generally flat tone. Today I'm using a Boss Auto Wah and a Tubescreamer and it sounds very nice.

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Quality man ! You have a way with words there.

Cheers
Thanks! I've been told I have a tendency towards long-winded pedantic speech if it's something I'm interested in.
Old 27th January 2015
  #49
pjk
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Hi IMRECS, check this out that i said earlier


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Quality man ! You have a way with words there.

Yes the bass and impedance dials on the proconvolver allow for more bass and shape options. I am still pretty new to these amp sims after years of mic'ing real cabs but they seem to have a slight lack of fundamental low frequencies to me, even with optimal settings, gain staging and virtual close mic'ing, so I see these features as essential to getting the full frequency response like from a real cab, especially for use in rock music. My only wish for s-gear is that it could be coaxed into more cab resonance and depth but I have had some success with Ignite amps TPA-1 power amp after s-gear with careful setting up of the power and amp section in s-gear and TPA-1 using the kT88 tubes, although sometimes (especially with clean sounds) I have to put it on a separate channel and hi shelf it in order to preserve the rest of the sweet frequency response from s-gear just to get the low end depth and thump that I recall from close mic'ing cabs with ribbons.

I have an 80's .50 caliber plus boogie that has a wonderfully crunchy sound but unfortunately they built in a hi pass or roll off into the lead channel which ruined it for rhythm so imagine my joy when I was able to match it with the wayfarer with the bass switch engaged and then switch off that switch and hear the sound I always wanted to get from my boogie ! Bliss....

I've actually been a bit disappointed with my single coil USA tele with amp sims so far, although the set of new strings I have on them are not good so that could account for it to some extent, but with a bit more EQ, compression, saturation and the TPA-1 I can get a reasonable approximation of the full clean extended bass response of a fender twin from s-gear although ignite amps anvil clean with bright switched on and TPA-1 is usually the lower level second channel chain I was referring to but then there is also a bit of work needed with phase alignment.


Cheers

The fullness is a slight problem for all the amp sims i've tried thus far but the above approach gets me a lot closer but from a purists and time point of view its far from ideal and obviously comes at a cost to clarity.

EDIT : The new 2 x 12 cabs in s-gear v2.5 have gone a long way to addressing this problem to me.

Last edited by pjk; 27th January 2015 at 07:23 PM..
Old 27th January 2015
  #50
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Worth the wait to test the Recabinet 4 in February will leave a new expansion containing several sensational amps. I found it very real. Until then also vote by S-Gear or Bias.
Old 27th January 2015
  #51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IMRECS View Post
Messing with S-Gear, and off the bat it sounds really good....however not as good as the Axe-Fx. I am open to experimenting, so if anyone has any suggestions for setting it up, I'd be open. The Axe-Fx gave me the feeling that it could go beyond analog, without losing anything I loved about analog...the S-Gear sounds cool and would definitely be useful to demo with, but overall I can't get it to sound nearly as full as the Axe. Any suggestions?
Try turning the sag and high cut all the way off. That's a lot of the soft edge. The sag is almost like the attack phase of an envelope filter. Turning it up softens the leading edge of the note. Turning it down might make S-Gear a little more like the Axe Fx. The high cut buffs off excessive harmonics so tone is more fat than fizzy but some players may want more top end. Axe Fx presets typically have a lot more top end than S-Gear presets so try some EQ.
Old 27th January 2015
  #52
pjk
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaburque View Post

S-Gear is just like any other good amp, works great with stompboxes in front of it. Many computer audio interfaces don't have the proper impedance needed by a high impedance guitar pickup so a good stompbox will buffer the impedance preventing loss of highs and generally flat tone. Today I'm using a Boss Auto Wah and a Tubescreamer and it sounds very nice.



Thanks! I've been told I have a tendency towards long-winded pedantic speech if it's something I'm interested in.
That's funny ! I like it

My desk has 1 Megaohm inputs as does my other d.i. I tried the buffer from true bypass pedal's like boss pedals but there is no improvement in low end ( as already right impedance on my d.i's - but good point as you do have to check it ) and if engaged ( when trying distortion ) the distortion is very nice but also has some roll off ( less than most i think ) like most drive/distortion pedals i've tried - both analogue and digital pedals have some form of low frequency roll off. I haven't tried a hardware tubescreamer, but the TSE 808 ( whilst sounding brilliant in the midrange ) also has considerable low end roll off. Ignite amps have the TS-999 which has a depth switch though. I'm sure you can tell i am obsessed on getting the low end right he he

Them new ported 2 x 12's are helping a lot with getting full spectrum cleans though. Very nice.

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Old 27th January 2015
  #53
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after a few hours with the S-Gear, I can say that it's almost on par with the Axe-FX in terms of quality; axe has more tweak-ability of course, but I am really impressed with the Sound of S-Gear.

Now I'm debating whether it's worth keeping the Axe considering the price difference :/ - wondering if the S-Gear will be stable in a live context, if running via ableton or mainstage, as I was planning on using a computer to trigger scene changes in the axe anyway, and running the axe through ableton/mainstage for mixing with backing tracks, etc....

right now the axe has the edge in terms of features/use, but it's $2,500 more than the S-Gear, which is kinda crazy considering the S-Gear is close sonically.

Last edited by IMRECS; 27th January 2015 at 09:44 PM..
Old 27th January 2015
  #54
pjk
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Hi IMRECS,

I don't use it live but it is very stable on my DAW and if you go over to the s-gear forum you will see a thread where plenty of people seem to be happy using it live.

cheers
Old 28th January 2015
  #55
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After a full day of comparing S-Gear to the Axe FX, I have to say the Axe FX really comes out on top. The S-Gear sounded really good in some situations, but in terms of replacing a guitar rig, the Axe is where it's at. I have no doubt that in a few years, a company like S-Gear could become competitive, and I'm happy to have S-Gear to quickly demo ideas when I don't have the AXE with me. but after tweaking and tweaking, I was able to get the Axe FX sounding better than the S-Gear everytime. Still, S-Gear is impressive.
Old 28th January 2015
  #56
I've tried S-Gear and Bias - for my use they don't cut it. Things are improving tone-wise though.

I for one can't wait for the day someone releases a simple amp sim that just sounds great and doesn't have 4000 variables to tweak to "try" to get a usable tone. What is with the obsession on tweakability for these products? I don't want to change the tubes or cabinet or mic or add a rack full of effects or combine two separate rigs - please just provide an actual amp that sounds like an amp, without a ton of noise and without cluttering my screen with a DAW's worth of real estate - I'm looking at you guitar rig!

Rant over.
Old 28th January 2015
  #57
pjk
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Messing with S-Gear, but overall I can't get it to sound nearly as full as the Axe. Any suggestions?
It took me ages to realise the low end EQ is too little compared to real amps i think. All of the plugins i've tried so far seem to suffer this problem to my ears ( maybe less so ignite amps TPA-1 ). Then you have to add eq which is never going to sound as pure as a balanced frequency signal off the bat ( even if placed before the sim ).

I've never tried the axe but if it gets you the tone you want then its hard to say no except for the fact that it is a lot of money to still have to start tweaking to get that tone. If you are gigging regularly i could maybe see it being a more robust device than laptop / interface.

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Old 28th January 2015
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After a full day of comparing S-Gear to the Axe FX, I have to say the Axe FX really comes out on top. The S-Gear sounded really good in some situations, but in terms of replacing a guitar rig, the Axe is where it's at. I have no doubt that in a few years, a company like S-Gear could become competitive, and I'm happy to have S-Gear to quickly demo ideas when I don't have the AXE with me. but after tweaking and tweaking, I was able to get the Axe FX sounding better than the S-Gear everytime. Still, S-Gear is impressive.
Apples and Oranges.
Old 28th January 2015
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It took me ages to realise the low end EQ is too little compared to real amps i think. All of the plugins i've tried so far seem to suffer this problem to my ears ( maybe less so ignite amps TPA-1 ). Then you have to add eq which is never going to sound as pure as a balanced frequency signal off the bat ( even if placed before the sim ).

I've never tried the axe but if it gets you the tone you want then its hard to say no except for the fact that it is a lot of money to still have to start tweaking to get that tone. If you are gigging regularly i could maybe see it being a more robust device than laptop / interface.
You tried Kuassa amps at all? I've been jamming exclusively on Kuassa Vermillion for a little while now.
Old 28th January 2015
  #60
Kemper, but it's a hardware solution. Nothing else comes close in either sound or usability, doesn't have 4000 tweak controls on the front, doesn't need them, just the important ones like treble, mid, bass, gain...

Software solutions just don't cut it so far for me, tried them all, best of the bunch currently is Bias Desktop (never liked Scuffam), but whatever works for you, YMMV.
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