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Nebula must have Saturation Plugins
Old 31st January 2019
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Hope it's an amp with tank.
Old 31st January 2019
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@Shaolin it's a Tank definitely. A king-of-springs tank))
Old 1st February 2019
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Has anyone tried Alex B Harrison 32 library? and compared to other variations of it from other vendors?
Old 1st February 2019
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You have such a different workflow with nebula compared to me! Interesting. Couple of Q's:

What do you mean with 'tracking' and 'mixing' path? Do you print MFC stuff on the tracks while recording (destructively?)
Yes, to emulate recording to that console. It helps to make the sound less muddy, without eq and saturate enough to prepare for mixing.

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Do you generally insert the MFC chain you quoted above at every track just to print the sonic qualities from it even if you don't neccessarily use the EQ/compression for shaping?
Yes, eq and comp even in pass-through form a full sound path, even a pan instance (it was temporarily not in that image)

Remember the Queen, due to the lack of available channels, they were forced to overwrite multiple layers in overdubbing tape. Especially drums. And they got an awesome sound) So, every piece of hardware it's all about sound.

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Do you insert the 4KC instances in a later stage at the tracks when you have printed the MFC allready, or do you work with both at the same time(like in your picture)
I work in 96/64(libs native, without convertation) and such many instances on every track, of course kills the ASIO, no matter how strong you're computer. So, i print the layers in parts. Just to offline previous. Order may differ. Gbus and Mbus, can be left on each track at tracking stage and for mixing, move Gbus just to groups and Mbus to master. Depends on whether you like the result. I chose these consoles because they complement each other. MFC gives huge and and powerful sound, forcing high and low frequencies, but because AMS Neve 88RS does not have famous Marinair transformers, like older consoles, it suffer a mid freqs. So 4k goes to the arena, with beautiful and fabulous mids, with complement Neve perfectly. Depending on the task, you can vary the consoles, changing pairs on different tracks within the same project.

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I think what I don't understand is how you differentiate the tracking and mixing stage when working digitally, to me it sounds like you work destructively with MFC and non-destructively with 4KC.

The use of Gbus>Masterbus>tape on individual tracks is something I've never considered, what are the advantages of it compared to working with it like in your mixing stage

Sorry for the many questions
To understand this, you need to listen how to sound changes not within one track, but in general. Because the effect is cumulative. And all elements interact with each other. And the difference is the higher, the more instances there will be in the project. Once i created a sound purely from SSL and at the end put the panner from Cadac J-type console and my SSL sound collapse)
In the first stage, within one track, I would not have noticed it.

I see you are worried about the destruction.

Just take SideCar Console based on Neve 1081
AlexB Audio Engineering by Alessandro Boschi - N81 Neev SideCar Console - Nebula Programs
And setup it with eq (included in)
in that way:
Input line
Mic pre
Low cut filt LE
Hi-cut filt LE
Low freq shelf LE
Low mid freq LE
Hi freq shelf HQ
Mixbus

You'll see how much the original sound has changed, particularly due to eq stage. But start mixing with it and you'll see, how the sound becomes beautiful and interesting, although at the beginning, we broke it pretty.

Good luck!
Old 1st February 2019
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Thanks for sharing your experience!

I was asking because imho something doesn't feel right about Taupe when I compare it to J37. (in general) Acquas get you that 'finished polish', rounded of and bit 'dusty' quick but it feels a bit like a picture of something... it is not as open, raw and true to the source like TimP or AlexB stuff to my ears.

So it seems T tape is the right addition when working with J37 and I'm looking for some more masterbus 'glue and weight'
Yes, agreed. And the same goes for compressors. Despite the nice and comfortable GUI in Aqcuas, i use mostly Petherick and Cupwise libs. cos the result closer to the hardware.
Old 1st February 2019
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Question: Is there something so big and cushionlike and tubey from a 3rd party developer that would do what El Ray does?

For now I've been holding back from buying Acqua El Ray.
I like the bigness, openess but, as explained in my post above, I have some second thoughts soundwise when it comes to AA Acquas compared to TimP and AlexB offerings.

Who knows... maybe ALexB has done something that could replace El Ray?

Thanks in advance!
It will never happen) AlexB comps great for pass-throughs, but terrible for compression, because he does not want or can not change/create his libs to 0.045ms RTE and sticks to old technology development. It's sad because he is a good engineer and as for the iron part, he is on top.

TimP develop the true RCA BA-6A and will be awesome. El Ray more a hybrid.
Old 1st February 2019
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It will never happen) AlexB comps great for pass-throughs, but terrible for compression, because he does not want or can not change/create his libs to 0.045ms RTE and sticks to old technology development. It's sad because he is a good engineer and as for the iron part, he is on top.

TimP develop the true RCA BA-6A and will be awesome. El Ray more a hybrid.
Have you tried the latest updated C660 and Flucti Mew? They're great mixbus compressors (1-3dB).

Having said that, I use AlexB more for console tones and whatnot and TimP for compression.

Both are great with tape.
Old 1st February 2019
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Goodness me. TimP's 140 - just been testing it on vocals. You were right @Arionas, a diamond indeed.

As much as I love RS Plate, VBP (140) is bigger, wraps around and saturates with warmth. Perfect for vocals.

£16? Madness.
Try also new Cupwise plates, there are five 140's and they all sound different, also different from VBP, but fortunately no worse or better, just different and they are all great)
Old 1st February 2019
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Try also new Cupwise plates, there are five 140's and they all sound different, also different from VBP, but fortunately no worse or better, just different and they are all great)
Thanks, didn't realise they were all 140s!

Edit: which product is it?
Old 1st February 2019
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Thanks, didn't realise they were all 140s!

Edit: which product is it?
Plates of Legend
Old 1st February 2019
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Plates of Legend
Ah thanks. I (incorrectly) assumed it was a single product.
Old 1st February 2019
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Thanks, didn't realise they were all 140s!

Edit: which product is it?
And there are not only these 140's, there are still 240, custom plate and rare Ecoplate.
Ecoplate II Plate Reverb (rare and incredible like EMT 140!) | Reverb

Which sound more modern and clear than 140.
Very good plate! He is already one worth buying.
Old 1st February 2019
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Gearsuser - TimP's BlueMu sounds tubey as you described.
Indeed, maybe the most tubey comp in Nebula.
I's a Tube Tech LCA 2B and the best comp from that brand for now.
Old 1st February 2019
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Complaints aside...this is the sound I’ve been looking for....so much so that I plan on limiting all algo effect plugs to maybe just delays/wideners, basic utility stuff. For full on analog distortion I’m thinking of just driving tracks Into Moog inputs and back out to my daw, mixing it in as a parallel effect....if only I would’ve Tried nebula before Black Friday....wasted mad dough on weak plugins.
Try TimP delays
Melos echo chamber
https://www.timpetherick.co.uk/downl...-echo-chamber/

Actually it's an echo chamber, but Tim added bonus preset with infinite feedback and you can use it like regular delay. Love it) Very live sound.

Here are few old test files with it.
DropMeFiles – free one-click file sharing service

MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay
https://www.timpetherick.co.uk/downloads/mca-delay/

Just great guitar delay.

Yamaha E1010
Y-E1010 Analog delay - Tim Petherick

Also with bonus feedback program.

STN has a nice
Moog Moogerfooger MF-104M Analog Delay
MoFo Delay – Nebula Programs – signaltonoize.com

And vintage tape delay
Maestro Echoplex
http://signaltonoize.com/?p=2164
Old 1st February 2019
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Indeed, maybe the most tubey comp in Nebula.
I's a Tube Tech LCA 2B and the best comp from that brand for now.
It would be great if one of Tims makes CL-1b library!
From comments on forums i found that people who buy and use hardware likes Cl1b much more than LCA 2b (opto vs VCA)
Old 1st February 2019
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Ah thanks. I (incorrectly) assumed it was a single product.
Just to be clear Plates of Legend vol-I
contains 1 Solid State Stereo 140
plus 1 Tube mono 140

Plates of Legend vol-2 has
1 Solid State Stereo 140
plus 1 Tube mono 140
All four are different units and they are all good.
The dampener control makes them very versatile.
Old 1st February 2019
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Thanks for the info!
Old 1st February 2019
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Just to be clear Plates of Legend vol-I
contains 1 Solid State Stereo 140
plus 1 Tube mono 140

Plates of Legend vol-2 has
1 Solid State Stereo 140
plus 1 Tube mono 140
All four are different units and they are all good.
The dampener control makes them very versatile.
IMHO Tim's POL series is a must have for Plate verbs, it covers so much ground and the new skins are fantastic.
Old 1st February 2019
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Anyone tried this delay?

Y-E1010 Analog delay - Tim Petherick

Think I'll nab that tonight.
Old 1st February 2019
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Anyone tried this delay?

Y-E1010 Analog delay - Tim Petherick

Think I'll nab that tonight.
Do it! It sounds just fine.
Old 1st February 2019
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Anyone tried this delay?

Y-E1010 Analog delay - Tim Petherick

Think I'll nab that tonight.
Yes, and I love it.

Try this neat Y-E1010 trick for some fantastic sounding fat snares.....
Take any snare, run it through the short delay, turn up the wet, turn up the delay time to 300 so that there is one snare delay hit only off the original snare. Render that for a few seconds. Now cut out the delayed snare and use that on the song in place of the original snare. It will sound very un-digital and very 90's MPC 60-ish, so yummy, almost like you ran the original snare through an analogue Moog filter.
Old 1st February 2019
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Yes, and I love it.

Try this neat Y-E1010 trick for some fantastic sounding fat snares.....
Take any snare, run it through the short delay, turn up the wet, turn up the delay time to 300 so that there is one snare delay hit only off the original snare. Render that for a few seconds. Now cut out the delayed snare and use that on the song in place of the original snare. It will sound very un-digital and very 90's MPC 60-ish, so yummy, almost like you ran the original snare through an analogue Moog filter.
Nice! I'll be doing that tomorrow for sure. Thank you :¬)
Old 1st February 2019
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Anyone tried this delay?

Y-E1010 Analog delay - Tim Petherick

Think I'll nab that tonight.
I used the hardware loads on one album I did and grabbed this recently...the 75ms slap setting is absolutely awesome and makes a great predelay for some reverb treatments.
Old 1st February 2019
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Anyone tried this delay?

Y-E1010 Analog delay - Tim Petherick

Think I'll nab that tonight.
Yes, delay, reverb and eq is where nebula really shines!

still, if I send mono signals into Ableton Live, they all pass this one:

https://www.moogmusic.com/products/minifooger-mf-delay
Old 2nd February 2019
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Yes, delay, reverb and eq is where nebula really shines!
True a few years ago. Nebula compression from the Tims has really caught up.

Try it!
Old 2nd February 2019
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True a few years ago. Nebula compression from the Tims has really caught up.

Try it!
Own it already! It is ahead of the algo game and I enjoy it, but, still not quite´there´. But, great, nonetheless!
Old 2nd February 2019
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Cool. I think I might never have access to even 1/10 of the hardware I use for comparison, but glad you're on board!
Old 2nd February 2019
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@Shaolin it's a Tank definitely. A king-of-springs tank))
Seems like an update + N4 skin for Cupwise's BX20
Old 2nd February 2019
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@xabilon oh no, you uncovered me! ) Yes, that's right. N3 skin with program switching buttons also will be provided.
Old 4th February 2019
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Tim has talked about it on the Acustica forum
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