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Old 27th June 2018
  #3691
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Originally Posted by tomheavybeats View Post
I love TimP stuff but as an owner of Gold acqua, will this be a similar sound?
Yes and no, lol. Tim's 1102 is smoother IMHO as the hardware is, he uses different converters, with more tweaking in his libraries, and custom techniques he's developed over many years. Gold has that more AA Acqua present sound and easy functionality with lots of different Neve devices. So IMHO I have both as they are similar but different.... I will add I use the 1102 filters all the time, in fact more than any other HP/LP filters ITB as I'm a huge fan of smooth Neve filters and Tim's are my favorite. I also use Tim's 2065 Neve filter as it brings a different sound and different slopes FWIW.
Old 27th June 2018
  #3692
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Originally Posted by Will The Weirdo View Post
Yes and no, lol. Tim's 1102 is smoother IMHO as the hardware is, he uses different converters, with more tweaking in his libraries, and custom techniques he's developed over many years. Gold has that more AA Acqua present sound and easy functionality with lots of different Neve devices. So IMHO I have both as they are similar but different.... I will add I use the 1102 filters all the time, in fact more than any other HP/LP filters ITB as I'm a huge fan of smooth Neve filters and Tim's are my favorite. I also use Tim's 2065 Neve filter as it brings a different sound and different slopes FWIW.
Great, thanks Will. For £22 with current discount I will take a punt and plus I want to support Tim's development so he can keep putting out absolute winners!
Old 27th June 2018
  #3693
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Hi guys, i created a simple pdf showing how to change N4 skins, with images of the generic skins available and JPNs generic skins, check it out here: Dropbox - N4 SKINS.pdf
Old 27th June 2018
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Speaking of filters... does anyone have a favorite Nebula HPF/LPF?

I’m on the hunt for a filter for sculpting and carving effects and don’t want to load a whole Acqua EQ just for shaping reverbs and what not.
Old 27th June 2018
  #3695
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Originally Posted by swartzfeger View Post
Speaking of filters... does anyone have a favorite Nebula HPF/LPF?

I’m on the hunt for a filter for sculpting and carving effects and don’t want to load a whole Acqua EQ just for shaping reverbs and what not.
My favorites might be TimP - Blue1102 and 2065, TimC YouRei HP/LP and many of the AlexB libraries... 1073, 1081 and Massive Passive probably my most used of his.
Old 27th June 2018
  #3696
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Originally Posted by Will The Weirdo View Post
I use the 1102 filters all the time, in fact more than any other HP/LP filters ITB as I'm a huge fan of smooth Neve filters and Tim's are my favorite. I also use Tim's 2065 Neve filter as it brings a different sound and different slopes FWIW.
Hi Will. Are both of these filters interpolated or stepped frequencies? Are they -6 or -12db? And i know you say they sound different, but could you elaborate? Thank you.
Old 28th June 2018
  #3697
The Blue 1102 v.2 is Bonkers, that preamp is amazing. I am still loving the filters more in v.1 than v.2 thought. Great update
Old 28th June 2018
  #3698
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Filters ... the AlexB ELY eq has an interesting pair of HP/LP filters with Resonance gain. very powerful.

2. I don't know if available anymore, but AlexB also had released a MOOG eq/filter library. I've not used it for some time now [i should probably refresh myself
on it], but from what I recall ... it was scary good.
Old 28th June 2018
  #3699
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New Tim P Complex comp is absolutely amazing ! serious squish and perfectly musical whilst doing so...............outstanding hardware sound.......... Impressive ! Has to be heard.................
I agree.

The action and grit sound very hardware like to me. Has a similar grit to my outboard fet compressor - Serpent Audio splice mark ii.

It's just sick on drums. It's probably my favourite Nebula/Acustica compressor at the moment.
Old 29th June 2018
  #3700
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The Henry Olonga Titan V2 preamp. Specifically the Medium 96khz preset. I've just recently started putting it on every track and it just really hifi's the sound to me. Been remixing a 20 year old recording lately that I've always liked the music but couldn't bond with the sound and for the first time, it just sounds really good, to me. Whoever kept bringing up this nebula preamp in the forums, thank you!
Old 29th June 2018
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The Henry Olonga Titan V2 preamp. Specifically the Medium 96khz preset. I've just recently started putting it on every track and it just really hifi's the sound to me. Been remixing a 20 year old recording lately that I've always liked the music but couldn't bond with the sound and for the first time, it just sounds really good, to me. Whoever kept bringing up this nebula preamp in the forums, thank you!
Several of us really LOVE that preamp, it's a vintage Helios FWIW, also check out how the high preset rolls off the low end too. HO's work really was a blessing to the Nebula community.
Old 29th June 2018
  #3702
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Hi Will. Are both of these filters interpolated or stepped frequencies? Are they -6 or -12db? And i know you say they sound different, but could you elaborate? Thank you.
Like all vintage Neve hardware filters they are stepped, I have no idea the db slopes, and they impart the different tonalities of the different hardware they are sampled from..... 1102 is smoother while 2065 is darker with a more aggressive roll off with less steps to choose from.
Old 30th June 2018
  #3703
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Like all vintage Neve hardware filters they are stepped, I have no idea the db slopes, and they impart the different tonalities of the different hardware they are sampled from..... 1102 is smoother while 2065 is darker with a more aggressive roll off with less steps to choose from.
Cool, thanks for the explanation Will, much appreciated!
Old 30th June 2018
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Hey guys, posting here what I already did in the AA Facebook Group and on my FB timeline. The idea is crystallising more and more and I think that I will go for it, but it would be cool if you could indicate if interested in this.

As we all know Nebula verbs are CPU intense, and I know that a lot of my own friends who are not Nebulaholics will support me, I am planning to include some preamps, EQs, that U89 panner described below, drum samples recorded on these locations and maybe other bits as extras for supporters. In this way such people will be able to experience Nebula for what it is, and all supporters will get some cool stuff on top of the verb.

I have been busy these days, but next will be all about this project and I'll post lot more sounds and some videos.

Cheers,
Nik



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and here is the post:
https://youtu.be/rZHWjDbu0X8

Hey guys,... - Nikolay Georgiev | Facebook

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Hey guys, I am reaching out for your help by simply asking for your opinion and suggestions on a reverb plug-in I am working on (a Nebula 4 library to be more precise). Check the video for an example! In essence, I want to get your feedback if you would be interested in supporting a Kickstarter project I envision and for any suggestions on cool spaces I could possibly sample for it?

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Some more details:
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I am addressing this to all the people who make and mix music, but most of all, to all the Nebula/Acqua plug-in lovers out there, as you will understand better where my drive comes from! That is: creating and sharing sound shaping tools based on a cutting-edge audio tech that delivers exceptional audio quality - such that makes me feel happy when I mix!

For those who don’t know me, but know of Acustica Audio’s Nebula and Acqua plug-ins, I am the guy who sampled the entire of Navy, Lime, EQ A in Pink and the bigger part of Cream (SteDal did his lovely magic here too!).

For those who don’t know what the Nebula plug-in (N4) does - think something like NI's Kontakt with its sample libraries, but based on a Volterra series nonlinear convolution. So instead of sampling instruments, you can sample devices such as EQs, compressors, etc. and reverbs incl. natural acoustics too. And before you ask - yes, IMHO, N4 sounds by a margin better than the usual convolution reverbs out there + I can see many other reasons for this to be a valuable and worthy project! (yes, yes, I know how many convolution verbs there are out there and I know that there are some free IRs on the net.) I will outline my reasons in more detail below, but think of the uniqueness of each space, mic placement and stereo technique decisions, the quality of gear used, the engineering skills involved + the extra features I want to add described below... Moreover, due to its high accuracy and the ability to mix direct/FFT convolution streams and some advanced partitioning, N4 deals with transients in a really impressive way and it can reproduce the early reflections of acoustics achieving great realism, sense of space and depth. N4 also has a free 'Player' version, that can be used to load my reverb libraries and you won't need the full version to use 'em.

So what's up?

Well, last summer I wanted to sample some peculiar spaces that have inspired me in the past, or others that made me curious of the results I could have. I did this and what I got sounds pretty good to me already. This video is an example of one such space (NOTE that the issue with the water stream next to the entrance of the tunnel forced me to de-noise the samples. So the quality can be better and I would want to resample it this summer when the water from the melting snow that runs down the mountain will be gone).

OK, so I already have a bunch of sampled spaces and in some cases this was done with many different speaker/mic positions, various stereo techniques, mic polar patterns used, and spacing between the mics when in AB stereo setup (check the pics attached). So I could in theory release just that - besides my information tells me that there is a decent niche on the Nebula libraries market for this. Then why posting?

I am liking how this project goes and I think that it deserves to be brought to another level. I want to do this by sampling more spaces, resampling some I already did, and more importantly, spend a great deal of time in the post-production phase, processing and working with various impulse responses to add some very cool extra features that will make the libraries a lot more flexible in a mix situation and give them a lovely sound (details below).

However, in order to do this, I will need to put a few months of my time into this project and possibly travel around Europe to sample. Obviously this is quite a commitment that will cost both time and money, so I would like to ask for your opinion and suggestions. Here are the 3 questions I have:

1) Would you be interested in purchasing such a library? *
2) Would you support this as a Kickstarter project? **
3) Can you think of any cool spaces around the UK and Europe that would be nice to sample?

These can be both indoors or outdoors - think churches, castles, caves or caverns, abandoned factories, warehouses, concert halls, clubs, tunnels, large pipes, big chimneys, bridges, barns, water wells, reservoirs, etc. The only major requirements are that there isn’t much noise around those spaces and that I could get access to the location and record some test tones. Also consider the fact that this isn't a project with a huge budget, so I can't hire the Berliner Philharmonie or similar.

And thanks, I already know of Open Air lib!

* I have not decided on the price already, but it won't be expensive and you will only need to get the libraries, as N4Player is completely free. I understand that this is the major factor when answering this question, but I the price will also vary depending on how many new spaces I find to sample, how many of the extra features listed below I'll add, and if I go for a Kickstarter campaign at all, etc. I am also taking into account the prices of existing N4 libraries and that of other IR verbs. So I will give an indication for this ASAP!
** Obviously providing that this would be a price you are ready to pay, and one that will guarantee that my project will become much more than what it is in its current state + you will eventually pay less for it. Note that it is common that when a new Acustica plug-in or 3rd party library is released, there is a 15% 'pre-sale' discount for in the first 4 weeks after its release. My intention is to provide such discount only to those who support a Kickstarter project, and I am considering this % to be a bit higher than the usual + there will be some bonuses for supporters!

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The long read:
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And here is the long read with plenty of details - an exposition of my arguments on why this project is worth it, what is it that can make room sampling better and why the need for processing and post-production...

1) Why the time needed for post-production and processing?

Well, in the past I have seen libraries released without any or any decent post-production or careful kernel tuning. But if one wants to get to the level of AA's Core12, or SteDal's, Tim Petherick's work, etc. these simply need some hard work. I estimate the post-production work as the major bit of work to be done. Contrary to what some may think, the sampling takes less time! On top of this come all the extra features I would like to include...

2) So what extra features? In the last few weeks I have been experimenting with some new techniques and I can actually create some very cool new sounds. My idea is to have a 'natural' and 'creative' versions of each space. So you get the most realistic space with no processing and then you get stuff that I think makes these more useful and easy to work with. Some of the features I envision are listed below. Keep in mind that it may not be possible to implement absolutely all of this in v1. But you can see here what it is that I am aiming for.

• RT60 length control for the entire verb and length control for the LF range only, where it makes sense to have such function. You know, lows are always longer in verbs and can flood a mix. It is one thing to use a HPF, and a very different matter to reduce the length of the lows!
• providing a bright/natural/dark versions of each sample (by using some very careful equalisation, based on measurements and references, and tested by ear - mostly processed with some high-end analogue mastering EQs and other outboard) + compensating for excessive room modes and resonances with some digital techniques (long story, but this is particularly good for smaller spaces - the result is a more balanced and easy to blend in the mix reverb)
• making use of unique stereo widening/sharpening processing techniques based on both digital and analogue hardware to alter the original IR and provide at least 3 stereo image options (natural/wide/defined) for each verb. No, this is not a simple MS trickery and basic phase shifts, but rather some very complex but elegant processing based on solid maths that changes dramatically the verb localisation and sense of space!
• having some of the verbs sampled with harmonic distortion (where this makes a difference/sense - e.g. I sampled this deep water well with a Marshall guitar amp as a source)
• adding a sub harmonic generator
• providing the already established by Tim Cupwise double/half length octave up/octave down variations based on sample rate conversion and half/double-speed test tones (so you get twice longer verb and twice shorter verb from the same space)
• providing ER/Tail balance control, just like in AA's Ebony plug-in
• adding a stereo image shifter (as from center to left or right). This is based on a unique stereo redistribution technique I created. Basically I did my own Nebula colour-panner by sampling an ATC SCM25A Pro and a KRK Expose loudspeakers with pair Neumann U48 mics into 1073 pres. Moving the loudspeaker in front of the stereo pair of mics creates the panning effect - this is a very cool way of changing the stereo placement of the verb as it preserves the 3D feel of it, which is commonly lost when using conventional panning (conventional = your DAW pan pot. This is no good for sampled verbs as will result in mixing the L & R channels and it can be very detrimental to the sound of a stereo AB recording, but to me it also doesn't work well even for coincident mic stereo pairs).
• Perhaps I can include this panner program as an extra thing which can be used again with N4 or the free N4Player.
• I am also currently experimenting with some editing techniques in which I mixed the early reflections of one space and added the tail of another. I am also trying this by mixing the ER of real spaces and the tails of some classic digital outboard reverb units. So far I had a few very interesting results. I believe this will allow for some hybrid non-real spaces to be added as an extra.
• together with the verbs I want to include some preamps (circuit tone emulations) and EQs. These would be dynamically sampled aux buses of a couple of classic British consoles + the EQs/high-pass filters typically found in the Reverb/Echo return section of the boards. I also made a hybrid single-IR-sample 'smiley' EQ and 'tilt' EQ variations, for extra flexibility, perfect phase and very low CPU consumption. Really good EQs for reverbs!

3) I have been doing these kind of recordings and specialising for years now. In the years I gained a great deal of experience, which I feel can largely contribute to this project. Recording IRs is in many ways like recording music - if the space is good, the engineer is the next most important factor! It is one thing to take IRs as an acoustician that aims at specific measurement, and another to sample these as a mixing engineer, aiming at stuff that sounds good, useful or just cool/different! When I sample, I listen to the results and in this way pick the recording setups.

4) Gear? Well, it also massively matters and I always aim for no compromises. I can talk for days about this here, but I'll keep it 'brief' Two ways to think about this:

a) an ideal super linear source and recording chain is needed for the most realistic results - so other than the cleanest and most accurate of mics/preamps/ADAC, an omnidirectional loudspeaker with perfect transient response and no resonances is what you are after. Yes, the speaker has a huge, huge effect on the sampled sound! Well, such loudspeakers do not exist - no they don't! There are some attempts for omnish speakers that may or may not sound good, as these are often designed for measurements, not good sound. However, I have an idea where to find the closest possible to an ideal loudspeaker, that sounds absolutely awesome - this in case of a successful Kickstarter project only.
b) a pleasantly coloured source can be used, as good sound is not always = to natural sound! And you can have some creative approaches here too - especially with Nebula that is able to capture the finest nuances of gear incl. distortions and dynamic sampling.

So far I have been using mostly either Neumann U89 or Schoeps CMC6/MK5 mics, Grace Design preamps, and Prism Sound converters. For maximum realism within a stereo setup a Neumann Dummy head or cleaner small single diaphragm omnis as Earthworks or DPA could be argued to be a touch more suitable. But both the 89 and MK5 are just incredible mics - period. Yet, it is something I know of and would try such mics too. But my real weak link has been the loudspeaker - I used a Genelec 8030, a Focal SM9 and some PAs - all of which are basically not suitable for this! Still, I got very good sounds! And I actually experimented also with sampling techniques that do not involve a loudspeakers and I came up with a specific method to fix to a large degree the issues I have because of the speakers. I also did tests with various guitar amps (Fender, Marshall, Vox) and I got some cool distorted reverb sounds!

And last I sampled spaces with some coloured posh or vintage mics as U47s, C12s, AEA and Coles Ribbons, U67s, M49s, etc. and this stuff into a nice coloured pre and with a bit of good EQ can sounds fantastic and larger than life - just beautiful! So this is another thing to explore!

OK, so I rest my case here for now - thanks to those who got to the end of this super long read. And thanks to anyone who would be interested to help

Cheers,
Nik
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Old 30th June 2018
  #3705
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Hi Nikolay, I’d like to support your project.
Old 30th June 2018
  #3706
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Same here!
Old 30th June 2018
  #3707
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I’m definitely interested in these unique acoustic spaces!
Old 1st July 2018
  #3708
I'm on board! Any way of sneaking in to Abbey Road Studio 2 and echo chamber?
Old 1st July 2018
  #3709
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Hi Nikolay, I’d like to support your project.
Me too!
Old 1st July 2018
  #3710
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That looks like a fantastic project and I'll buy it..... but IMHO you should make them Acqua's with as much verb control as possible if you really want it to be a success. We've already got a ton of verbs for Nebula, but in Acqua form there is little competition and a much bigger user base to market to.
Old 1st July 2018
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Originally Posted by Will The Weirdo View Post
That looks like a fantastic project and I'll buy it..... but IMHO you should make them Acqua's with as much verb control as possible if you really want it to be a success. We've already got a ton of verbs for Nebula, but in Acqua form there is little competition and a much bigger user base to market to.
+1
Old 2nd July 2018
  #3712
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Wow! Thanks everyone for the good words and support This is really exciting and I think it was the final push I needed to commit to this project. I will work on some new videos and audio this week and I will post some extra samples here.

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I'm on board! Any way of sneaking in to Abbey Road Studio 2 and echo chamber?
Haha, I'll ask, but I doubt I'll get the permission!

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Originally Posted by Will The Weirdo View Post
That looks like a fantastic project and I'll buy it..... but IMHO you should make them Acqua's with as much verb control as possible if you really want it to be a success. We've already got a ton of verbs for Nebula, but in Acqua form there is little competition and a much bigger user base to market to.
Thanks, Will. I actually mean some sort of skinned Acqua/N4 library with the ability to select different settings/change parameters. And I already did some design work and created some really good looking buttons, knobs, an info display screen, leds, etc. But a standalone Acqua would bring the price up of the project, would be delayed as I will have to fit it somehow in Acustica's schedule and get lots of help, etc. and to be honest, I have not even discussed this with GC.

The main thing tho is that I know that many audio friends, who have never used Nebula before, will want to support me. And so making it for N4/N4P would give them a chance to get this for less cash and also experience Nebula. Hence my idea of including some bonus bits like EQs/pre/etc.

But also, let me say, that I am putting a great focus on the audio quality of the verbs and there will be a good deal of tweaks provided with what's sampled.
Old 2nd July 2018
  #3713
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This sounds way too good Sheikyearbouti!
I would definitely support you.
Old 7th July 2018
  #3714
Just picked up TimP's CTen61 v2 EQ

Exceeded my expectations, I have most of Tim's EQ's and Comps.

Not sure I need Silk, how does it compare to Soundtoys SieQ?
Old 8th July 2018
  #3715
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Sheikyearbouti : Is there a paypal address or some other payment gateway where I can throw a tip in your jar for supplying those impulse responses on your website?
Old 9th July 2018
  #3716
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This sounds way too good Sheikyearbouti!
I would definitely support you.
Thanks! And I am late in giving some updates on how this project is going and adding new sampled of some of the already spaces. But in the last week I preferred to finish a good bunch of work unrelated to the project so I can clear my time in the next weeks (incl. an important sampling job for AA). Good news is: I think I just managed to arrange top get access to some really great sounding spaces with very low noise levels that just bring life to sounds.

And thanks all for the support. I needed this to make the decision to go ahead with the project!

Updates to follow.

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Sheikyearbouti : Is there a paypal address or some other payment gateway where I can throw a tip in your jar for supplying those impulse responses on your website?
Hey man, no worries. I hope they are useful. Made me look as it was a long time I uploaded these and they actually are sweeps for the Waves IR1 lol

One good thing of this Nebula project is that it will make me go through some audio samples recorded at the locations I sampled. I have lots of stuff I want to put online for free download, but I just can 't find the time to do it. But the Kickstarter will certainly made look into some lovely snare samples recorded round different spaces with top gear. I'll just add these as a bonus thing on top of the Nebula verbs.
Old 9th July 2018
  #3717
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Anyone with Tim P's bus compressor care to do a quick comparison with this and Plugin Alliance's New bus compressor Brainworx bx_townhouse Buss Compressor - Plugin Alliance

I havent bought into N4 yet.
Old 9th July 2018
  #3718
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Anyone with Tim P's bus compressor care to do a quick comparison with this and Plugin Alliance's New bus compressor Brainworx bx_townhouse Buss Compressor - Plugin Alliance

I havent bought into N4 yet.
I’ll say this, NOTHING touches TIM P in compressor land in the box OTHER than the original hardware. I will live and die by that statement. With Tim C in close second. No I don’t have mantis but I own ALOT of outboard and TIM P makes me want to throw a few things away.
Old 9th July 2018
  #3719
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I’ll say this, NOTHING touches TIM P in compressor land in the box OTHER than the original hardware. I will live and die by that statement.
Thanks, I've been seriously contemplating going the N4 route this year.
Old 10th July 2018
  #3720
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Thanks, I've been seriously contemplating going the N4 route this year.
Me too, perhaps this summer (now that I've bought so many Acquas that AA sends me level 50% loyalty coupon codes, buying N4 becomes a pretty big temptation).
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