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Relab LX480 Reverb/Delay Processors (HW)
Old 10th July 2010
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So has it be discussed what other things of the 480 have been emulated? like are the Primetime and mastering programs present? Classic Cart? I've just been reading through the real 480 manual.
Only the reverb algorithms will be emulated - I might look at some of the other algorithms, but I can't promise anything.

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There doesn't seem to be as fine as control on the parameters. It rounds off of the .1's whereas the real unit can get finer.
The plugin has way finer adjustments. The original might show 8.886KHz for the filters, but the next possible setting is 10.591KHz - a jump of almost 2000Hz.

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Also, the manual mentions Feedback controls on the delays and other tweakable parameters that are not present. Will these be included in the full version?
For the reverb algorithms?
Old 10th July 2010
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I would like to add that creating a usb larc would result in more sales and less piracy for the plug because of the attractiveness of buying a "real" hardware instead of just a software...
Here's just what you asked for:
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Old 10th July 2010
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Hardware/Plugin "RandomHall" comparison.

480L or LX 480

...
I'm guessing A is the plugin LX480 and B is the hardware 'vintage' 480.
I could be wrong but listening on my little computer speakers B seems to have that hint of grit that is the hardware converters.
A just seems a little too smooth and clean to be the hardware.
Old 10th July 2010
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IDK, but B sounds like *hit...
Old 10th July 2010
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A is louder to me tutt So my perception is that it is better but i think that difference is very very small anyway.
Old 10th July 2010
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Only the reverb algorithms will be emulated - I might look at some of the other algorithms, but I can't promise anything.



The plugin has way finer adjustments. The original might show 8.886KHz for the filters, but the next possible setting is 10.591KHz - a jump of almost 2000Hz.



For the reverb algorithms?

Your right, I was looking at the wrong algorithkm in the manual on the Feedback.

On the fine adjustments I was referring to the 480 presets in the manual that list reverb times of 2.09 for example whereas on the plug you can only get .1 increments.


Also, I was using my MC Control to control the XL480. Everything looks good except for RTM. In the MC it lists only Reverb Time and it is a different number than the RTM--says .89 in the MC where it's actually 4.4 in the plug.

I would really love text entry for the parameters in the LX480 and mouse wheel support.
Old 10th July 2010
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A is louder to me tutt So my perception is that it is better but i think that difference is very very small anyway.
All clips are 50% dry/wet. All I/O & signal paths are calibrated. This comparison is actually 100% digital. If any differences in level occur it would be verb algo/setting related.
Old 10th July 2010
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All clips are 50% dry/wet. All I/O & signal paths are calibrated. This comparison is actually 100% digital. If any differences in level occur it would be verb algo/setting related.
Just a few quick questions:
What settings did you use? Did you use a preset?

Was the 480 I/O emulation on or off on the LX480?

Did you use the standard or HD algorithm on the LX480?
Old 10th July 2010
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I like the Jazz Hall preset from the original 480L

Wasn't that a Hall preset as opposed to a Random Hall preset.

I see Tony has the "Jazz Hall" preset included with the Randon Hall algo in the 480XL, did that preset work with both the Hall and Randon Hall?

How did Tony come up with these presets anyway, are they copied over from a real 480L?

Thanks
Treeb's
My presets are nothing more than presets I made that sounded good to my ears. They aren't from the 480, although some of them are loosely based on those of the 480..
Old 10th July 2010
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Just a few quick questions:
What settings did you use? Did you use a preset?

Was the 480 I/O emulation on or off on the LX480?

Did you use the standard or HD algorithm on the LX480?
I manually set the parameters.
I/O emulation is off do to using all digital i/o & used the standard algo to better match with the original.
I'll be doing additional comparisons as the LX480 matures towards the release version..
Old 10th July 2010
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My presets are nothing more than presets I made that sounded good to my ears. They aren't from the 480, although some of them are loosely based on those of the 480..
Thanks Tony.

Will the final release of the 480XL contain all the original 480L presets, or is that technically a legal problem?

It would be great to have all the original presets

Best
Trebor
Old 10th July 2010
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Thanks Tony.

Will the final release of the 480XL contain all the original 480L presets, or is that technically a legal problem?

It would be great to have all the original presets

Best
Trebor


In the real 480 manual they list all the presets with settings. I am probably going to manually input them all.
Old 10th July 2010
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In the real 480 manual they list all the presets with settings. I am probably going to manually input them all.
Cool thumbsup

I'll check that out now, never thought of that.

Best
T
Old 10th July 2010
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Thanks Tony.

Will the final release of the 480XL contain all the original 480L presets, or is that technically a legal problem?

It would be great to have all the original presets

Best
Trebor
If the plugin doesn't have original presets someone can make them and can't we pass them around? Can custom presets be imported?
Old 10th July 2010
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SOrry if it's been talked about but I don't want to go thru 60 pages to find out. Website doesn't show dealers. Where can we buy this?
Old 10th July 2010
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SOrry if it's been talked about but I don't want to go thru 60 pages to find out. Website doesn't show dealers. Where can we buy this?
We are the exclusive dealer/ distributor.
Old 10th July 2010
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I still would love the feature to automatically sync parameters to increments of tempo, so things like reflections/delays are synced for example.
Old 10th July 2010
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I still would love the feature to automatically sync parameters to increments of tempo, so things like reflections/delays are synced for example.
I think in the modern DAW this is essential. thumbsup
Old 10th July 2010
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I manually set the parameters.
I/O emulation is off do to using all digital i/o & used the standard algo to better match with the original.
I'll be doing additional comparisons as the LX480 matures towards the release version..
So if I read this correctly you went Digital IO to the Hardware 480L?
If so then my reasoning of the 'grit' due to the converters would be incorrect.
Was the original 480L 16 Bit?
The 224 was 12 Bit right?
If so that may be what I am hearing....
Old 10th July 2010
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I think in the modern DAW this is essential. thumbsup
I don' think it's "essential" on a reverb .
Old 10th July 2010
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See this post to buy and this one to try the beta.
For the late starters. heh
Old 10th July 2010
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I don' think it's "essential" on a reverb .
I agree with you in regards to a straight verb,
But some of the 480 presets have delays etc in them right?
Would be nice to have those sync'ed to the tempo of the track for sure IMHO.
All they need is a small 'sync' button somewhere - most delay plugins have it and some reverb ones too (like the PCM bundle I think - can't rightly remember right now - to early in the morning over here - LOL).
Old 10th July 2010
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But some of the 480 presets have delays etc in them right?
Yes, but this plugin has no delays, only reverb algorithms.
Old 10th July 2010
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Yes, but this plugin has no delays, only reverb algorithms.
OK - but wouldn't it be nice to have the option of sync'ing your reflections to the tempo of the track.
It's certainly something I would like to have as an option.
It would really tighten and 'lock-in' the verb with the track IMHO.
Old 10th July 2010
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OK - but wouldn't it be nice to have the option of sync'ing your reflections to the tempo of the track.
It's certainly something I would like to have as an option.
It would really tighten and 'lock-in' the verb with the track IMHO.
Indeed +1.
Old 10th July 2010
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OK - but wouldn't it be nice to have the option of sync'ing your reflections to the tempo of the track.
It's certainly something I would like to have as an option.
It would really tighten and 'lock-in' the verb with the track IMHO.
good point !

+1
Old 11th July 2010
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I've had the 480L since it was released, I think more than 25 years ago (I was the second person in Sweden who bought a 480L...)

I really like A better than B, but I think the hardware is B!!!... Have a feeling that I recognize some modulation artifact from "the real thing" in B.

Regards,
Bertil
Old 11th July 2010
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Software A! Software A!

Hardware B! Hardware B!
Old 11th July 2010
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Last edited by HDMan; 11th July 2010 at 01:07 AM.. Reason: doing what I'm told
Old 11th July 2010
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Yes, but this plugin has no delays, only reverb algorithms.
LX480 Random Hall has up to 6 2500 ms delays,
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