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Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3901
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The page says it was updated August 28, 2020 but the file for v1.3.8 seems to be the same file from November 2016.


https://lexiconpro.com/en-US/softwar...vious_versions
I see the same not first time at lex download page. Fresh release date but the same version (and old files inside resp.)
Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3902
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The page says it was updated August 28, 2020 but the file for v1.3.8 seems to be the same file from November 2016.


https://lexiconpro.com/en-US/softwar...vious_versions
They keep updating the page, but not the files (nor, more importantly, the plugins) themselves.
Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
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They keep updating the page, but not the files (nor, more importantly, the plugins) themselves.
A darn shame considering how much money initial buyers spent on them.
Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
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It's pretty obviously a dead product. RIP

FWIW- I moved on to Exponential Audio R4 and Nimbus and they are terrific!

Also, my system has been MUCH more stable since discontinuing use of the Lexicon PCM Native Reverb. No more slow session opening, no hangs on session closes, no crash on session open (Vintage Plate), no more hangs on bounces and less crashes in general. Good riddance!
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It's pretty obviously a dead product. RIP

FWIW- I moved on to Exponential Audio R4 and Nimbus and they are terrific!

Also, my system has been MUCH more stable since discontinuing use of the Lexicon PCM Native Reverb. No more slow session opening, no hangs on session closes, no crash on session open (Vintage Plate), no more hangs on bounces and less crashes in general. Good riddance!
On MAC by any chance?
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On MAC by any chance?
Yup
Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3907
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It's pretty obviously a dead product. RIP

FWIW- I moved on to Exponential Audio R4 and Nimbus and they are terrific!

Also, my system has been MUCH more stable since discontinuing use of the Lexicon PCM Native Reverb. No more slow session opening, no hangs on session closes, no crash on session open (Vintage Plate), no more hangs on bounces and less crashes in general. Good riddance!
So you've discovered that the slow session close is due to Lexicon plugs? That would explain some things I've been seeing here. I've never considered removing them from my plugin folder but will likely do that now. I'm not thrilled about having to do so, considering what we paid for them, but we have to move on.
Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3908
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So you've discovered that the slow session close is due to Lexicon plugs? That would explain some things I've been seeing here. I've never considered removing them from my plugin folder but will likely do that now. I'm not thrilled about having to do so, considering what we paid for them, but we have to move on.
I keep them in my plugins folder, I just don’t use them anymore. For me they only misbehaved if they were in the session.
Old 6th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3909
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Yup
Flawless on Windows and I love them!
Old 6th September 2020
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Why don't you guys crowd source a big-trouble lawyer to lend their expertise? A bunch of $50s should be as good an entertainment as pay per view, in slow motion . They have obligations, and reminding them of their obligations in a nice legal way could help them deliver the promises they already made.

Even in a worst-case scenario, if you lose your $50 it's like kissing Lexicon goodbye one last time with lipstick on your fist

* as an afterthought, just to mention I've never sued anyone even though more than once I had every right. I was also wrongly sued 30 years ago and that's a raw nerve that never healed. But just so you know I don't take the idea of legal maneuvers lightly, and I'm aghast at how it seems Harmon has train-wrecked some stuff and wasted professional's time.

Last edited by JoeyM; 7th September 2020 at 07:11 AM..
Old 7th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3911
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It's pretty obviously a dead product. RIP

FWIW- I moved on to Exponential Audio R4 and Nimbus and they are terrific!

Also, my system has been MUCH more stable since discontinuing use of the Lexicon PCM Native Reverb. No more slow session opening, no hangs on session closes, no crash on session open (Vintage Plate), no more hangs on bounces and less crashes in general. Good riddance!
I have purchased the EA suite of reverbs as well. I am very happy with them but the Lexicon ones sound slightly different. Reverbs are like a spice rack to me...
Old 7th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3912
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A darn shame considering how much money initial buyers spent on them.
Bought them when they first came out. 3 weeks average wages they cost me back then but I wanted the Lex sound so badly.
Old 10th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3913
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Wow! This epic thread from 2009 is still around... and I'm still getting GS notifications about it from my past post here last in 2013. Crazy!

I'm not using PCM Native Reverbs lately, but for the same reason others have mentioned in the past few pages of thread, the ability to recall sessions is certainly important, and so I would love to install them on my current Mojave Pro Tools system for that reason alone. (I'll probably have to upgrade to Catalina soon before the Big Sur mess comes along...)

Perhaps interesting to note that in the past year I purchased a Lexicon PCM96 Surround (used) that I'm using instead has a hardware insert in Pro Tools. It was not done as a direct response to the Lexicon plug-in issues, but was a consideration. Was already using TC Electronic System 6000 and Reverb 4000 this was (hardware inserts) so hopefully I now have a 10+ year future proof solution. (20 years from now I figure I won't care anymore, or we'll all be using our Apple Watches to make music and mix sessions. LOL)
Old 10th September 2020 | Show parent
  #3914
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Still using them daily here. There's other stuff that's as good but I'm just partial to their sound.

No loading issues other than every once in a while I get a PACE error when loading in Cubase. I quick quit and reload fixes it, and it only happens every few months.
Old 8th November 2020
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I just picked up EA R4, via a coupon that made it just 29$. I wonder if I'll prefer it to Lexicon eventually? When I started using these, coming from TSAR-1 and FlexVerb, I was honestly surprised how much more I liked the Lexicon sound than previous experiences. Amazing how different they all sound. Anyone try R4 and preferred the results? I'll find out over time what I think but curious about anyone's experience switching over?
Old 8th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3916
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Anyone try R4 and preferred the results? I'll find out over time what I think but curious about anyone's experience switching over?
It's a long thread to sift through but there have been countless comparisons. R4 gets a lot of love here at GS. I think of it as an evolution of the Lex plugs. Sonically, it is more pristine and detailed. Whether or not that makes it better is going to be up to you and the specific task you've asked the reverb to cover. I like having both options and wouldn't want to have to choose (though I've not used Lex much over the past few years).
Old 9th November 2020
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There's been some mentions of R4, and people seem to like it, but I guess I was fishing for some more detailed impressions. Maybe there are buried deeper in this thread but I've been following it for awhile. Pristine and detailed...wow, that's been specifically what I liked about the Lexicon plugs over other options. Besides the different algorithms and numerous very good presets, I have felt like they do less damage to the source, it still comes through clearly, and unharmed, just with reverb added. Others I find more metallic and the original signal gets less focused and more obscured, doesn't cut through the mix anymore. I usually only use 20-25% wet though too. Excited to try the R4 if it's even more true to the source.
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3918
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Indeed, that ability to not drown the source in the mix is a huge part of the Lexicon magic, mate.

Another way to put it:
There's much more room for error in terms of adding too much 'verb without wrecking the mix with Lexicon.

If R4 offers something like this, I'm all-in.
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3919
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Excited to try the R4 if it's even more true to the source.
It is, and it's more natural. IMO. The short rooms, in particular, are outstanding, but it covers all territories.
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3920
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Outstanding short rooms?

I'm doubly-in!

Thanks brah.
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3921
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Originally Posted by augustusarnone View Post
I just picked up EA R4, via a coupon that made it just 29$. I wonder if I'll prefer it to Lexicon eventually? When I started using these, coming from TSAR-1 and FlexVerb, I was honestly surprised how much more I liked the Lexicon sound than previous experiences. Amazing how different they all sound. Anyone try R4 and preferred the results? I'll find out over time what I think but curious about anyone's experience switching over?
What coupon did you use?? That’s a great price!
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3922
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Go to Plugin Boutique and use the code "R4EA" in your cart, mate.

If you have any virtual-cash rewards in your account you can deduct some or all of that from the total too.
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
  #3923
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Go to Plugin Boutique and use the code "R4EA" in your cart, mate.

If you have any virtual-cash rewards in your account you can deduct some or all of that from the total too.
Awesome. Thanks so much!
Old 9th November 2020 | Show parent
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No worries man.

I accept German beer only.
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It is, and it's more natural. IMO. The short rooms, in particular, are outstanding, but it covers all territories.
I've been blown away by this ever since you recommended it. I havn't been on Lexicon PCMstuff in years but by memory, seems to me R4 might need thereapy to get Vintage Plate that was in PCM. I vaguelly remember Michael Carnes saying Vintage Plate had less attack than the regular plate in PCM.
Crazily the thought occurred to me to try Nimbus for plates. I'm stll new to the EA offerings but Plugin Boutique and iZotope made my world smile with the upgrade cheap to Excalibur/Nimbus/R4.

Vintage Plates were what I had in mind if I ever afforded the PCM thing, so I'd freak if someonw knew how to get close to the Vplate using EA stuff?
Old 9th November 2020
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So if one is looking for the most convincing Laxi sound, if not this then relab or NI are the best alternatives?
Old 10th December 2020
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Wow, this thread is still going... I just sent the Lexicon support a request to update the PCM Native Reverb bundle to ultra high definition GUIs with possibility to zoom the GUI, or to select different zoom levels, like many other plugin manufacturers have done, to better support 4k displays. I still use the Lexicon plugins, but they look very soft with 150 % Win 10 scaling. My main reverb has been for years the Relab LX480, also using some of the Eventide reverbs. Anyway, would be nice to see the Lexicon reverbs brought up-to-date. These plugins deserve the update. I could even pay a small upgrade fee after all these years.
Old 11th December 2020 | Show parent
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just sent the Lexicon support a request to update the PCM Native Reverb bundle to ultra high definition GUIs with possibility to zoom the GUI, or to select different zoom levels, like many other plugin manufacturers have done, to better support 4k displays.
Lol
Old 11th December 2020 | Show parent
  #3929
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Wow, this thread is still going... I just sent the Lexicon support a request to update the PCM Native Reverb bundle to ultra high definition GUIs with possibility to zoom the GUI, or to select different zoom levels, like many other plugin manufacturers have done, to better support 4k displays. I still use the Lexicon plugins, but they look very soft with 150 % Win 10 scaling. My main reverb has been for years the Relab LX480, also using some of the Eventide reverbs. Anyway, would be nice to see the Lexicon reverbs brought up-to-date. These plugins deserve the update. I could even pay a small upgrade fee after all these years.

I think somebody mentioned earlier in the thread Lexicon doesn’t even have access to the source code anymore. As in, they’ve lost it. If that’s the case, there’s not going to be any updates. The fact PCM Native has had some bugs for years that aren’t getting fixed seems to reflect this.

If there is no update for ARM, that’s perhaps the final indicator the product is a zombie.

I too would have been willing to pay for an update (I wanted to!) but have moved to Exponential Audio (EA).

At least with EA, Izotope is a company that isn’t going anywhere. Iirc Michael Carnes, the developer of PCM native, said when he left Lexicon, nobody asked him anything. When he sold EA (Carnes’s independent company) he indicated there was a knowledge transfer to Izotope, which makes it easier to have confidence in EA as a longer term solution.

It’s frustrating to see something as great and embedded in many studios as PCM Native die, but it looks like that’s what’s happening.
Old 11th December 2020 | Show parent
  #3930
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Wow! This epic thread from 2009 is still around... and I'm still getting GS notifications about it from my past post here last in 2013. Crazy!

I'm not using PCM Native Reverbs lately, but for the same reason others have mentioned in the past few pages of thread, the ability to recall sessions is certainly important, and so I would love to install them on my current Mojave Pro Tools system for that reason alone. (I'll probably have to upgrade to Catalina soon before the Big Sur mess comes along...)
After upgrading to MacOS Catalina, the Lexicon reverb plugins will no longer open in Cubase 10.5. I get an OS message stating that the files will "damage" my computer (which is ridiculous). The message also states in a smaller, lighter font that "the file was downloaded on an unknown date."

You may have better luck with Pro Tools and Catalina. But since these error messages are generated by the OS and not Cubase, you will probably run into the same problem. Good luck.
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