Cloning an iLok
Old 16th July 2009
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Cloning an iLok

Has any computer genius out there figured out how to clone / duplicate an iLok? It would be the best way to be able to back-up licenses. There MUST be a way.
Old 16th July 2009
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Has any computer genius out there figured out how to clone / duplicate an iLok? It would be the best way to be able to back-up licenses. There MUST be a way.
This is against the terms of service. You may not duplicate an individual license.

Purchase Zero down time.

You are, of course, more than welcome to buy multiple licenses for backup purposes.
Old 16th July 2009
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Hmmm. I heard that its not that simple and that some licenses are unrecoverable unless the original vendor or plugin manufacturer is involved. I have some important licenses purchased second-hand. Do you work for iLok? Sounds like you do.
Old 16th July 2009
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Purchase Zero down time.
this is the way.

for all the badmouthing of ilok's it saved my life in a crash.

I wish ALL my software authorizations were on an ilok. it's just cleaner than having to find/restore all the various kinds of auth schemes, challenges, etc.

and with zero downtime I'm double protected. I actually think it's smart. It's also ONE DONGLE for EVERYTHING... Amen.

What I love about ilok is that I don't have to "deuthorize" something before a crash! I mean - if I knew I was going to have a crash that was going to kill a license... I'd be pyschic... This is especially problematic when changing hardware or CPU.
Old 16th July 2009
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still no confirmation if it works with absolutely all of my licenses, regardless of manufacturer or origin. just trying to wrap my head around this dispelling any myths / badmouthing.
Old 16th July 2009
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This is against the terms of service. You may not duplicate an individual license.

Purchase Zero down time.

You are, of course, more than welcome to buy multiple licenses for backup purposes.
Mayor is correct on this one.

The best solution:

DON'T BUY DONGLED SOFTWARE!!
Old 16th July 2009
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still no confirmation if it works with absolutely all of my licenses, regardless of manufacturer or origin. just trying to wrap my head around this dispelling any myths / badmouthing.
I do not work for iLok.

I had a great experience when my iLok got broken while on tour using a Venue system. Had my liscenses back on my spare iLok extremely fast.

I do not know for sure but I believe ALL LISCENSES are supported.

Perhaps the best way would be to get the information straight from the horses mouth...

https://www.ilok.com/cgi-bin/WebObje.../19/wa/Support
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Old 16th July 2009
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I do not know for sure but I believe ALL LISCENSES are supported.
ok thanks. looks like this is the bottom line and it leaves definite grey areas.
from the ilok legal jargon:

"
  • Temporary and replacement licenses for products not covered by Zero Downtime cannot be provided by the Zero Downtime system. Any temporary or permanent license replacement must be obtained from the associated software vendor.
  • PACE provides no guarantees regarding which products are supported by Zero Downtime."
gonna write them an email about policy regarding second-hand licenses.
Old 16th July 2009
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I respectfully disagree. The ilok saved me so much time and hassle after I had a catastrophic drive failure.

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Mayor is correct on this one.
The best solution:
DON'T BUY DONGLED SOFTWARE!!
Old 16th July 2009
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The ilok saved me so much time and hassle after I had a catastrophic drive failure.
Are you meaning to say after catastrophic ilok failure? I don't understand how a drive failure can affect licenses that are on an ilok
Old 16th July 2009
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Are you meaning to say after catastrophic ilok failure? I don't understand how a drive failure can affect licenses that are on an ilok
Because all you have to do with a drive failure is reinstall the plugs and plug in your ilok and you are good to go. You don't have to deal with authorizing each plug individually, doing challenge responses, etc, etc... I like the ilok because I work on multiple computers and I can just grab my plug auths and take them with me.

It is pretty obvious why you can't duplicate them...
Old 17th July 2009
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Gotcha! I was taking your post as indicating the ilok protection helped out, but I agree with you on dongled software. I love the ilok. It's annoying to have to keep track of your serial numbers, I do wish I could put everything on my ilok
Old 18th July 2012
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Anyone got any more info on this, I pay for all my software, and love thee ilok system, but i want a dup so that I don't have to carry/loose them
Old 18th July 2012
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Personally I'd like to see them all switch to a system like waves has adopted. That way I could put all my licenses on one dongle of my own choice. I pay for my software but would rather not have to pay ilok on top of that. Especially annual fees in order to not have to worry about ilok malfunction holding up my work. ilok has always felt a little scammy to me because of that. I think the system Waves has gone with is the future. Same idea but we can use our USB flash drive of choice or have the licences on line.
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Old 18th July 2012
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ok thanks. looks like this is the bottom line and it leaves definite grey areas.
from the ilok legal jargon:

"
  • Temporary and replacement licenses for products not covered by Zero Downtime cannot be provided by the Zero Downtime system. Any temporary or permanent license replacement must be obtained from the associated software vendor.
  • PACE provides no guarantees regarding which products are supported by Zero Downtime."
gonna write them an email about policy regarding second-hand licenses.

Interesting... why should anyone get ZDT, when not ALL licenses are covered?

Found this on iLok.com
-) 14-Day temporary licenses are immediately deposited into your iLok.com account for all eligible products seen on your iLok's last update with iLok.com. Once we receive your Broken iLok, your licenses are recovered and permanent replacement licenses are deposited into your iLok.com account.

-) License replacement for Lost or Stolen iLoks is handled by the software publisher directly.

Now ZDT sounds more like a scam. How can I rely on this service with those rules?
Old 18th July 2012
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iLok has it's pros & cons, but I think ZDT should be compulsory with every purchase for an small incidental fee per license, for when an iLok is stolen, melted, smashed, failed, or whatever could happen to a cheap plastic key with an definite shelf life for data; and not like an insurance premium.

They should also allow a simple iLok image to be downloaded and flashed to any USB stick with a serial number (like Plugin Alliance), and not force the user to beg every company whom a license was purchased from when disaster strikes.

Imagine losing your drivers license that you paid several thousand dollars for because your car key broke or was dropped in a pond, all while the thieves get to drive your car around until you pony up and pay all over again. It doesn't make sense.
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Interesting... why should anyone get ZDT, when not ALL licenses are covered?


-) License replacement for Lost or Stolen iLoks is handled by the software publisher directly.

Now ZDT sounds more like a scam. How can I rely on this service with those rules?
If your studio gets burgled or you lose your equipment at a gig this is handled by your insurance company, same things with iLoks.
Old 18th July 2012
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If your studio gets burgled or you lose your equipment at a gig this is handled by your insurance company, same things with iLoks.
Sure, the insurance will handle the costs. But if you get the license again as soon as possible is in ZDT's case up to the software publisher. I don't like the idea to pay and still not know if my plugins are covered.

And like in my case, 2 weeks ago, where I needed to wait 7 days for an approval, would make ZDT completely nonsense.

Of course a couple of weeks or maybe months later, when you get the money from your insurance, you could still rebuy all the plugins. But I wouldn't call that ZERO downtime
Old 18th July 2012
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Sure, the insurance will handle the costs. But if you get the license again as soon as possible is in ZDT's case up to the software publisher. I don't like the idea to pay and still not know if my plugins are covered.

And like in my case, 2 weeks ago, where I needed to wait 7 days for an approval, would make ZDT completely nonsense.

Of course a couple of weeks or maybe months later, when you get the money from your insurance, you could still rebuy all the plugins. But I wouldn't call that ZERO downtime
From the ilok website>

"For truly Zero Downtime, you can immediately download your temporary licenses to a spare iLok. If you don't have a spare, order one now."
Old 18th July 2012
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From the ilok website>

"For truly Zero Downtime, you can immediately download your temporary licenses to a spare iLok. If you don't have a spare, order one now."
Yeah it's just milking procedure.

I think Zero Down Time should be there right from the start for free.
Old 18th July 2012
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From the ilok website>

"For truly Zero Downtime, you can immediately download your temporary licenses to a spare iLok. If you don't have a spare, order one now."
So, why should I wait until the worst case occurs? I could buy 2 spare iLoks now, download them and I'm ready for all situations

That won't work. First you need to file the incident, THEN some software publishers will approve or NOT.

That's how I understand it, and I don't like it. Although that doesn't mean I won't buy other iLok plugs. I still think it's a great product. But ZDT is just a big fat lie.
Old 18th July 2012
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You are much better off buying real insurance for the replacement cost of the iLok. Make sure it covers theft, accidental damage and mysterious disappearance.

Lose your iLok? Stolen? Studio fire that melted it? File a claim. While you are waiting for the money, buy the replacements and put them on your spare iLok. That's not quite "zero" downtime, but it is close.
Old 18th July 2012
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Questions like this can be asked directly with Ilock... They are caring about their clients... And they will help battling downtime. It's their business... I resent questions like this asked there in this manner. This shows no respect... I never ever heard of people with broken Ilocks losing anything... The people of Ilock have a backup of your data and can help you very fast...

I do not own any ilock stuff but dealt with it very frequently. And the people are caring. Whatever happens when Ilock stops I dunno... But what happens when the sky falls down?
Old 19th July 2012
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Questions like this can be asked directly with Ilock... They are caring about their clients... And they will help battling downtime. It's their business... I resent questions like this asked there in this manner. This shows no respect... I never ever heard of people with broken Ilocks losing anything... The people of Ilock have a backup of your data and can help you very fast...

I do not own any ilock stuff but dealt with it very frequently. And the people are caring. Whatever happens when Ilock stops I dunno... But what happens when the sky falls down?
That sounds great. But when I needed their help I couldn't even find a contact form... maybe I was just too dumb to find it. Hope you can point us to the page, where customers can get in touch with them.
Old 19th July 2012
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Yeah it's just milking procedure.

I think Zero Down Time should be there right from the start for free.
By "free" you mean "included in the purchase price right? So in other words, you'd rather pay more up front than have the choice.

Because nothing is free....you realize that, yes?
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Old 19th July 2012
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How about iLok.com/Support/Broken,Lost,or Stolen iLoks - then file a report?

Almost too easy to find...

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That sounds great. But when I needed their help I couldn't even find a contact form... maybe I was just too dumb to find it. Hope you can point us to the page, where customers can get in touch with them.
Old 19th July 2012
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How about iLok.com/Support/Broken,Lost,or Stolen iLoks - then file a report?

Almost too easy to find...
That's true for stolen iLoks. Try to get in touch, when you have a question about transering a license, where the FAQ doesn't cover your question.

I want to transfer a license that requires an approval. Who does this approval?
Some software publishers require their approval prior to a License Transfer for a license for their products being processed.

Only the software publisher can provide the approval. We cannot do the approval or reverse your License Transfer request.

You can check on the status of a pending request by signing in. Any pending approvals will be displayed toward the top of the 'Manage Licenses > iLoks & Licenses' page. The name of the software publisher can also be found there.

I was waiting 4 days for an approval, then tried to get in touch with iLok, because the plugins didn't work meanwhile

The answer from Support | Licenses & Codes | Transfer lic's to another account | Licenses that require approval :

Related Topics (FAQ)
How do I move licenses between my iLoks?
Can I copy my licenses to another iLok (not move them)?
How do I transfer licenses to another user?


It's just a mere blablabla... no help at all, plus no chance to get individual support via phone or trouble tickets. So I went to pace.com, and the only email I found was from sales. So I wrote an email. After 3 weeks, still no answer.

"Gladly" after 7 days I received the approval. That's just a shabby customer service. I'm missing a real contact possibility. Imagine how it would be with ZDT and you run in a situation, where the FAQs don't help
Old 19th July 2012
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Must admit I have my issues with iLoks and PACE.
Main one is why the hell they dont support chrome firefox etc?
I my have mentioned this before, but it pisses me off that I have to rummage out an elderly laptop which actually has a version of IE on it in order to do anything maintenance-wise on their site.
Old 19th July 2012
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this zero down time was ajoke when i read the 14 dayz Temporay licences !!

I 'm happy to buy plugins that are already w....zed for this particulary type of issue !!

Anyway i will have to deal with the suppliers ..so i handle everything on my own ...
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Questions like this can be asked directly with Ilock... They are caring about their clients... And they will help battling downtime. It's their business... I resent questions like this asked there in this manner. This shows no respect... I never ever heard of people with broken Ilocks losing anything... The people of Ilock have a backup of your data and can help you very fast...

I do not own any ilock stuff but dealt with it very frequently. And the people are caring. Whatever happens when Ilock stops I dunno... But what happens when the sky falls down?
I do own ilok stuff and don't look forward to the next time I have a problem with it. The last time I had a problem they were WAY the opposite of caring. They made it pretty clear to me they did not care for me. They did suggest I buy another ilok and pay some sort of $100 fee or something on top. This was years ago now but they treated me with such little respect I've got a bad taste from them in my mouth still. If I had the choice I wouldn't use ilok at all. Unfortunately I still have some software I need that uses it. When asked I do let companies know that as a customer I would severely prefer other options to ilok.

In my case if there are two companies with competing products and there are no other major deciding factors I'll choose the one that does not use ilok. I hope eventually I will finally be able to rid my life of ilok. Unfortunately for now they are just one more necessary evil.
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