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NI solid bus comp vs The Glue Dynamics Plugins
Old 3rd February 2013
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NI solid bus comp vs The Glue

Anybody compared the two soundwise?

Thanks
Old 25th March 2013
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I just did a test but had some problems with the bounces, gonna have to bounce everything again in a bit and repost

in the mean time, I personally like The Glue the best based on features (oversampling, freq sidechaining, range knob, output clipping) and overall sound

it just seems to glue things together better IMO, gonna have to buy it soon!
Old 25th March 2013
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I just did a test but had some problems with the bounces, gonna have to bounce everything again in a bit and repost

in the mean time, I personally like The Glue the best based on features (oversampling, freq sidechaining, range knob, output clipping) and overall sound

it just seems to glue things together better IMO, gonna have to buy it soon!
I think you might get a crossgrade offer, don't you have Live 9? I'm pretty sure there was a discount on Live 9 if you had The Glue previously, $30 or something.
Old 25th March 2013
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I think you might get a crossgrade offer, don't you have Live 9? I'm pretty sure there was a discount on Live 9 if you had The Glue previously, $30 or something.
I don't have Live 9, so I would have to upgrade and then I'd only be able to use The Glue inside of Live

I rather just buy The Glue as a plug-in and use it in any DAW, it might not support oversampling on the Live version too but I didn't check so I don't know for sure
Old 25th March 2013
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here's my acoustic drums test, drums provided by Kontakt using the "Tommy" SSD kit
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ACC DRMS solid bus high.mp3 (161.3 KB, 9868 views)

ACC DRMS solid bus.mp3 (161.3 KB, 9779 views)

ACC DRMS the glue x2.mp3 (161.3 KB, 9517 views)

ACC DRMS the glue x8.mp3 (161.3 KB, 9215 views)

ACC DRMS the glue.mp3 (161.3 KB, 9007 views)

File Type: zip acoustic drums.zip (6.82 MB, 49 views)
Old 25th March 2013
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Hmmmm....I actually prefer the Solid Bus examples, sounds a bit "Bigger"

BTW cheers man for the posts , great to hear examples.
Old 25th March 2013
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and the electronic drums test, technically same compression but the source is much louder so it's pushing the compressors harder hence +3db make up gain

drums are a loop from one of my sample packs, ridiculously squashed but you can still hear what the compressors can do very well
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EH DRMS clean.mp3 (161.3 KB, 9121 views)

EH DRMS solid bus high.mp3 (161.3 KB, 8960 views)

EH DRMS solid bus.mp3 (161.3 KB, 8822 views)

EH DRMS the glue x2.mp3 (161.3 KB, 8761 views)

EH DRMS the glue x8.mp3 (161.3 KB, 8600 views)

EH DRMS the glue.mp3 (161.3 KB, 8547 views)

File Type: zip electronic drums.zip (5.92 MB, 24 views)
Old 27th March 2013
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okay so the new standalone version of Solid Bus Comp was released today, so I matched the setting from the Guitar Rig version and exported the results

Guitar Rig with the HI setting on doesn't null with this version, but the regular one does for the most part, weird..

here are the clips and a screen shot of the settings

I gotta add that the new interface looks sexy as fuhhhhhh
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EH DRMS solid bus NEW.wav (1.03 MB, 8548 views)

Old 27th March 2013
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was this made by softube?
Old 27th March 2013
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was this made by softube?
Don't think so tbh. Some of the other stuff was.
Old 27th March 2013
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I installed and played around with the Solid series.

No anti-aliasing

Gate completely sucks (compared to Logics gate).

Beautiful GUIs, but otherwise ... I trust The Glue.

And the funny thing: The bus comp makes things louder at 100% dry setting and 0 dB gain.
Old 27th March 2013
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I just looked at the manual to figure out exactly what the HI button does

from the manual

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If it is necessary to save some CPU power without limiting the number of components,
you can deactivate High Quality mode by clicking on the HI button. High Quality mode means that the current sample rate is doubled using oversampling, resulting in a higher resolution of sound.
so this means that you can oversample in Guitar Rig but not in the standalone plug-ins

not cool!
Old 27th March 2013
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I just looked at the manual to figure out exactly what the HI button does

from the manual



so this means that you can oversample in Guitar Rig but not in the standalone plug-ins

not cool!
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Old 29th March 2013
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I just looked at the manual to figure out exactly what the HI button does

from the manual



so this means that you can oversample in Guitar Rig but not in the standalone plug-ins

not cool!
Could it be possible that oversampling is on by default?
Old 29th March 2013
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And the funny thing: The bus comp makes things louder at 100% dry setting and 0 dB gain.
Yes I noticed that too. Don't some hardware units do the same?
Old 29th March 2013
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Could it be possible that oversampling is on by default?
it nulled with the GR version on the normal setting and not with the HI (x2 oversampling) setting

that wouldn't really make sense anyways, plug-ins don't usually oversample by default
Old 29th March 2013
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Yes I noticed that too. Don't some hardware units do the same?
the threshold on Solid Bus Comp at 0dB is the same as the threshold on The Glue at -20dB so that might be why

if you look at the SSL duende plug-in, it's set up the same as Solid Bus Comp

I'm guessing Andy just made the threshold actually make sense since he cared more about making the plug-in more useable instead of doing an exact replica
Old 29th March 2013
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it nulled with the GR version on the normal setting and not with the HI (x2 oversampling) setting

that wouldn't really make sense anyways, plug-ins don't usually oversample by default
Ah. Thanks for clarifying that.
Old 29th March 2013
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it nulled with the GR version on the normal setting and not with the HI (x2 oversampling) setting

that wouldn't really make sense anyways, plug-ins don't usually oversample by default
Some do, the Elysia Alpha, the Mpressor. And I guess, also the Waves API 2500.
Old 29th March 2013
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who is who ?
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Old 29th March 2013
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who is who ?
I'm going to guess 1 is NI and 2 is the Glue.

1. is less clear but has more action
2. is cleaner but more steady no as interesting.

Are both at 44.1?
Old 29th March 2013
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I tried the NI Comp series, and honsestly thought they sounded pretty good, but it was a quickie test, and didn't do a lot of a/b ing.... but really did a nice job on some vocal groups and whatnot...

my biggest issue with the NI comps is that their sidechaining feature is really confusing if I remember correctly... there was no way in ableton to easily assign anything to the input... they had some convoluted workaround, (and i'm not a huge SC guy, certainly not for "pumping FX things), but that frustrated me, have they implemented this better or is there a solution that you guys know on this?

thanks
Old 29th March 2013
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ok I'll say....2 is Solid comp , 1 Glue
Old 29th March 2013
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ok I'll say....2 is Solid comp , 1 Glue
yeah same

tis hard to tell!
Old 29th March 2013
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yeah same

tis hard to tell!
Yes but this is just one setting of many, I find on most settings they sound very differenct from each other.
Old 29th March 2013
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that example is actually parallel compression...
both compressors were calibrated for 10 dB of gain reduction with a 55 Hz sine wave (@ 0 dBFS) because that seemed to be about the freq. of the kick...
1 ms attack, 100 ms release, 10:1 ratio.
compressed tracks were level matched @ -15 dBFS RMS and combined with the dry track @ -15dBFS RMS. (1:1)
both of the comps have very similar attack envelope for this setting but the release is slightly different...
Old 30th March 2013
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Answers??????
Old 30th March 2013
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i was pretty stoned when i did that so i forget which is which...
Old 31st March 2013
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i was pretty stoned when i did that so i forget which is which...
Old 31st March 2013
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2nd one sounds like The Glue.
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