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Old 31st August 2010 | Show parent
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Tnx for the respond

May i ask you how good is your monitoring system?
Mackie MR8 in treated room.

So, was I right or wrong? :p
Old 31st August 2010 | Show parent
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Mackie MR8 in treated room.

So, was I right or wrong? :p
Let's wait a little bit... Maybe somebody else would like to try to guess.
Meanwhile, you could try to figure out those vocal samples thumbsup
Old 31st August 2010 | Show parent
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Having never worked with the hardware, I have no idea which is which. That said, these are my observations/guesses.

Vocal/Guitar A (hardware) - Sounds more open and airy, has more top end
Vocal/Guitar B (software) - Sounds more compressed but perhaps a little smoother

I think I prefer Vocal A for it's openness and detail, however I prefer Guitar B for it's smoothness.

I didn't listen to the mix.
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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Still can't say the difference on the vocals, hmmm....

Result?
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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There's a common misconception in perceiving samples that are less clear/open/transparent/airy as ones being processed with a hardware.

RESULTS:

guitar A = plug-in
guitar B = hardware

vocal A = hardware
vocal B = plug-in

mix A = hardware
mix B = plug-in
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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Interesting, I preferred the hardware for both the vocal and the guitar.
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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Hmm, I prefered vst. LOL Having both sw or hw, doesn't matter, you can easily work with both of them, I don't believe that a casual listener would care about those very very small differences.
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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Interesting, I preferred the hardware for both the vocal and the guitar.
Sorry, hope you're not disappointed with the plug-in

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Having both sw or hw, doesn't matter, you can easily work with both of them, I don't believe that a casual listener would care about those very very small differences.
I agree ...and have to say that Softube did a great job with the plug-in. Doesn't matter if it's not as good as the hardware... no plug-in can be but it cost 10x less too.
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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I agree ...and have to say that Softube did a great job with the plug-in. Doesn't matter if it's not as good as the hardware... no plug-in can be but it cost 10x less too.
As I hear from this test, difference in hw and sw is maybe 1-2%, totally unnoticable, you really have to give a hard listen several times to recognize those silly 1-2% of difference. On end, yes, Softube did great job. I hope all future remakes will be on this level of quality.
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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Question: Weather or not it sounds like the just like the hardware, Is this plugin usable at a high level of mixing?
Old 1st September 2010 | Show parent
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What you call high level of mixing ?
Pro mixing ? hell yeah man !!! i'm surprised how people are ok to use uad or waves plugins for pro mixing and asking question about softube (that developped for brands like tc electronic on powercore !!)

I made mixes with my sonar stock plugin that are still paying my cars !!
So please do not trip on tools but on technics and how u used your skills and you ear interpretation !!
Old 2nd September 2010 | Show parent
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Question: Weather or not it sounds like the just like the hardware, Is this plugin usable at a high level of mixing?
If your asking is Softube up to par with developers like UAD , Sonnox and Waves then the answer is yes , very much so .
Old 2nd September 2010 | Show parent
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If your asking is Softube up to par with developers like UAD , Sonnox and Waves then the answer is yes , very much so .
If you asking me, there is no need for UAD and stuff like that.
FET ist such an amazing 1176 clone with stunning and very useful addiontal features, really enhancing the usability of an 1176 inside your DAW.
The CL1B is a diamond itself, too. These Softube stuff next to sonnox for the clean way and the abbeyroad collection for some other vintage touch, my hunger is sated.
Old 6th January 2011 | Show parent
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I just measured the CL1B's roll-off of the high frequencies. It starts veeeery slowly at about 3500 hz resulting with -3,1 dB at end of the curve (20000hz).
Those hight frequencies are EXACTLY what was missing in shoot-outs with the hardware (stock tubes).
Update? Please! C'mon Softube!
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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OK! Now REALLY!!! This plug-in puzzles more and more every day...!
The only thing that i don't like about it is the roll-off of the highs. That's it!

But today i found out there's more going on...
This roll-off follows DAW's sample rate in a way that higher sample rates increase the roll-off.

Can someone please explain to me WHY?!

Examples:
Upper graph > 44,100 hz
Lower graph > 88,200 hz

Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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Sample rate is the amount of data tread in one clok pass the more you treat the more this effects seems to be big !!

Just a thought .....this is not an issue for me as i work mainly at 44100 and the small rool off is so natural that i, in fact want it ....
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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Sample rate is the amount of data tread in one clok pass the more you treat the more this effects seems to be big !!

Just a thought .....this is not an issue for me as i work mainly at 44100 and the small rool off is so natural that i, in fact want it ....

As far as I'm concerned I would rather see this plug-in without the low pass filter. It would sound more like the HW. There's no need for the intentional roll-off implementations. Even without it plug-ins always sounds duller than the HWs.

I work mainly at 88.2 khz and this bug bothers me a lot!
I mean...obviously it's a bug...right?
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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yep you're right ...depends on how you use it in fact ....this less agressive (low pass) than the FET and its lookahead thing ....
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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That's interesting, I'm curious too if this is a bug or not
I work 44.1 tho', i like the CL1B and I like the (slight at 44.1, would probably be too much looking at the graphic @ 88.2)
roll off that gives, I find it helping when ITB much more than - for example - the sizzle in the highs that the CLA2A gives
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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can you give us the settings you used for the graphs ....i mean witch "fixed", manual ...ect ....maybe one specific default setting causes that ....
+1 retinal
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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can you give us the settings you used for the graphs ....i mean witch "fixed", manual ...ect ....maybe one specific default setting causes that ....
Doesn't matter which settings...the result is always the same.
Old 28th January 2011 | Show parent
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mmm strange ......have you contacted softube support ?
Old 29th January 2011 | Show parent
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mmm strange ......have you contacted softube support ?
Have not and will NOT!!! I'm sick and tired of this plug-in. Look how much I've talked about it... Softube must be sick and tired of me too i guess

If they wanted to hear me or other people about the roll-off they would so far. I know, this new discovery of mine is a bug but still it's the cherry on the top for me...

At least now I know why I felt so disappointed with the 88,2 khz work. All the mud was from the CL1B. I'm saving my money for the real stuff
No hope for plug-ins...apart from a few.
Old 29th January 2011 | Show parent
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do the same test at 96 k just to see .....
Old 29th January 2011 | Show parent
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do the same test at 96 k just to see .....
I did...It's the same as the 88.2.
Old 29th January 2011 | Show parent
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Old 29th January 2011 | Show parent
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Have somebody else reproduced it ?
Old 29th January 2011 | Show parent
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Have somebody else reproduced it ?
Try it yourself ...like THIS
Old 1st February 2011 | Show parent
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As far as I'm concerned I would rather see this plug-in without the low pass filter. It would sound more like the HW. There's no need for the intentional roll-off implementations. Even without it plug-ins always sounds duller than the HWs.

I work mainly at 88.2 khz and this bug bothers me a lot!
I mean...obviously it's a bug...right?

Yup. It's a bug. Really embarrassing... The CL 1B does have a roll-off, but it shouldn't be that low down. The 44.1 and 48 versions are correct. We will definitely fix it, and we plan to release a bunch of updates within short (couple of weeks).

Sorry about that guys, but thanks for noticing it!

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Look how much I've talked about it... Softube must be sick and tired of me too i guess
No worries, we're not tired of you yet

/niklas
Old 1st February 2011 | Show parent
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We will definitely fix it, and we plan to release a bunch of updates within short (couple of weeks).
It's nice to hear that!
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