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Old 21st April 2014
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Ok I am corrected but in true ...let's not explain things clearly ...fashion from them...it was a bit easy to misunderstand. Other developers have done this ..as in time bombe.

For the record I am a paying customer and early big fan of Nebula.
Old 21st April 2014
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This is going downhill...

"Due to memory leaks created at particular datetimes you could suffer heavy data damages."

If this means unpredictable damage to an in-memory data structure(s) running in the Nebula environment and the program crashes then I have a thought and comment about that. If it is intended to indicate that a memory leak can occur that disrupts the OS and can cause damage to the OS and fry the entire machine and "data" then I have a different thought and comment.

...awaiting more details before further comment...
This refers to memory leaks that can occur when the plugin has been improperly authorized, it is not an intentional "time-bomb" from the devs. I can't believe that people (not you necessarily, I am just venting now) react mildly when software gets pirated, but now there is some kind of "problem" if a software doesn't behave after it has been cracked? This is ridiculous. How can Acustica even begin to guess how any pirate is going to go about pirating their work? Is it the responsibility of every developer to ensure that a person's computer is not damaged after the user has decided to use an illegal and risky keygen? Acustica's warning is merely saying to keep it legal and only use legitimately authorized software. If not, then they as a company can not trouble-shoot the issues caused by that. I do not see a problem with that.
Old 21st April 2014
  #183
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Buying these new Aqua plugins is a no brainer, I love Nebula but the work flow could have been a bit smoother, these new plugins seem the way to go. Birthday coming up so might jump for the Coolteq, miss my Uad version but know that Nebula sounds the best every time up against algo plugins.
Old 21st April 2014
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ok if you have questions about this crack release post here:
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beware: there will be no support on cracked tools. Especially in this case (wrong key which could lead to issues + virus detected in key generator).

If you have comments about our products and price tag just tell us. We spend a lot of efforts and resources on them
We are betatesting mac osx releases too, and we are working on aax format and osx 64 bits (I'm preventing further questions)
If support or our ticketing system don't work as expected just tell us: we are paying people for doing it, if the team is not fast enough we could add someone else.
Thank you!
Old 21st April 2014
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Originally Posted by ultra171 View Post
They certainly still have some work to do considering the pages, downloading, authorization etc. I think it's rather embarrassing for them.

I personally ALMOST bought an semi-powerful GPU solely for Nebula, only to learn that the CUDA support works only with the reverbs and even that is so-so. It's pretty dodgy that they advertise stuff like that if it doesn't work properly.

They're definitely not perfect. I've been able to download all the files from the site in the end 'tho, but it's a disaster IMO.

EDIT: BTW, just try to re-enter a few times, usually works for me.
we just released a preview for cuda6. I think you could try it for long tailed preamp. Just make the kernel in kern page greater than 110 ms, and make all harmonics of the same kernel size. There will be libraries specifically designed for cuda. Due to other developments we were slowed a bit, but several days ago we bought a powerful 780 ti just for this nebula betatesting
Old 21st April 2014
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did that mean something?
"Very expensive."
Stop acting like an American.





heh
Old 21st April 2014
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we just released a preview for cuda6. I think you could try it for long tailed preamp. Just make the kernel in kern page greater than 110 ms, and make all harmonics of the same kernel size. There will be libraries specifically designed for cuda. Due to other developments we were slowed a bit, but several days ago we bought a powerful 780 ti just for this nebula betatesting
Thanks for the effort and all, but I think it should be mentioned with CAPITAL letters somewhere that CUDA only supports libraries with longer tails (basically that means reverbs and delays only).

I'm using massive reverbs with the longest possible tails available (still not long enough) and therefore CUDA support would highly useful since latency is an huge issue. It would be nice to have some info about HOW well the CUDA support actually works?

For example, can I run some 5sec reverb in low latency with CUDA power only? I'm not buying a NVidia GPU for a few percent improvement..

Other than that, thanks for the phenomenal product and your latest improvements really kick ass. I cannot wait for Nebula 4.
Old 21st April 2014
  #188
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Originally Posted by ultra171 View Post
Thanks for the effort and all, but I think it should be mentioned with CAPITAL letters somewhere that CUDA only supports libraries with longer tails (basically that means reverbs and delays only).

I'm using massive reverbs with the longest possible tails available (still not long enough) and therefore CUDA support would highly useful since latency is an huge issue. It would be nice to have some info about HOW well the CUDA support actually works?

For example, can I run some 5sec reverb in low latency with CUDA power only? I'm not buying a NVidia GPU for a few percent improvement..

Other than that, thanks for the phenomenal product and your latest improvements really kick ass. I cannot wait for Nebula 4.
ok thank you, we'll improve that explanation on our website
Old 21st April 2014
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Originally Posted by ultra171 View Post
Thanks for the effort and all, but I think it should be mentioned with CAPITAL letters somewhere that CUDA only supports libraries with longer tails (basically that means reverbs and delays only).

I'm using massive reverbs with the longest possible tails available (still not long enough) and therefore CUDA support would highly useful since latency is an huge issue. It would be nice to have some info about HOW well the CUDA support actually works?

For example, can I run some 5sec reverb in low latency with CUDA power only? I'm not buying a NVidia GPU for a few percent improvement..

Other than that, thanks for the phenomenal product and your latest improvements really kick ass. I cannot wait for Nebula 4.
using cuda6 we are experiencing lower latencies, we'll make more tests though. Till version 5 the suggested dspbuffer size was greater than 2048. Anyway CUDA is never a low latency solution, due to its architecture. Cuda is very useful if you are using a lot of reverb instances in nebula, ie for orchestral and strings environments or placing things in a real environment (ie the roomhunters library, just released as a free product for all customers)
Old 21st April 2014
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using cuda6 we are experiencing lower latencies, we'll make more tests though. Till version 5 the suggested dspbuffer size was greater than 2048. Anyway CUDA is never a low latency solution, due to its architecture. Cuda is very useful if you are using a lot of reverb instances in nebula, ie for orchestral and strings environments or placing things in a real environment (ie the roomhunters library, just released as a free product for all customers)
Well, using something like the EAR "Cathedral" preset (kernel = 6000ms!) with DPS 2048, I'm hitting around 30% CPU usage on my i5 2500K in Reaper.. so you understand my problem?

So what I'm asking: is getting a CUDA card going to significantly reduce the CPU load?

It's really nice to see these amazing tweaks and improvements (like cuda6), godspeed guys
Old 21st April 2014
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Well, using something like the EAR "Cathedral" preset (kernel = 6000ms!) with DPS 2048, I'm hitting around 30% CPU usage on my i5 2500K in Reaper.. so you understand my problem?

So what I'm asking: is getting a CUDA card going to significantly reduce the CPU load?

It's really nice to see these amazing tweaks and improvements (like cuda6), godspeed guys

yes! almost all calculation would be performed by the gpu card, I think at least 15% or even more. Which kind of nvidia card do you have?
Old 21st April 2014
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yes! almost all calculation would be performed by the gpu card, I think at least 15% or even more. Which kind of nvidia card do you have?
None yet, that's why I'm asking. I was thinking of getting something like GTX 570-650 second hand, something with as many CUDA cores as possible.
Old 21st April 2014
  #193
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This is hilarious. So you only trust science, thereby meaning you only trust scientific proof. Oh yeah... and the one guy on an internet forum who says so. Now THAT is scientific evidence if ever there was any!
yep.

1. because science means knowing, thats the opposite of believing. which is religion.

2. I said that Nebula is a closed case for me because of the hysterically reaction from the developer team. he didnt talk to one point of criticism, only stated that Nebula had so much good reviews.

I know these reviews. and I shortly checked Nebula some 2 or 3 years ago and lika some other people said: I said no to it because of all the hassle that comes with it. and I cant say, that I was impressed about what I have heard.

be that as it may, I dont think the arguments about the differences between a sine-wave and complex music shed a bright light on the ones who make these claims.

did you know that ALL music consists of only sine-waves ... ? how about that? your precious music is nothing than a bunch of sine-waves. so please, spare my time and dont talk such bs.

and I am with MusicJesus: if you do like anything, then use it. but dont get emotional when someone states simply a fact about your beloved whatever-plugin.

regarding facts: if Nebula states that they emulate precise hardware and after a simple test we all should know that this is not true, one can say that this is untrue and therefor near to a fraud. and the sine-wave-test shows this. period.

so now go and play in your science-free world and lets hope, that you never ever will need science to fix any problem ... oh, forget about these. you are using a computer. do you maybe in believe in science too but dont know, when it is science and when it is bs?
Old 21st April 2014
  #194
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ok if you have questions about this crack release post here:
• View topic - Cracks

beware: there will be no support on cracked tools. Especially in this case (wrong key which could lead to issues + virus detected in key generator)...
Ok, that is clearer to me now. [paraphrasing info from both Acustica-Audio sources] Using a cracked Nebula Acqua plugin [because of malware in the keygen installer] could contain a virus from which you "...could suffer heavy data damages."

In that case not only will you end up with an un-authorized Acqua plugin that won't do anything but will have also opened up the potential dangers that malware and virus can bring.

Seems like a no-brainer to only use authorized products when I explain it to myself like that.

Speaking of...I have recently purchased the Acqua Silk EQ (with a nice discount because I already had the Nebula preset)...very nice sound and workflow, same with Acqua Trinity EQ. I'm also having a lot of fun lately pushing into the Acqua & Nebula preamps (a bit harder using +drive and/or GDRV or +Input Gain and softer, eg -drive) than usual for extra change in color.
Old 21st April 2014
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When I purchased the MFC, i kinda dismissed the GDRIVE function.. today I remember seeing a video of some (pro) producer using a Rupert Neve 5060 centerpiece and pushing it pretty hard (sounding gorgeous BTW, I want that unit so bad) so I thought I'd give it a shot..

Holy DIGITAL punch Batman! Gives you that slight in-your-face effect I haven't been able to get with the Neb compressors. Very cool, but it really cannot be pushed THAT hard.

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I'm also having a lot of fun lately pushing into the Acqua & Nebula preamps (a bit harder using +drive and/or GDRV or +Input Gain and softer, eg -drive) than usual for extra change in color.
Funny, I didn't even read this before I wrote that. The GDRIVE rocks.
Old 21st April 2014
  #196
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...The GDRIVE rocks.
Yes sir! I had tried before to push up the input and reduce the output (to simulate running a preamp hotter) but by the time I did that my aural memory, as they say, was ruined for purposes of mental A/B. The GDRIVE lets me push both the input and apply the opposite gain to the output instantly...very nice feature.

Lately I'm trying to use more EQ/preamp combos and/or Nebula 'mojo' to push into to lessen or remove any compression I used to do on full mixes. I'm liking the sound of the Nebula family for that also. I can't say how much like analog or hardware all that sounds, just that whatever solution I use needs to keep the sound open, 3-d, and not constrict or pinch the sound...the usual subjective requirements.
Old 21st April 2014
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yep.

1. because science means knowing, thats the opposite of believing. which is religion.

2. I said that Nebula is a closed case for me because of the hysterically reaction from the developer team. he didnt talk to one point of criticism, only stated that Nebula had so much good reviews.

I know these reviews. and I shortly checked Nebula some 2 or 3 years ago and lika some other people said: I said no to it because of all the hassle that comes with it. and I cant say, that I was impressed about what I have heard.

be that as it may, I dont think the arguments about the differences between a sine-wave and complex music shed a bright light on the ones who make these claims.

did you know that ALL music consists of only sine-waves ... ? how about that? your precious music is nothing than a bunch of sine-waves. so please, spare my time and dont talk such bs.

and I am with MusicJesus: if you do like anything, then use it. but dont get emotional when someone states simply a fact about your beloved whatever-plugin.

regarding facts: if Nebula states that they emulate precise hardware and after a simple test we all should know that this is not true, one can say that this is untrue and therefor near to a fraud. and the sine-wave-test shows this. period.

so now go and play in your science-free world and lets hope, that you never ever will need science to fix any problem ... oh, forget about these. you are using a computer. do you maybe in believe in science too but dont know, when it is science and when it is bs?
where's your "science" dude ? bring it then!... lets see these sine waves that is proof that nebular is smoke and mirrors!
Old 21st April 2014
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Originally Posted by kylen View Post
Lately I'm trying to use more EQ/preamp combos and/or Nebula 'mojo' to push into to lessen or remove any compression I used to do on full mixes. I'm liking the sound of the Nebula family for that also. I can't say how much like analog or hardware all that sounds, just that whatever solution I use needs to keep the sound open, 3-d, and not constrict or pinch the sound...the usual subjective requirements.
TBH, i'm still getting better sounding mixes of just using the individual pieces instead of combining the "mojo" programs with basic VSTs.. the depth just disappears, no matter how good emulation. That would be such a treat 'tho.

BTW, I really doubt that with complex mixes Nebula sounds nearly as good as the hardware, so some of you guys take that chili out of your ass
Physical unit is a physical unit, bits are bits..
Old 22nd April 2014
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Have any of you guys used the Neo console? Im a mac user here and i own all of alex b's SSL libraries. I just wonder how it compares.
Old 22nd April 2014
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I really doubt that with complex mixes Nebula sounds nearly as good as the hardware, so some of you guys take that chili out of your ass
My tests have shown me very much the opposite to be true. You may also want to stop doubting others, and start testing yourself or forever be a follower. As always, to each their own.
Old 22nd April 2014
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Last edited by Will The Weirdo; 22nd April 2014 at 03:37 PM.. Reason: Double post
Old 22nd April 2014
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yep.

1. because science means knowing, thats the opposite of believing. which is religion.

2. I said that Nebula is a closed case for me because of the hysterically reaction from the developer team. he didnt talk to one point of criticism, only stated that Nebula had so much good reviews.

I know these reviews. and I shortly checked Nebula some 2 or 3 years ago and lika some other people said: I said no to it because of all the hassle that comes with it. and I cant say, that I was impressed about what I have heard.

be that as it may, I dont think the arguments about the differences between a sine-wave and complex music shed a bright light on the ones who make these claims.

did you know that ALL music consists of only sine-waves ... ? how about that? your precious music is nothing than a bunch of sine-waves. so please, spare my time and dont talk such bs.

and I am with MusicJesus: if you do like anything, then use it. but dont get emotional when someone states simply a fact about your beloved whatever-plugin.

regarding facts: if Nebula states that they emulate precise hardware and after a simple test we all should know that this is not true, one can say that this is untrue and therefor near to a fraud. and the sine-wave-test shows this. period.

so now go and play in your science-free world and lets hope, that you never ever will need science to fix any problem ... oh, forget about these. you are using a computer. do you maybe in believe in science too but dont know, when it is science and when it is bs?
Science also requires showing data + peer review. Otherwise it's not science. I'm not going to get overly philosophical here, but its important to note that music encompasses metaphysical aspects as well.
Old 22nd April 2014
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If you think, that all music is just a sinewaves - i have a bad news for you...
Old 22nd April 2014
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try to EQ a SINE wave .... good luck :|
Old 22nd April 2014
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try to EQ a SINE wave .... good luck :|
Isn't that post-modern-retro-nuevo-acoustic-punk-metal-electronica?
Old 22nd April 2014
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My tests have shown me very much the opposite to be true. You may also want to stop doubting others, and start testing yourself or forever be a follower. As always, to each their own.
Dude, if you read my post I'm a faithful Nebula user

I still guess that IRL, physical units will still sound more "real". Call me superstitious

Simulation is a simulation and I guess always will be.

Also, I'm not going to take part in this mud-slinging against MusicJesus.. but it too hope that he would represent some evidence. Maybe he's pissed off because he spent a ton of money on hardware?
Old 22nd April 2014
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No disrespect intended ultar171, I'm just pointing out to not doubt your own testing. If you use Nebula faithfully, and it works for you, why are you doubting? Either Nebula is a better tool for you or it's a worse tool, there is no middle ground. Yes it is a digital simulation of analogue, as are most algo plugins, it's just the best yet, and very close to the real analogue gear. With Nebula you can still manipulate it in ways analogue can't, and thus make it not sound like the analogue gear it copies, but that does not mean it's bad sounding, just different. I'm finding with every mix that Nebula is the future, it's even changing the way I think of digital sound, and what we can do with digital moving forward. I've felt for some years that digital audio had plateaued, Nebula has just pushed the mountain higher.

FWIW, MusicJesus and I have a difference of opinion, there was never any mudslinging between us, and we've respectfully taken our conversation offline, to discuss it further, like professionals.
Old 5th June 2014
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Gonna pipe in because of some "mis-placed" science here...aliasing is a completely known phenomena, simply increase the sample rate, problem solved, and as far as Nebula being the culprit thats a little harder to proof...simply because you run a sine wave through a program and get aliasing does not tell you as much as everyone seems to be assuming, you can make that exact same claim for several reasons and for several scenarios, Nebula being only one of which it is possible.

As far as my own testing of Nebula I will say this, the Cuda idea is a brilliant forward thinking approach, granted at the offset there will be some problems I have been testing this feature and found it unpredictable (both great and terrible) depending on what I was asking the program to do...I think as the developers move forward we can see some things here that should be very good....think about it, being able to spend money on a decent Nvidia card with multiple cores and then essentially running your plug-in off the gpu instead of the cpu...this puts UAD in a corner no one has ever been able to do...and yes I own UAD stuff, but lost my love for them over the UAD-1 posturing (I understand not supporting but the way they don't is actually non-customer friendly)

I have effectively been able to run 23 -25 instances of verbs with decent tails on my GPU (it still uses a hefty amount of cpu but so would anything else)...I was very impressed.

By the way I am not running the latest greatest computer its simply a quadcore but I do have a decent nvidia card with 480 cuda cores...so that helps...

Think of it as a poor-mans UAD, and honestly I am tryign to AB it with my UAD stuff but having problems because I am 64 bit everywhere and UAD doesn't want to play (UAD-1)...I spent a small fortune on UAD-1 stuff in the day so not being able to easily use it makes Nebula seem like a cakewalk...
Old 5th June 2014
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chorus post doubler be dammed

Last edited by iomegaman; 5th June 2014 at 11:54 PM.. Reason: chorus post
Old 10th February 2015
  #210
Any Trinity fans here? So its true , what they say about Nebulas soundquality. I tried Trinity in a new mix and sound-wise it killed all my favourite eqs. I mean it sounds unreal .
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