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Old 12th August 2019
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I searched through the motherboards benchmarked and I couldn’t find another that was a micro-ATX. Do you have any suggestions of a motherboard I might be able to use that is a micro-ATX formfactor? Thanks!
Old 12th August 2019
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Just curious what Intel CPU did you have?


just be aware that a AMD solution could be a problem if you want Thunderbolt (ASRock X570 Taichi) and do video editing. Some video editing software and games has problems with artifacts because of the Radeon RX 580 drivers (probably gonna be fixed but just saying).
Also I have read that some plugins are only optimized for Intel CPU's but I'm not sure if that is true.
I liked the the i9 9900K build better but it's all up to you. Either way you should consider Samsung 970 EVO Plus instead of Samsung 860 Evo
I don't have any Thunderbolt components, but I have also considered the Gigabyte x390 Designare for the Intel build in case I every want a Thunderbolt interface. I really know next to nothing about GPU's. I keep seeing people say avoid Nvidia drivers as they hold up the OS in real time processing applications. So I thought anything from the RX 500s series would be right for me. In any case, I don't plan on using a TB display. About using an M.2 SSD, definitely a good idea. I'll have to evaluate that when I finalize my budget. And I really like the Intel build myself, but now the strong showing with 3rd gen Ryzen is kind of putting other choices on the table. Much thanks for your advice.

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That mobo has three m.2 slots on it. I suggest considering getting m.2 drives rather than sata as m.2 is much faster. I have a samsung 970 evo plus--and that works well for me. If I was starting fresh, I would likely have all m.2 ssd, but I have a ssd sata drive from my old system.
Yeah those M.2 drives are really appealing, especially with using sample libraries. Going M.2 over sata is something I'll have to think on too.
Old 12th August 2019
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m.2 seems like a no-brainer to me, in 2019.
Old 12th August 2019
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Yep, I am swapping out one of the sata drives for a 970 evo 1 TB instead. Very acceptable price difference for the gains in speed. If I went with a 3900x for the AMD build, would it be wise to go with a 360mm AIO instead of an air cooler? Thinking that 12 cores would put out a lot of heat.
Old 12th August 2019
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I searched through the motherboards benchmarked and I couldn’t find another that was a micro-ATX. Do you have any suggestions of a motherboard I might be able to use that is a micro-ATX formfactor? Thanks!

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That is a brutal video; both enjoyable and educational.

The reviewer sumrises lousy mATX boards are pushing consumers to better ATX or ITX options.
Old 12th August 2019
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Just curious what Intel CPU did you have?
Was a crusty i5 4460

I used a nvme drive in my build, but I grabbed a Corsair MP600 PCIe gen4. Does make a difference loading those big Kontakt library's

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Old 12th August 2019
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Well, this is the first time I have seen this. Are they saving money by having a smaller case, or does it dissipate heat better?

Done some reading, looks like an interface type that is a third way--not sata nor m.2--maybe suited best for laptops. Still has the sata III speed limits.
It is a SATA drive in M.2 form factor.

NVMe vs. M.2 vs. SATA – What’s the Difference?
https://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/n...he-difference/
Old 12th August 2019
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I really know next to nothing about GPU's. I keep seeing people say avoid Nvidia drivers as they hold up the OS in real-time processing applications.
They don't hold up anything in real terms, but some users don't want to see the figures any higher than they need to be.

There is a cycle which you are working within which is your ASIO buffer cycle and as long as the CPU has enough time to action what the buffer passes to it, prior to the previous cycle being fully processed and passed back everything is fine.

If there isn't enough time then any remaining data sat in the CPU when the next buffer feeds it is then thrown away. The figure of 1000μs is permitted by Microsoft for any driver in the system to complete its cycle, the problem is that if you have 30 drivers all wanting 1000 μs of action time you soon arrive at a substantially higher figure... thankfully through most devices are under 10μs, so we tend to expect the final figure to be between 100μs - 500μs ideally thees days (hardware depending).

ASIO drivers need to be under 1000μs ideally to guarantee no dropouts and that's the collective figure for all the drivers running within a cycle.

The Nvidia drivers tend to float between 200μs and 300μs with Geforce removed, the ATI drivers are more around the 100μs mark or less. All of which are decidedly south of that 1000μs troublesome mark, but the argument is allowing extra overhead in case one of the other system drivers gets uppity.

All I'd say to that is that the onboard Intel graphics are the best in this regard, although that only applies to users on that platform. ATI's certainly a great choice as long as you don't need anything specific to the Nvidia feature set like CUDA, although that remains a solid selling point for anyone doing audio and video work together.
Old 13th August 2019
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They don't hold up anything in real terms, but some users don't want to see the figures any higher than they need to be.

. . .

All I'd say to that is that the onboard Intel graphics are the best in this regard, although that only applies to users on that platform. ATI's certainly a great choice as long as you don't need anything specific to the Nvidia feature set like CUDA, although that remains a solid selling point for anyone doing audio and video work together.
This is some good and useful info that helps clear things up a bit about gfx drivers. Given that I want to do Photoshop as well, I don't think I need anything too crazy performance wise, so I think my GPU pick is a good fit for the build. I will have to keep in mind using integrated gfx if I go for the 9900K build. Thanks for the advice!
Old 13th August 2019
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Well I think AMD is back in the running for CPU choice. I have a parts list for a Ryzen build to consider:

CPU: Ryzen 3700x
MB: Gibabyte x570 Aorus Ultra
Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
RAM: G.skill Trident Z 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR-3200
Storage: 2 x Samsung 860 Evo 1TB SSD
GPU: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 580 8GB
Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2
Power supply: EVGA 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular

Any thoughts?
That's pretty much what I decided for my new build which I finished just some days ago. It's been running quite smooth and stable. As for the motherboard, I went for the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Pro (make sure you upgrade the bios the first thing). The GPU is the same I picked, it's been running nicely so far with the fans not spinning at all.

The ram is also the one I picked, I presume, G.Skill Trident Z DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 32GB 2x16GB CL14. Very happy with that ram, didn't have much luck using Ryzen dram calculator, maybe I have to fiddle with it for some more time to get it just right. However, just setting the ram speed at 3600 at the bios and the voltage at 1.45 (mem vddio 1.45, mem vtt 0.750), and keeping the latencies and every other setting the same, it's been running stable and reducing the overall memory latency from 100ns to about 69ns. It also affected CPU benchmarks positively, both single and multi-thread.

A couple of things to note, I didn't go for a dedicated fan for the CPU, because I wanted to check how it does with the one included bad idea, really very noisy, I will get a decent Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 asap. As for the dreaded chipset fan on the motherboard, yes, as I'm about 30ºC room temperature it does keep spinning at about 2000rpm, the reported PCH temperature is about 61ºC when idling, but I really don't hear it at all.

As other have suggested, be sure to get nvme drives, it does make a difference over standard sdd.

Now time to stop benchmarking and start making music
Old 13th August 2019
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Yeah, that is definitely impressive. Pretty much destroying my sad computer lol.

Well I think AMD is back in the running for CPU choice. I have a parts list for a Ryzen build to consider:

CPU: Ryzen 3700x
MB: Gibabyte x570 Aorus Ultra
IF you want Thunderbolt in x570 motherboard, the only x570 motherboards that have TB(Thunderbolt)
ports or header are the ASRock line.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pbv...rd-x570-taichi
The ASRock x570 Taichi has a Thunderbolt header, you can add the TB card
https://www.amazon.com/Asrock-Thunde.../dp/B072JD1WWK

Do not forget to ask ASRock for the "Front USB Type-C Internal Cable" adapter, the
current connector is on the wrong axis(vertical) that may conflict with large GPUs placed in the first slot.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28061592


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Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
RAM: G.skill Trident Z 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR-3200
If it is the CAS 14 model, you probably will be able to overclock the RAM to 3600 CAS16 or +.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...ram-bench.html

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Storage: 2 x Samsung 860 Evo 1TB SSD
For the price of 2 Samsung 860 1TB SATA SSD you can get a 2TB HP950 NMVe
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xM9...ive-5ms24aaabc
The NVMe SSD is very fast that you can install ALL there with no performance loss for audio
workloads, if you like to create system image with Acronis/Macrium then create a small
partition for the operational system and a big one for the rest.

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GPU: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 580 8GB
For Audio I prefer AMD
DPC latency better with AMD graphic cards (3 card comparison)
But for Photoshop Nvidia can be now a better option than AMD *if* you have a 30-bit capable monitor.
Right now AMD still limits 30-bit for FirePro/Radeon PRO cards... :(
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14682...-geforce-cards

What is a 30-Bit Photography Workflow?
https://photographylife.com/what-is-...raphy-workflow
Old 14th August 2019
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I'm currently in the market to build a new pc. My current one has been a trooper for years but its about that time. I admit up front that i'm not the super tech guy who builds his own pc. I have a friend that builds them for me. However, he doesn't know what's best for pro audio so I need help picking the parts so he can put it together. Hoping some of you guys that have built one recently or are knowledgeable in this can help me out!

Here's some info. I'm thinking I can budget about $2500 for it. I will be running Cubase mainly with my Apollo Firewire. I do mostly recording but also produce once in a while. I run 3 monitors. One being a Slate Raven. I would like at least 2 1tb ssd's installed. Any other info that might be useful, please let me know. Appreciate any suggestions. THANKS!

You are not a "super tech guy".
OK, with the available parts I created an Intel based PC and not AMD.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9bsKFt


-Motherboard with TB(Thunderbolt) port, in the future can add a TB audio interface or some TB dock

-Windows 10 is very picky with FireWire, cards with Texas XIO2213B chip seems to work OK
https://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-PEX30.../dp/B006DQ0KD2

-I do not know how much RAM you need, I suspect 32GB is more than enough

-Two very fast 2TB NVMe SSDs
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/88...ble/index.html
https://phoenixnap.com/kb/nvme-vs-sa...m-2-comparison

-AMD GPU, silent card with good amount of ports(1 DVI/2 HDMI/2 DisplatPort)
Why AMD DPC latency better with AMD graphic cards (3 card comparison)

-Quality silent PSU
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...su,5568-5.html

-Solid/silent well built case with USB-C port
https://www.pcmag.com/article/332797...c-an-explainer
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...view-mid-tower


Extras you may want:

Windows 10 Pro OEM key
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-for-11,1.html

For backup with external drive, ICY DOCK DuoSwap MB971SP-B


A mouse with extra horizontal scroll wheel


A small Keyboard
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalK..._outemu_brown/
Old 14th August 2019
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That's pretty much what I decided for my new build which I finished just some days ago. It's been running quite smooth and stable. As for the motherboard, I went for the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Pro (make sure you upgrade the bios the first thing). The GPU is the same I picked, it's been running nicely so far with the fans not spinning at all.

. . .

Now time to stop benchmarking and start making music
Awesome! Yeah, you pretty much got an identical rig to my prospective build, down to the CL14 RAM, which I'm looking forward to tuning. Glad to hear the build fits the bill. Also, great to see that the GPU performing in the safe zone. My use may be different with some Adobe CC editing added to my DAW, but in any event my build will place emphasis on airflow. As far as SSDs go, at least 1 m.2 NVMe is now on the shopping list. I've still got to decide to go with an AMD or Intel CPU, but I think I'm leaning toward Ryzen at this point ... apparently the 3900x is in stock at my Micro Center! Irregardless, yes, music > benchmarks

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IF you want Thunderbolt in x570 motherboard, the only x570 motherboards that have TB(Thunderbolt)
ports or header are the ASRock line.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pbv...rd-x570-taichi
The ASRock x570 Taichi has a Thunderbolt header, you can add the TB card
https://www.amazon.com/Asrock-Thunde.../dp/B072JD1WWK

. . .

What is a 30-Bit Photography Workflow?
https://photographylife.com/what-is-...raphy-workflow
Wow, I really appreciate the detailed pointers here, and I like your suggestions. Thanks! Yes, I think I do want TB, just in case I ever want to use a TB interface one day. But it's not a deal breaker if the board doesn't have it. The Taichi looks to be a really solid choice for me, and it appears to have quality VRM.

Definitely doing the DDR4 3200 CL14 RAM, whether I go AMD or not, but what I've been hearing is that RAM tuning looks to be really flexible with 3rd gen Ryzen. Didn't know that that HP SSD existed. Great price for a 2 TB nvme ssd.

I have never partitioned a drive before, but yeah, I am open to give that a shot. Interesting idea. It's taken me a while to grasp the basic arrangement of the divide between OS/software and samples, etc. Part of my PC build project will be an overhaul of my data and programs.

And I'm really looking for a step up from my current un-upgradeable PC as far as graphics goes. As a photography enthusiast, yeah the RX 580 will be a pretty huge step up with a new monitor. I have only scratched the surface, but 30-bit display looks really fantastic. Would be pretty incredible with a mirrorless camera.
Old 14th August 2019
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Awesome! Yeah, you pretty much got an identical rig to my prospective build, down to the CL14 RAM, which I'm looking forward to tuning. Glad to hear the build fits the bill. Also, great to see that the GPU performing in the safe zone. My use may be different with some Adobe CC editing added to my DAW, but in any event my build will place emphasis on airflow. As far as SSDs go, at least 1 m.2 NVMe is now on the shopping list. I've still got to decide to go with an AMD or Intel CPU, but I think I'm leaning toward Ryzen at this point ... apparently the 3900x is in stock at my Micro Center! Irregardless, yes, music > benchmarks
As a nerd guy, I prefer AMD.

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Wow, I really appreciate the detailed pointers here, and I like your suggestions. Thanks! Yes, I think I do want TB, just in case I ever want to use a TB interface one day. But it's not a deal breaker if the board doesn't have it. The Taichi looks to be a really solid choice for me, and it appears to have quality VRM.
You are welcome.
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Definitely doing the DDR4 3200 CL14 RAM, whether I go AMD or not, but what I've been hearing is that RAM tuning looks to be really flexible with 3rd gen Ryzen. Didn't know that that HP SSD existed. Great price for a 2 TB nvme ssd.

I have never partitioned a drive before, but yeah, I am open to give that a shot. Interesting idea. It's taken me a while to grasp the basic arrangement of the divide between OS/software and samples, etc. Part of my PC build project will be an overhaul of my data and programs.
Get Sergei Strelec's WinPE https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...ecs_winpe.html
From there go to HARD DISK>Acronis Disk Director to create/format/resize partitions




BTW, when you have your system proper installed, it is a good idea to create a system image
go to BACKUP AND RESTORE>Macrium Reflect
Old 14th August 2019
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You are not a "super tech guy".
OK, with the available parts I created an Intel based PC and not AMD.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9bsKFt


-Motherboard with TB(Thunderbolt) port, in the future can add a TB audio interface or some TB dock

-Windows 10 is very picky with FireWire, cards with Texas XIO2213B chip seems to work OK
https://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-PEX30.../dp/B006DQ0KD2

-I do not know how much RAM you need, I suspect 32GB is more than enough

-Two very fast 2TB NVMe SSDs
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/88...ble/index.html
https://phoenixnap.com/kb/nvme-vs-sa...m-2-comparison

-AMD GPU, silent card with good amount of ports(1 DVI/2 HDMI/2 DisplatPort)
Why AMD DPC latency better with AMD graphic cards (3 card comparison)

-Quality silent PSU
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...su,5568-5.html

-Solid/silent well built case with USB-C port
https://www.pcmag.com/article/332797...c-an-explainer
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...view-mid-tower


Extras you may want:

Windows 10 Pro OEM key
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-for-11,1.html

For backup with external drive, ICY DOCK DuoSwap MB971SP-B


A mouse with extra horizontal scroll wheel


A small Keyboard
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalK..._outemu_brown/
This is awesome! exactly what I was looking for. With regards to the motherboard, will I eventually be able to upgrade to 64 gigs of ram? Also is it still a no no nowadays to have a wireless mouse and keyboard? Thanks for the info and the through reply with links and all!
Old 14th August 2019
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This is awesome! exactly what I was looking for. With regards to the motherboard, will I eventually be able to upgrade to 64 gigs of ram? Also is it still a no no nowadays to have a wireless mouse and keyboard? Thanks for the info and the through reply with links and all!
Just be aware that the Intel 9900KF comes with disabled internal graphic. Always nice to have internal graphic as a backup if you graphic card gets broken
Old 15th August 2019
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This is awesome! exactly what I was looking for. With regards to the motherboard, will I eventually be able to upgrade to 64 gigs of ram? Also is it still a no no nowadays to have a wireless mouse and keyboard? Thanks for the info and the through reply with links and all!
You are welcome, I built with 2 RAM sticks, with 4 you get 64GB, they also sell 4 sticks kits
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V4c...s4k16g4d32aesc

The same PC, but with 64GB https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YRzhsZ

I do not like wireless stuff, the only reason to tolerate that mouse is because
of the second scroll wheel it has...

Anyway, the wireless charging thing is interesting...
Old 15th August 2019
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Get Sergei Strelec's WinPE https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/det...ecs_winpe.html
From there go to HARD DISK>Acronis Disk Director to create/format/resize partitions




BTW, when you have your system proper installed, it is a good idea to create a system image
go to BACKUP AND RESTORE>Macrium Reflect
Excellent, will look into this.
Old 15th August 2019
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For those who are familiar with and use the Gigabyte x390 Designare Motherboard, is the Thunderbolt 3 port backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 2?
Old 15th August 2019
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For those who are familiar with and use the Gigabyte x390 Designare Motherboard, is the Thunderbolt 3 port backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 2?
It supports Thunderbolt 2 but not Thunderbolt 1. Be aware that many Thunderbolt audio interfaces are Thunderbolt 1 technology. Be absolutely sure that the audio interfaces you buy are either Thunderbolt 2 or Thunderbolt 3. Also if you buy Thunderbolt 2 interface be sure to buy this:
StarTech Thunderbolt cable 2M (TBOLTMM2MW)
StarTech Thunderbolt 3 TO Thunderbolt 2 adapter (TBT3TBTADAP)

Don't try to save money on adapter and cable it will only give you headache if you are on Windows pc
Old 15th August 2019
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For those who are familiar with and use the Gigabyte x390 Designare Motherboard, is the Thunderbolt 3 port backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 2?
I don't have that specific motherboard, but in May 2019, when I did my Titan-Ridge-Thunderbolt-in-Classic-Mac-Pro experiment, I learned a nasty lesson about enumeration.

What I discovered is that the Titan Ridge chip implementation from Gigabyte corporation for Thunderbolt-3 was missing some firmware sophistication that allows Thunderbolt-2 and Thunderbolt-1 devices to enumerate and participate on the daisy chain. Some Gigabyte Titan Ridge forum entries I read lead me to believe that the Gigabyte tech team needed some formal permission from Intel to implement their fix, and that permission was not forthcoming. Hence, the users are left in the lurch.

I haven't researched to see if the situation has improved since then, but you can take up the trail at this point, looking for the progress (if any) on this issue. Although I used the Titan Ridge add-in card for my experiment, I suspect (but hope not) that the issue would be the same for the embedded motherboard implementation.

There's an article on my website that provides more info about the experiment.
Old 15th August 2019
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What I discovered is that the Titan Ridge chip implementation from Gigabyte corporation for Thunderbolt-3 was missing some firmware sophistication that allows Thunderbolt-2 and Thunderbolt-1 devices to enumerate and participate on the daisy chain.
I'm pretty sure it supports all Thunderbolt 2 interfaces, but sometimes it's little information if the interface is Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2. So I think this has created a misunderstanding that it sometimes does not support Thunderbolt 2.
Old 15th August 2019
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I'm pretty sure it supports all Thunderbolt 2 interfaces, but sometimes it's little information if the interface is Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2. So I think this has created a misunderstanding that it sometimes does not support Thunderbolt 2.
Thanks, I use a UAD Thunderbolt 2 interface (Apollo 8p) and was just wondering. In the month or so I will be upgrading from an ASUS x299 Prime board (awesome board!), to a z390 board to be able to drop in the i9-9900k CPU. I actually just started looking today and came across the Gigabyte x390 Designare Motherboard which looks interesting.

As I mentioned, I just started looking today. It will take a few more weeks of research before I make any final decisions on a board. I would actually prefer a board that has a built in video card since I don't need anything fancy to run Pro Tools. The x390 Designare doesn't appear to have a video card. Is that right? I am also interested in having Thunderbolt 3 in case I ever decide to upgrade to Apollo x8p in the future.
Old 15th August 2019
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I'm pretty sure it supports all Thunderbolt 2 interfaces, but sometimes it's little information if the interface is Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2. So I think this has created a misunderstanding that it sometimes does not support Thunderbolt 2.
I think you are correct. I just found the following on another site:

"Oh, ok. So my impression is correct. It's something about Thunderbolt 1 that the Z390 Designare is not sensing correctly. I've read a couple of user reports on the Universal Audio forum, and some users were successfully employing either the startech or the apple adapter with their slightly newer Apollo Thunderbolt 2 devices and the Z390 Designare..."
Old 16th August 2019
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For those who are familiar with and use the Gigabyte x390 Designare Motherboard, is the Thunderbolt 3 port backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 2?
Here is the mega thread regarding the Gigabyte Designare and Thunderbolt 3 port backwards compatibility.

http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/6193...z390-designare


FWIW I have the Designare board and I love it. I'm only running TB ports for monitors and don't intend to use any Thunderbolt 1 units.
It's a great board IMHO. Built like a tank.

Best wishes.
Old 16th August 2019
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I think you are correct. I just found the following on another site:

"Oh, ok. So my impression is correct. It's something about Thunderbolt 1 that the Z390 Designare is not sensing correctly. I've read a couple of user reports on the Universal Audio forum, and some users were successfully employing either the startech or the apple adapter with their slightly newer Apollo Thunderbolt 2 devices and the Z390 Designare..."
Are you currently using the Apollo with thunderbolt 2 on Windows?? According to this, you need a thunderbolt 3 equipped PC and a thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter cable https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/art...bile_site=true
Old 16th August 2019
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Are you currently using the Apollo with thunderbolt 2 on Windows?? According to this, you need a thunderbolt 3 equipped PC and a thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter cable https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/art...bile_site=true
Hi,
Yes I am currently using the Apollo 8p with thunderbolt 2 on Windows 10. I already have a Startech Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt Adapter (Product ID: TBT3TBTADAP). It has been working flawlessly with my ASUS PRIME Z270-A (I listed it incorrectly on an earlier post as ASUS x299 Prime).

I noticed on the link you provided that the Gigabyte z390 Designare is not listed.
Old 16th August 2019
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Here is the mega thread regarding the Gigabyte Designare and Thunderbolt 3 port backwards compatibility.

http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/6193...z390-designare


FWIW I have the Designare board and I love it. I'm only running TB ports for monitors and don't intend to use any Thunderbolt 1 units.
It's a great board IMHO. Built like a tank.

Best wishes.
Hi, thanks!

May I ask which video card you went with? When I upgrade I will continue to use this workstation strictly as a DAW. Pro Tools does not require a super high-end video card. I would like one that is as silent as possible.
Old 17th August 2019
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Hi, thanks!

May I ask which video card you went with? When I upgrade I will continue to use this workstation strictly as a DAW. Pro Tools does not require a super high-end video card. I would like one that is as silent as possible.
I am using the on board Intel video. I'm not a gamer or video person so it works fine for me.
Old 17th August 2019
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I am using the on board Intel video. I'm not a gamer or video person so it works fine for me.
Same here--the quietest card is no card. Without trying to do so, for the first time in decades, my system does not currently have anything plugged into the pci-e slots. Motu is usb based, and the m.2 drive is mounted on the mobo.
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