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AES-NYC: Slate Digital Previews the VIRTUAL MIX RACK
Old 2nd March 2014
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We get very excited about new products no doubt. We try to launch new product announcements at one of the three big tradeshows. We always attempt to keep up with our estimated release dates.

But sometimes the fun kicks in. With the VMR, it was adding tons of new features to the compressors that will ultimately make it a better product for you to make music. Am I sorry that we didn't release it already? Yes. Am I certain that it was for the best and overall the product will be better now? Yes.

So there ya go. And VCC 6th console will be featured in the new AAX VMR module version that we are finishing now. And it's killer. Sorry it took so long, building a company over the past few years since the VCC's release was harder than expected!

Cheers,
Steven
Great to know all that.

And the part about building a company, that, I understand.

At least you're always here to give us an update about how it goes, which is very good.

Keep doing the best !
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Old 2nd March 2014
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The 6th console is a Behringer.
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Old 2nd March 2014
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The 6th console is a Behringer.
Yes please! I miss that 90s gorgeous tone
Old 5th March 2014
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Maybe some news at Messe?
Old 7th March 2014
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What is the current situation?
Old 7th March 2014
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(crickets)
Old 7th March 2014
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new news?
Old 7th March 2014
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new news?
This product may be in danger of developing an unloved middle child complex!
Old 7th March 2014
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Here is some insight to my day today.. perhaps it'll help people understand what's up!

RAVEN -
1. Working with new product specialist on the Pro Tools update to have new macro buttons preprogrammed
2. Working on new Guitar Center demo project to include a task sheet for sales associates to show new features
3. Send out blast email to RAVEN users letting them know of a Logic Beta version
4. Approve outline of the new POST PRODUCTION video
5. Learn new features of both Pro Tools and Logic Build and rehearse new Music MESSE presentation

VMR
1. Test newest 'American FET' Algo (this type of testing takes 2-3 hours)
2. Test saturation on input of FG-N EQ

VTM
1. Public beta for AAX today
2. Meet with Social Media team to blast out the news
3. Blast email to VTM users


VMS
1. Meet with engineering team to approve new mechanical designs
2. Meet with directors to go over current timelines

SSD4/TRIGGER
1. Today we shoot a video for a new expansion pack, I have to run over to the studio at some point to do my interviews
2. Manage the technical aspects of the sampling including velocities, etc

I'm sure I'm forgetting quite a few things... but this will hopefully explain the current status of quite a few things and give you a sneak peek at my unorthodox style of life!

Cheers,
Steven
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Old 7th March 2014
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Thanks Steve! A lot of work indeed!
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Old 7th March 2014
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Sounds like you need to stop cloning all this amazing gear and start cloning yourself!

… just kidding… don't stop. I'm loving the plugins so far and hanging out to get my hands on VMR!
Old 7th March 2014
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Here is some insight to my day today.. perhaps it'll help people understand what's up!
It sure looks like an intense job to me! I'm an advertiser, graphic designer, copy writer. I'm working for the Musical Instruments and Pro Audio industry. We just had NAMM, IBC, ISE and next week The Messe is coming up... Want to see my daily schedules of the last two months?

I guess, just like me, you are having the time of your life! Driven by passion, an over crowded schedule feels just a like the greatest sounding drum beat which drives you on and on...

One thing I learned from my job (learned the hard way...) is not to make promises I can not come true. Regardless the great, fantastic, amaaazing products and campaigns I deliver, people are still valuing my work by the sum of its parts: the product and the promised delivery schedule.

"I post some samples soon" is such a part of your work which sums up the total value of a company - but only sums up truly if the promise is kept.

Steven I'll drop by at the booth at The Messe. I love your products. Slate Digital brought the analogue in the box!
Old 7th March 2014
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Nice!

I use VTM on every project and I wonder if it's safe to replace old version if in the middle of mixing?

Worst case scenario: I open my project and find out that VTM settings are 'default'
Old 7th March 2014
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Nice!

I use VTM on every project and I wonder if it's safe to replace old version if in the middle of mixing?

Worst case scenario: I open my project and find out that VTM settings are 'default'
This is a beta release. I would err on the side of caution.
Old 8th March 2014
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Are you still working on VMR from Germany?
Old 8th March 2014
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VTM beta is 5% less CPU on Ableton Live 9 CPU meter for one instance of it. Thanks for the update.
Old 8th March 2014
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Nice!

I use VTM on every project and I wonder if it's safe to replace old version if in the middle of mixing?

Worst case scenario: I open my project and find out that VTM settings are 'default'
Worst case scenario is probably more like killer monkeys who spit piranhas jump out of your screen and kill you.

But, seriously, I would not recommend mid-project upgrades.
Old 11th March 2014
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I upgraded my VTM in the middle of a project, and everything works great! I appreciate the subtle changes Slate has planned for this program.

If anyone tries the update and it has a problem, What would keep you from going back to the stable version? Do you need Slate to come on here and tell you that you can do that?

I would also like to say that even though everyone here has a right to voice their opinions, a lot of the opinons here complaining about not wanting to hear from Slate unless a product is ready to release, do not speak for me. I enjoy hearing about the future potential of Slate Products. I would love to own faithfully modeled software that is UNCOMPRIMISED.

Some of you seem to not want to hear from Slate unless he is about to announce a release, well, now he's silent, and you'r not hearing anything...

It only takes a few to mess it up for everyone.

This is only my opinion, but some of the people posting here aren't even using the products that are currently available to their full potential!

If you make your recordings using VMC, and you feel the need to turn the drive control to full blast, and then think that's still not enough, I'm talking about you.

Learn to appreciate and use correctly what tools you already have available before you start crying about new tools to screw around with. I'm sorry to say it this way, but some of you are just screwing around when you make music.

I'm pulling for Slate to accomplish his goal, and he is clear that his goal is to model EXACTLY the hardware equivalent gear using AFFORABLE SOFTWARE.

If this were easy, we wouldn't be waiting on Slate because someone else would already be doing it with their own AFFORDABLE SOFTWARE.

Some people here don't seem to remember when music could only be made in expensive studio's with expensive UNAFFORDABLE for the average person gear. Has anyone here complaining ever priced a working 16-track, two-inch Studer A827 or a two-track Studer A80 RC half-inch mastering deck.

Heres an even better question, has anyone here ever paid anyone to use one of these machines on any of their songs? I Have... and if I had that money back, I could easily buy every current and anounce Slate digital product, plus have change left to pay Brian Gardner at Bernie Grundmans to master my work.

Before computers IT WAS EXPENSIVE TO MAKE MUSIC...

I will paitently wait for Slate to release his products, hoping that they are exactly the way he envisions them to be, I hope he DOES NOT GIVE IN, to the preassure to compromise because some of you are impatient.

If Slate releases anything less that what he has already released, you impatient ones will be the first ones to cast stones at him, and I admit that I will not use a mediocre product on my songs either. Slates approach is the correct approach, RELEASE IT RIGHT, OR DON'T RELEASE IT AT ALL..

Why would any one who wants to make quality music have a proble with that?

My post wasn't intended for everyone, just to those who think they should come here and constantly complain about a product that they haven't even used yet.

How can you miss what you never had? That's strange to me....
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Old 11th March 2014
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I would also like to say that even though everyone here has a right to voice their opinions, a lot of the opinons here complaining about not wanting to hear from Slate unless a product is ready to release, do not speak for me. I enjoy hearing about the future potential of Slate Products. I would love to own faithfully modeled software that is UNCOMPRIMISED.

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Learn to appreciate and use correctly what tools you already have available before you start crying about new tools to screw around with. I'm sorry to say it this way, but some of you are just screwing around when you make music.

I'm pulling for Slate to accomplish his goal, and he is clear that his goal is to model EXACTLY the hardware equivalent gear using AFFORABLE SOFTWARE.

If this were easy, we wouldn't be waiting on Slate because someone else would already be doing it with their own AFFORDABLE SOFTWARE.

Some people here don't seem to remember when music could only be made in expensive studio's with expensive UNAFFORDABLE for the average person gear. Has anyone here complaining ever priced a working 16-track, two-inch Studer A827 or a two-track Studer A80 RC half-inch mastering deck.

Heres an even better question, has anyone here ever paid anyone to use one of these machines on any of their songs? I Have... and if I had that money back, I could easily buy every current and anounce Slate digital product, plus have change left to pay Brian Gardner at Bernie Grundmans to master my work.

Before computers IT WAS EXPENSIVE TO MAKE MUSIC...

I will paitently wait for Slate to release his products, hoping that they are exactly the way he envisions them to be, I hope he DOES NOT GIVE IN, to the preassure to compromise because some of you are impatient.

If Slate releases anything less that what he has already released, you impatient ones will be the first ones to cast stones at him, and I admit that I will not use a mediocre product on my songs either. Slates approach is the correct approach, RELEASE IT RIGHT, OR DON'T RELEASE IT AT ALL..

Why would any one who wants to make quality music have a proble with that?

My post wasn't intended for everyone, just to those who think they should come here and constantly complain about a product that they haven't even used yet.

How can you miss what you never had? That's strange to me....
100% agreed with what you have to say here. A few years ago I could only dream of having an expensive summing box, an expensive tape machine with the expensive reels and (now with the virtual microphone system) an expensive collection of microphones to record music with. Only guys like Chris Lord-Alge had the ability to put an 1176/LA-2A/Fairchild 670 on as many tracks as they wanted, all going to a 1/2" tape machine with top of the line tape. Now anyone with about $500 to spend can do almost the same thing. I say almost because I do think that there is an advantage to EQing/compressing/recording to tape PRIOR TO analog to digital conversion, so we have to settle for the sound after A/D conversion. It's a small price to pay for better quality at a faster pace with recallable settings/automation. $500 for stuff that'd cost more than a house? That's pretty effin' cool!

Not to mention TRIGGER which gives guys who have cheap ass drum kits the ability to replace their $300 drums with sets that cost in the thousands. All you need, if you have TRIGGER, are good cymbals and you're set! Slate Digital made all this possible, so you're damn right I'm a fan boy (man?) and give him/his company a ton of praise.

This video puts it into perspective, as far as Virtual Tape Machines are concerned:


All we need at this point is an awesome front end (talented musicians playing good instruments with talented singers) and we're set. the Virtual Microphone System and VMR completes the puzzle. Exciting times indeed!
Old 11th March 2014
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I would also like to say that even though everyone here has a right to voice their opinions, a lot of the opinons here complaining about not wanting to hear from Slate unless a product is ready to release, do not speak for me. I enjoy hearing about the future potential of Slate Products.
Me too unless the product is delayed many months or in some cases almost a year.

I do understand that the decision is not easy and usually those announcements have been made near a music production event.
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I would love to own faithfully modeled software that is UNCOMPRIMISED.
Me too.
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Some of you seem to not want to hear from Slate unless he is about to announce a release, well, now he's silent, and you'r not hearing anything...
We are interested to hear how is the development going since it was already announced.
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This is only my opinion, but some of the people posting here aren't even using the products that are currently available to their full potential!
I eat only egg whites so no bacon for me.
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If this were easy, we wouldn't be waiting on Slate because someone else would already be doing it with their own AFFORDABLE SOFTWARE.
Who has said that its easy?
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Some people here don't seem to remember when music could only be made in expensive studio's with expensive UNAFFORDABLE for the average person gear. Has anyone here complaining ever priced a working 16-track, two-inch Studer A827 or a two-track Studer A80 RC half-inch mastering deck.
Has anyone here complained about the price of plugin?
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My post wasn't intended for everyone, just to those who think they should come here and constantly complain about a product that they haven't even used yet.
I haven't noticed any of those you mentioned.
Old 12th March 2014
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Originally Posted by Steven Slate View Post
Here is some insight to my day today.. perhaps it'll help people understand what's up!

RAVEN -
1. Working with new product specialist on the Pro Tools update to have new macro buttons preprogrammed
2. Working on new Guitar Center demo project to include a task sheet for sales associates to show new features
3. Send out blast email to RAVEN users letting them know of a Logic Beta version
4. Approve outline of the new POST PRODUCTION video
5. Learn new features of both Pro Tools and Logic Build and rehearse new Music MESSE presentation

VMR
1. Test newest 'American FET' Algo (this type of testing takes 2-3 hours)
2. Test saturation on input of FG-N EQ

VTM
1. Public beta for AAX today
2. Meet with Social Media team to blast out the news
3. Blast email to VTM users


VMS
1. Meet with engineering team to approve new mechanical designs
2. Meet with directors to go over current timelines

SSD4/TRIGGER
1. Today we shoot a video for a new expansion pack, I have to run over to the studio at some point to do my interviews
2. Manage the technical aspects of the sampling including velocities, etc

I'm sure I'm forgetting quite a few things... but this will hopefully explain the current status of quite a few things and give you a sneak peek at my unorthodox style of life!

Cheers,
Steven
You are almost forced to answer at some point.
It seems like the whole thing is a pain in the ass for you.
We are very sorry..
Maybe just skip the 6 months pre relase hype and no one "nags" at you.
I guess everyone will be happy..
Old 12th March 2014
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100% agreed with what you have to say here. A few years ago I could only dream of having an expensive summing box, an expensive tape machine with the expensive reels and (now with the virtual microphone system) an expensive collection of microphones to record music with. Only guys like Chris Lord-Alge had the ability to put an 1176/LA-2A/Fairchild 670 on as many tracks as they wanted, all going to a 1/2" tape machine with top of the line tape. Now anyone with about $500 to spend can do almost the same thing. I say almost because I do think that there is an advantage to EQing/compressing/recording to tape PRIOR TO analog to digital conversion, so we have to settle for the sound after A/D conversion. It's a small price to pay for better quality at a faster pace with recallable settings/automation. $500 for stuff that'd cost more than a house? That's pretty effin' cool!

Not to mention TRIGGER which gives guys who have cheap ass drum kits the ability to replace their $300 drums with sets that cost in the thousands. All you need, if you have TRIGGER, are good cymbals and you're set! Slate Digital made all this possible, so you're damn right I'm a fan boy (man?) and give him/his company a ton of praise.

This video puts it into perspective, as far as Virtual Tape Machines are concerned:


All we need at this point is an awesome front end (talented musicians playing good instruments with talented singers) and we're set. the Virtual Microphone System and VMR completes the puzzle. Exciting times indeed!
I can tell you get it, I think you made a great post!
Old 12th March 2014
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You are almost forced to answer at some point.
It seems like the whole thing is a pain in the ass for you.
We are very sorry..
Maybe just skip the 6 months pre relase hype and no one "nags" at you.
I guess everyone will be happy..
Do movie companies advertise summer movie trailers during the Super Bowl in early February?
Old 12th March 2014
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Me too unless the product is delayed many months or in some cases almost a year.

Your a perfect example of what I was writing about, you too would love to own software that accurately models it's hardware counterpart, UNLESS, UNLESS, UNLESS, UNLESS, It takes to long for it to come out.

In that case then what?

Would you rather it came out anyway and inaccuratly modeled it's hardware counterpart, just so you could have your date satisfied?

You don't speak for me.

I'll assume you are a musician or an artist since you are posting here, if you were to advertise that next month on the 15th, you will be doing one of your famous shows, and I get all amped up to see you perform based on your past great shows, so amped that I am looking forward to that date!

But then for some reason, you don't find the time to reherse and get ready for the upcoming show on the 15th, to the point that you don't even sound like your normal great self, yet you deside that your going to perform on that date anyway, even though you know your not ready! Top that off with you even had the nerve to charge me 100 bucks for a ticket!

What do you think I will say about your sorry show to my friends after I get through asking you for my money back?

Do you think I will give you brownie points for showing up on time? Even if I do, your show on the 15th still SUCKED, and it absolutly wasn't worth 100 dollars, YOU RIP OFF..

Judging your attitude, you would be the first person to tell Steven Slate his product SUCKED if he put it out before it was ready, because you value a promised date, more than you value your music.

I can't use a mediocre product on my music, I need what was promised, and I'm willing to wait for it.

If Steven Slate puts out a mediocre product on time, he can sell it to you, because I wouldn't buy it, I take my music seriously.

If he takes another year, or two, or three, or four, or five, to come out with a GREAT PRODUCT, then I will use something else until then. JUST LIKE I ALWAYS HAVE.

No one who truly loves making music is sitting around waiting on a piece of software to come along so they can work on their music.

We who love music make music regardless, and when that great program or gear does come along, we seek to add it to our collection, it's been like that as long as I can remember, and impatientece hasn't changed anything yet...
Old 12th March 2014
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Dear LeChuck,

Nobody here is telling to Steven how to run his company. He does as he wishes and rightly so. What I see are customers giving their suggestions and wishes regarding product announcements. Knowing that in the past almost every release has been delayed more or less, it might be good to release information when the product is "almost" ready.

In your post you made it seem like there would be some kind of attack going against Steven in this topic. I dont see none of it here. Maybe you mixed this with the VMS thread? When the release dates get dragged constantly its understandable that people get disappointed and Im certain that the Steven & Co are too.

Nobody is understating the effort and passion Steven is putting to his products. That's why we love our Steven!
Old 12th March 2014
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This thread has almost 800 replies and god knows how many views and that's before the product is even out. Of course this is good marketing, awesome even. All kinds of products, for instance movies as mentioned, are often advertised months in advance so it's definitely nothing new or wierd, it's just lots of hype.

Suggestion:
If you don't want to read about the products before release, then don't read the pre release threads, and don't spam it with even more posts if you don't want the thread even to exist at this point and time.
Old 12th March 2014
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Dear Le Leevi

I'm on the right post alright, the one with you and others complaining about release dates every other post.

Why can't you Just make music using what you already have? How has Steven Slate disrupted your life so greatly by not releasing a product BEFORE IT IS READY?

Have you paid for your VMR yet? Will you still pay for it if it comes out and SUCKS?

If Steven Slate never releases another product ever again, it will not change one bit how I make my music,

The only way Steven Slate can affect the way I make my music, is by releasing a GREAT PRODUCT, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

The product being released and performing as asvertised is GREATER THAN THE RELEASE DATE TO ME.

For you, it seems the product being released on the correct day is greater than the performance of the product.

Steven has announced some exciting future releases, some that could change how music is made, and which will allow producers with lower bugets, to compete with producers with no buget. If he can do that, I don't care what day he releases on, I only care about the end result.

You are exactly what I am posting about, not VTM. The VTM is a GREAT PRODUCT, I want the rest of the products from Slate to be just as great, screw the deadlines, and the dates, and the impatient wishy washy date watchers...

A professional on any level will use a great product on their music, A mediocre product that comes out on time is for people who have nothing better to do except cry about deadlines.

I care about my music, and I want Slate to make products that professionals can use, the only thing amatures seem to care about is release dates.

I hope Steven is reading. Catering to amatures will ruin you're credibility, and sink you're company into bankruptcy.

Great products will do the exact opposite.
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Old 12th March 2014
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Dear Le Leevi
Seems that you did not get my Monkey Island reference

Its clear that we have a different opinion regarding the announcement policy. The subject has already been addressed earlier and I dont see need to continue it any further. The VMR is coming out soon(hopefully) so lets continue to drooling about it
Old 12th March 2014
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Seems that you did not get my Monkey Island reference

Its clear that we have a different opinion regarding the announcement policy. The subject has already been addressed earlier and I dont see need to continue it any further. The VMR is coming out soon(hopefully) so lets continue to drooling about it
Sorry, I didn't get the Monkey Island Reference, but your right just a difference of opinion, nothing personal.
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Old 12th March 2014
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Patience is hard. But pre-release info is good heads up for financial planning on near future equipment purchases. If slate can deliver on VMS and VMR it would be truly awesome. He's basically creating slate recording "biome" and is potentially revolutionary. Guess it may take time not only individual components accurate but get whole thing play nice together.
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