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Old 18th January 2008
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that's interesting. haha
Old 18th January 2008
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It's not that hot...

Domain registered on 08-Jun-2005... so nothing new to expect right now.
Old 18th January 2008
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It's not that hot...

Domain registered on 08-Jun-2005... so nothing new to expect right now.
Man they've been struggling with this for a long time...
Old 18th January 2008
  #244
Competition is hotting up!

I think UA need to get a move on, as there's now Duende Mini (half price of the original) and the Powercore x 8 (twice the power of the original). Plus Liquid Mix now has more power also!

Although apart from duende I'm not sure the quality iof the plugs stand up, and all these DSP's have their own compatibility issues.
Old 18th January 2008
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I wanted to buy UAD plugs two years ago but was turned off by the weak cards.

UA might follow Line6's lead here (no, I'm not comparing the quality of their respective software)

Owners of L6 hardware (e.g. Pod, etc.) use it as a dongle and run GearBox native...so as computing power grows you can run more plugs. You're not limited by the hardware.

If UA ditched the idea of hardware processing I'd buy their plugins in a heartbeat. And they should do something like L6 too when it comes to the 'dongle' -- obviously, the pod is a lot more than just a dongle (love it or hate it) and the L6 Monkey software is good for updates, etc....

It just seems crazy for UA to stubbornly continue on this course. So many people love the sound of their plugs and yet so many (loyal customers) are becoming really hostile at the company.
Old 18th January 2008
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My first post here - been hanging around for a while but never cared to register. Until now.

I am also very sorry that there is no new UAD cards presented, even if I still am hoping for one to presented during NAMM, but I would never hesitate to buy an UAD card even if its old.

I updated the studio computer a few months ago to a Mac Pro from a G5 and the first thing that was ordered was 2 new UAD-1 cards. I use them on a lot of things together with hardware and other software like Waves, Sonalksis, Powercore and URS. But in my opinion they are just too good not to use. Even thou the cards are old.

But, I will for sure be the first one to order a new card the day they come.

D.
Old 18th January 2008
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I wanted to buy UAD plugs two years ago but was turned off by the weak cards..
Me too....and I kept putting it off, believing UAD2 to be around the corner, then 6 months ago I bought 2 UAD cards for an album, and love them! If they became obsolete tomorrow, they've paid for themselves, and I've still got great plugs to play (oops - work) with.
Old 18th January 2008
  #248
Problem is, I have a MacPro and i've already used 2 of my 3 pcie slots UAD1 isn't an option. If I had 5 slots i'd buy 2 UAD-1s but its a waste of money to fill my only slot left with a card that doesn't have enough power for me. 2 UAD cards is almost a standard to get some real use out of the product. UAD isn't the only one to blame here. No one would complain if all Mac and PC machines came with 10 PCI slots, they'd just fill them up. but since most machines are limited in slots, you would think UAD would not limit the hardware's power; thats what doesn't make sense. I said i'd wait till NAMM before deciding what my next plugin move would be; but now i'm sure i'll just finish my waves collection (yeah, yeah waves policies suck), Duende mini probably, and TC x8.

Sorry UAD but you lose
Old 18th January 2008
  #249
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uad1 needs to be turned into a dongle.

and the price of the cards needs to drop.

computers are too powerful.
Old 18th January 2008
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Problem is, I have a MacPro and i've already used 2 of my 3 pcie slots UAD1 isn't an option. If I had 5 slots i'd buy 2 UAD-1s but its a waste of money to fill my only slot left with a card that doesn't have enough power for me. 2 UAD cards is almost a standard to get some real use out of the product. UAD isn't the only one to blame here. No one would complain if all Mac and PC machines came with 10 PCI slots, they'd just fill them up. ....
I don't know, even if I had 4 free PCIe slots, I still wouldn't buy UAD and it's derelict technology. I guess because I get on find without them, have never tried them and only know what I'm missing via user testimonials. I'm actually insulted that they aren't trying harder to get my money !! (Well not really).
Old 18th January 2008
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I just bought a UAD-1e card for my new Mac Pro. I hate to do it but I can't imagine not having the ability to use some of their plugins. I currently run 2 in a PC and that works OK. I would like to have more cards but don't want to deal with a magma chasis. I figure one card for the mac and some track freezing will get me by hoping that a more powerful solution comes out soon. The other good thing about UA is that with current promos and the credit that comes with the card, I am almost getting the card free with the purchase of a couple of plugs.
Old 18th January 2008
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Someone should just take the initiative and come up with a UAD-1 emulation that makes the plugins think you have a Card, but in actuality it just using your host computer...Then we'd be limited to the processing of our comps like native plugins.

Bobby Peru
Milwaukee, WI
Old 18th January 2008
  #253
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I don't think's that easy. In fact I bet it's pretty complicated.

OTOH it would be a crack so...
Old 18th January 2008
  #254
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Universal Audio has announced new plug-in partners and forthcoming additions to the DSP Platform for Mac and PC. Valley People (US), Sound Performance Lab (Germany) and Empirical Labs (US) join Roland (Japan) and Neve (UK) as the latest companies to sign licensing deals with UA to develop future plug-ins for the popular DSP platform which features the leading plug-in analog hardware emulations in the industry.
Matt Ward, President of Universal Audio, told us, "I think our users will be elated by the latest partner additions to our portfolio of premium quality plug-ins. The UAD DSP platform has successfully established itself not only as a secure platform to do plug-in business for our partners, but also the best-sounding platform for hardware emulations in the business at any price.”
Mike Barnes, VP Marketing for Universal Audio, had this to add, “UA has been listening loud and clear to our thousands of loyal users and we are committed to evolving the UAD product family, delivering the best value DSP platform and broadening our select plug-in suite so that the UAD continues to set the benchmark as the best in-the-box mixing and mastering solution available for AU/VST/RTAS DAW users."
UA also announced improved 2008 world-wide retail pricing on select UAD products. They say that the following UAD bundles now offer even greater per plug-in value:

UAD-1 Ultra PAK (PCI) moves from US$1199 to US$999 street price
UAD-1e Expert PAK (PCIe) moves from US$999 to US$749 street price
UAD Platform Partners/Plug-Ins:

Empirical Labs (US) - Forthcoming Fatso plug-in mid-late 2008
Neve(UK) : 1073, 1081, 33609, 88RS, future plug-ins TBA
Roland(Japan) - RE-201 Space Echo, Dimension D, CE-1, future plug-ins TBA
Sound Performance Lab (Germany) - Transient Designer, future plug-ins TBA
Valley People (US) - future plug-ins TBA
Old 18th January 2008
  #255
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Besides developing a new card, I wish they would improve some of their original plugins. While the LA2A and 1176 sound great, they could sound a little closer to the original with the amount of research UAD has performed over the years

Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait.
Old 18th January 2008
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Firewire is just not going to handle the traffic for 4 cards worth of realworld DSP use. It's just not. There are unavoidable technical reasons for my statement.

ExpressCard, at a minimum.
Sounds good...get it done UAD.

On another note - I'm interested to hear their FATSO plug. I have the hardware version and will have to compare and contrast. :p
Old 18th January 2008
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"UA has been listening loud and clear to our thousands of loyal users"

I think that's open to debate heh
Old 18th January 2008
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"UA has been listening loud and clear to our thousands of loyal users"

I think that's open to debate heh

+++1
Old 18th January 2008
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"UA has been listening loud and clear to our thousands of loyal users"
LOL heh
Old 18th January 2008
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LOL heh
Old 19th January 2008
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ewegogetemtiger, man, that's the first laugh i've gotten out of of a UAD thread since i can remember!

very funny, fair play!

as you were,

bah,

humbug,

etc.
Old 19th January 2008
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Mike Barnes, VP Marketing for Universal Audio, had this to add, “UA has been listening loud and clear to our thousands of loyal users"
I thought this comment was funny until I found a very rare pic of Mike Barnes VP and that is when I had my "AHA" moment heh
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Old 19th January 2008
  #263
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Maybe they see the 8 processor Macs and see no reason for a UAD2.

It's funny. People slam PT HD because it employs DSP cards, citing that the new Macs make them obsolete. Yet, people want new video cards to accelerate processing of audio from UAD, to be used on systems with more latency, blah, blah.
Old 19th January 2008
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Matt Ward, President of Universal Audio, told us, "I think our users will be elated by the latest partner additions to our portfolio of premium quality plug-ins.
Yeah, everyone posting here seems really elated....How soon will we have a plug that needs two cards just to run one instance?
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Mike Barnes, VP Marketing for Universal Audio, had this to add, “UA has been listening loud and clear to our thousands of loyal users and we are committed to evolving the UAD product family, delivering the best value DSP platform and broadening our select plug-in suite so that the UAD continues to set the benchmark as the best in-the-box mixing and mastering solution available for AU/VST/RTAS DAW users."
Matt and Mike can kiss my ass. No money for you!
Old 19th January 2008
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Originally Posted by Wiggum, Ralph View Post
Besides developing a new card, I wish they would improve some of their original plugins. While the LA2A and 1176 sound great, they could sound a little closer to the original with the amount of research UAD has performed over the years

Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait.
+1!
Old 19th January 2008
  #266
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Originally Posted by peeder View Post
Hey I came up with a workaround for UAD on Firewire.

We can do 64 ins and outs on Fw400 as Duende displays. The problem is that UAD is made up of tons of little plugins that each receive and send audio independently. Each one uses up an i/o pair and incurs processing delay.

So what they could do is make a combinator plugin for UAD. This would allow you to create entire processing chains...say 1176 into LA2A into 1081 into Plate 140...and have them appear as a single plugin in the DAW. It would be a plugin container like NI KORE or something. It would also help setting up presets. Reason added the combinator tech in 3.0 and that was immensely popular. It would also help situations like PTLE where you only have 5 insert points to work with on a track.

Then the routing between them would be done on-chip on the UAD processor. You wouldn't be able to insert non-UAD plugins inside a combinator, but you could always have two UAD combinators on a single track with host-based plugins between them if you had to.

This would allow you to use the full processing power of UAD on 64 channels per firewire 400 bus. If firewire scales linearly, that would be 128 channels per firewire 800 bus. Firewire cards are cheap, and who knows, there could even be demand for a card that offers 2 or 4 busses on a single card to expand total bandwidth.

Anyway, when there's a will, there's a way...
ONe step ahead of you pal!
Take a look:
http://www.chrismilne.com/uadforums/...hainer Plug-in
Old 19th January 2008
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OK, so I wrote a disgruntled email to the marketing department at UAD and actually received quite a lengthy response.. Please read on..

> Hi there,
>
> I speak on behalf of hundreds if not thousands of other people here,
> and I'm sure I'm not the first to write this, but when the hell are
> you going to release a UAD-2 card!!!???
> I love your plug-ins (who doesn't), but sold the cards well over a
> year ago due to the pitiful power of them, especially when your plug-
> ins are getting as processor heavy as you go down the track with
> newer/better algorithms.
> You are losing a LOT of business here. How hard can it be to update
> a 7 year old DSP card?
> To make maters worse, no one from the company will give any
> information about future plans for the platform. As popular as the
> UAD is, I struggle to comprehend where you guys are coming from..
>
> Disgruntled EX customer,
> Jonny

Hi Jonathan,

Like many other companies (such as Apple) it is our general policy not
to pre-announce technology or new products within 12 weeks of them
being available to buy those products in worldwide stores. Why is
this? Business 101! Tthis would put not only our development team but
international retail and business partners under unnecessary pressure
and creates logistics issues such as manufacturing forecasting and
inventory management. It also creates expectations that we cannot
guarantee delivery on. Until we are certain within one quarter when we
can deliver a reliable new product of any kind (analog, digital or
software), we don't communicate that to the wider market.

New partners are signing up for the UAD platform ( now why would they
do this if it was really outdated and headed nowhere?) and we have
confirmed we will be expanding the product family.

http://www.uaudio.com/news/releases/partners.html

No amount of rampant speculation will speed up or slow down our
product development process, but I can simply assure you we are
investing substantially in the future of UAD behind the scenes and
when the time is right to give more details on that to our customers,
we of course will. In the meantime, the UAD-1 even today remains the
best value, most stable and reliable x-platform DSP solution available
with the highest quality and best value plug-ins.

It is testament to the price vs quality and design that UAD-1 has had
a long and successful life and that other companies are only recently
entering the space that we pioneered (Focusrite, SSL, Waves) with
products that offer few advantages of UAD-1 (and are nearly all more
limited in what type of plug-ins they can run) even all this time
later. You will likely never see a reverb running on a Duende because
its memory architecture is limited.

If it was that "easy" wouldn't they be introducing 10 times more
powerful products at half the price and a competing plug-library? No-
because it takes years of development, experience and technical
expertise and investment to build this kind of product at a price the
market can afford.

I am 110% confident that customers both new to UAD and long-time UAD
customers will have plenty to smile about in the fullness of time. You
can of course choose to believe in UA or not, but we have consistently
delivered the best quality award-winning audio products in the
industry because many of us here are all experienced users ourselves
with a passion to "get it right" and our plan is to certainly continue
to grow on that winning formula.

We hope you'll stay onboard to see that time arrive!

;-)

Best Regards,


VP Of Marketing
Recording Academy, ASCAP, NARAS Member
www.uaudio.com
Analog Ears | Digital Minds
Old 19th January 2008
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Originally Posted by jonnypowell View Post
OK, so I wrote a disgruntled email to the marketing department at UAD and actually received quite a lengthy response.. Please read on..

> Hi there,
>
> I speak on behalf of hundreds if not thousands of other people here,
> and I'm sure I'm not the first to write this, but when the hell are
> you going to release a UAD-2 card!!!???
> I love your plug-ins (who doesn't), but sold the cards well over a
> year ago due to the pitiful power of them, especially when your plug-
> ins are getting as processor heavy as you go down the track with
> newer/better algorithms.
> You are losing a LOT of business here. How hard can it be to update
> a 7 year old DSP card?
> To make maters worse, no one from the company will give any
> information about future plans for the platform. As popular as the
> UAD is, I struggle to comprehend where you guys are coming from..
>
> Disgruntled EX customer,
> Jonny

Hi Jonathan,

Like many other companies (such as Apple) it is our general policy not
to pre-announce technology or new products within 12 weeks of them
being available to buy those products in worldwide stores. Why is
this? Business 101! Tthis would put not only our development team but
international retail and business partners under unnecessary pressure
and creates logistics issues such as manufacturing forecasting and
inventory management. It also creates expectations that we cannot
guarantee delivery on. Until we are certain within one quarter when we
can deliver a reliable new product of any kind (analog, digital or
software), we don't communicate that to the wider market.

New partners are signing up for the UAD platform ( now why would they
do this if it was really outdated and headed nowhere?) and we have
confirmed we will be expanding the product family.

Universal Audio | News & Press | Press Releases

No amount of rampant speculation will speed up or slow down our
product development process, but I can simply assure you we are
investing substantially in the future of UAD behind the scenes and
when the time is right to give more details on that to our customers,
we of course will. In the meantime, the UAD-1 even today remains the
best value, most stable and reliable x-platform DSP solution available
with the highest quality and best value plug-ins.

It is testament to the price vs quality and design that UAD-1 has had
a long and successful life and that other companies are only recently
entering the space that we pioneered (Focusrite, SSL, Waves) with
products that offer few advantages of UAD-1 (and are nearly all more
limited in what type of plug-ins they can run) even all this time
later. You will likely never see a reverb running on a Duende because
its memory architecture is limited.

If it was that "easy" wouldn't they be introducing 10 times more
powerful products at half the price and a competing plug-library? No-
because it takes years of development, experience and technical
expertise and investment to build this kind of product at a price the
market can afford.

I am 110% confident that customers both new to UAD and long-time UAD
customers will have plenty to smile about in the fullness of time. You
can of course choose to believe in UA or not, but we have consistently
delivered the best quality award-winning audio products in the
industry because many of us here are all experienced users ourselves
with a passion to "get it right" and our plan is to certainly continue
to grow on that winning formula.

We hope you'll stay onboard to see that time arrive!

;-)

Best Regards,


VP Of Marketing
Recording Academy, ASCAP, NARAS Member
Universal Audio | News & Press | Front Page News
Analog Ears | Digital Minds

Way to go Johnny

I think UAD's approach to communication is seriously flawed. I own and operate my own business, and contrary to Mr Barnes assertion that it is business 101, they have chosen one choice or business strategy out of an endless list of alternative strategies that could have been used.

This reply from Mike Barnes (VP of Marketing) could have, and most definitely, should have been addressed on their forums quite some time ago, it is only common courtesy. It is ignorant to sit by with absolutely nothing to say to a vocal group of power users who were asking FOR ANY TINY BIT of acknowledgement to their concerns. In this day and age of access to information, responses to an already fragmented user base (engineers) need to be more effective than simply ignoring.

Much bigger companies than Universal and even Apple have fallen becuase they have been slow to adapt or address the core concerns of the customer base. Universals approach comes across as both arrogant and much like their current UAD cards, outdated. This approach creates resentment and if and when an equal technology presents itslef, you have a user base who will be eager to thumb their nose at the company that just flat out ignored them.- I have seen this happen first hand in other industries.

I was unaware of UAD's position on refusing to discuss developments until they are sure that they can be ready three months out from completion. I just thought that they were either ignorant, arrogant or possibly going out of business. ARROGANCE or even the appearance of arrogance is not how you want to treat your user base.

Mike Barnes,

If you are by chance reading this fourm, do yourself and most importantly your customers a favour and stop ignoring your users on issues that concern them. It is an old and outdated way to manage your business and you will eventually pay the price for it. Post a response on your companies forum similar to the one you wrote above and you will do a world of good to the people who are largely responsible to giving you a job. Don't wase a moment longer, just do it, peace and goodnight.
Old 19th January 2008
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I followed the link to the 'petition' on the UA forum. Am I wrong or does the company actually go out of its way to avoid communicating with those guys? That petition has been on there for a long time and the silence from the other end is deafening.
Old 19th January 2008
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Hey True North the correct lyric for the Beck song in your sig is "In the TIME of chimpanzees I was a monkey".

I'm a lyric geek and I really like that song
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