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Logic 8 is out ... what now Digi ? Audio Interfaces
Old 15th September 2007
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Don't forget to add multi-track beat detective and at least 24 i/o @96k!
And throw in MPK and call it PT8. Then it will be competitive.
L8 has many creative tools that PT lacks but they can
make up for it by throwing in all the above.
I would totally use both systems.
Old 15th September 2007
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In order for this to be an apples-to-apples comparison you'd have to compare LE to Logic Express and you'd still have to add Strike, Structure, Xpand!, Hybrid, an amp modeler, the Music Produciton Toolkit, etc. How much is LE at that point?

Logic Express / Apogee Duet: $700

PTLE/Mbox 2 Mini: $300
Music Production Toolkit (including Hybrid): $500
Structure: $450
Velvet: $225
Strike: $285
XPand!: free
Amplitube: $320

You get the point.

You can't fit LE with enough options to compare it to Logic Pro, even if you add the $1200 DV toolkit. The track limitation and lack of PDC in LE will get you every time, as will distributed computing in Logic.
Old 15th September 2007
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I don't know why in the world ADC is such a big deal for you guys.

How many albums were done on 24 and MIX systems? No ADC there.

You can make it work, it just takes that... work.
Old 15th September 2007
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How many albums were done on 24 and MIX systems? No ADC there.
Weren't most of those albums mixed analog anyway, with PT just serving as a digital 'tape' deck?

ADC IS a big deal for ITB mixing. Sure there are workarounds, but they're also workflow killers.
Old 15th September 2007
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I don't know why in the world ADC is such a big deal for you guys.

How many albums were done on 24 and MIX systems? No ADC there.

You can make it work, it just takes that... work.
So the conclusion then is use PT le its takes more work is more expensive and has no smooth upgrade available.
Old 15th September 2007
  #96
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I think it's interesting how Apple packaged Logic Studio.
So aside from the App update, most of that other stuff has been for sale for a while now.
I like that kind of thinking, well we made our $$ selling Jam Packs, softsynths etc., now let's just bundle everything we got with the new app.
So if Digi was to follow that direction all the plugs they've made previous $$$ from should just be included with the update.
Hmm do we see that gonna happen?
Ya right!
My Logic 8 update has been ordered.
Later
Old 15th September 2007
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I believe the correct answer to the question the OP posted is;

WHO CARES?!
Old 16th September 2007
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Personally I am interested. Although might wait for Logic 8.5 or 9 to come out to show they are looking at being pro-active in updates. How long ago did Logic 7 come out. I think Apple is trying to get some computer sales. Cubase/Nuendo users are moving to PC, Pro Tools users are moving to PC. DP is a cool program although not that big of market share. So you need a reason to buy a Mac. I prefer Mac's myself although most of my friends will not buy them.
I agree Digi probably needs to get there head out of the sand and either fix up LE or have something in between. Or drop the price for HD cards/hardware
Old 16th September 2007
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I believe the correct answer to the question the OP posted is;

WHO CARES?!
DING DING DING! We have a winner!
Old 16th September 2007
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Cubase/Nuendo users are moving to PC, Pro Tools users are moving to PC.
Steinberg users have always been predominately PC users. Every once in a while you'd see Cubase on a Mac, but not often.

I don't know of a single Pro Tools user who went from Mac to PC.
Old 16th September 2007
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...One thing, no one, I mean no one, can deny Digi has the best editing. I will be getting Logic though. haha
Quite a bold statement. I myself sit in front of PT HD and LE everyday and have been for the past 8 years. Since it's my day job, I have to move super fast when it comes to editing. One thing's for certain though, my editing even in an a DAW like Reaper is WAY faster than in PT. And I avoid "mousing around" like the plague. If something can be done with shortcuts, then it makes my job faster. Time is money, and there is no way I'm gonna make a client sit through real time bounces of Midi instruments or do "comps" using the "voicing" method in HD etc. Digi does not have the best editing and that can be demonstrated. Beat Detective, yes, everything else, no. And yes, I'm a Digi fanboy, but if other tools come along that make my job faster, then I'll use them.

I myself am also looking forward to putting my hands on Logic 8 and adding it to my workflow.

It's reasons like this, that are making people jump ship.

Shane
Old 16th September 2007
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I don't know why in the world ADC is such a big deal for you guys.

How many albums were done on 24 and MIX systems? No ADC there.

You can make it work, it just takes that... work.
If it wasn't a big deal we wouldn't have pressured Digi to create it in HD.

I will NEVER go back to not having ADC.
Old 16th September 2007
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Originally Posted by Tibbon View Post
I don't know why in the world ADC is such a big deal for you guys.

How many albums were done on 24 and MIX systems? No ADC there.

You can make it work, it just takes that... work.
hahahaha!!!
rotflmao!

nothing like a PT user to tell us why we should be so happy with digi limitations....


yeah , sure... i could take longer to mix, if i had the time...

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If it wasn't a big deal we wouldn't have pressured Digi to create it in HD.

I will NEVER go back to not having ADC.
Old 17th September 2007
  #104
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That was my post on the DUC that Shane linked to above.

Above all, I am having so much fun recording with Logic! I was drowning in errors with PTLE. I have so much to learn on Logic. But, I'm just plugging in and recording, and having a blast so far.
Old 17th September 2007
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That was my post on the DUC that Shane linked to above.

Above all, I am having so much fun recording with Logic! I was drowning in errors with PTLE. I have so much to learn on Logic. But, I'm just plugging in and recording, and having a blast so far.
ahh yes, having fun and making music.

Shane
Old 17th September 2007
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Logic Express / Apogee Duet: $700

PTLE/Mbox 2 Mini: $300
Music Production Toolkit (including Hybrid): $500
Structure: $450
Velvet: $225
Strike: $285
XPand!: free
Amplitube: $320

.
• What happens if you want a secong editing system and you already own HD?

• I know lots of guys buying Mbox's for Pre-prduction so they can bring tracks in the studio and start tracking

• Lots of people start tracking in Protools then do overdubs at home then go back to HD when they mix.

• Some people just don't need 48 tracks and all the instruments they just need a simple system without all the extra's

• Plus your kind of screwed if you don't own a Mac.
Old 17th September 2007
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• Plus your kind of screwed if you don't own a Mac.
Yes, you are. But hey, it was your decision.
Old 17th September 2007
  #108
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Yes, you are. But hey, it was your decision.
And a smart one at that!
Old 17th September 2007
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but that is the problem with all ADC implementations - or why does Cubase have the ADC enable/disable button on top of the project window?

best
Old 24th September 2007
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Apogee AD-16x $ 3250

Apogee DA-16x $ 3250

Apogee Symphony $ 1075

Apple Logic Pro 8 $ 499

Total $ 8074

not exactly a decision to be taken lightly ...
OMG, he forgot the mac itself:

Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
16GB (8 x 2GB)
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB (2 x dual-link DVI)

Subtotal: $10,541.00
+$ 8,074.00
Total $ 18, 615.00


Old 24th September 2007
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OMG, he forgot the mac itself:

Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
16GB (8 x 2GB)
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB (2 x dual-link DVI)

Subtotal: $10,541.00
+$ 8,074.00
Total $ 18, 615.00


A computer is needed in any daw thats why it was excluded i think. Then you really went over the top with 16 gig ram and 4 hardrives, extra graphics and the biggest model with 2 quad xeons @3 ghz.
Old 25th September 2007
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Then you really went over the top with 16 gig ram and 4 hardrives, extra graphics and the biggest model with 2 quad xeons @3 ghz.
LOL, well..there might be people who think they need it.
"I want to run 257 audiotracks, 1025 miditracks, 65 audio instruments,
with Waves SSL, URS strip Pro, and Altiverb on every audio-object,
all simultaneously, and with a 30% CPU-hit"
Trust me, I've actually heard requests like these!
Old 26th September 2007
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LOL, well..there might be people who think they need it.
"I want to run 257 audiotracks, 1025 miditracks, 65 audio instruments,
with Waves SSL, URS strip Pro, and Altiverb on every audio-object,
all simultaneously, and with a 30% CPU-hit"
Trust me, I've actually heard requests like these!
And what would that cost you in Pro Tools?

The person who said it was quite an investment was correct, but that would be true no matter which DAW you were using because it isn't the software that's costing you, it's the hardware. If you want the capabilities of HD or Symphony, you're going to pay for it.

Since I record with outboard instead of plugs, direct monitoring works fine and I've been able to avoid a large outlay for interfacing. Urei's, dbx's and such will hold their value a lot better than HD or Symphony. Taking that route made it an investment rather than an expense.
Old 26th September 2007
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Originally Posted by SUPADUPA View Post
Apogee AD-16x $ 3250

Apogee DA-16x $ 3250

Apogee Symphony $ 1075

Apple Logic Pro 8 $ 499

Total $ 8074

not exactly a decision to be taken lightly ...
Man thats scary.. but what the hell are commercial studios owners supposed to do when every tom nick and frank come in asking.. "well uhm.. do you got that pro tools stuff?"
Old 26th September 2007
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As far as post goes, Digi has nothing to worry about until Apple takes a serious look at how Logic and STP handle OMF imports.

I can't believe you cannot simply drag two adjacent files off of their mono tracks onto a new stereo track!
Old 26th September 2007
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I think that Apple should buy Avid and end this. Could be crazy, but just a thought. (And no, that would not turn Apple into a monopoly)
This is the worst idea ever. it's the same as saying "screw the local record store, i can get the same thing down the road... you know... the place that sells washing machines, big screen tvs, and vaccuum cleaners... alot cheaper too."

this is why indie stores have all but vanished. hate digi if you want... but they are only concerned with 2 industries (on the whole) music and film. apple does not give a sh*t about you or your industry. but, then again... i'm sure a solid 80% of you whining "last chance digi..." probably bought you mbox at guitar center. tutt
Old 26th September 2007
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I would definitely don't want to see Apple run the show. Logic 8 is great, but having to wait several years in-between versions of the leader? No thanks. The above poster also has a point in that Avid/Digidesign only have their two lines in audio and post. It's much healthier for the consumer that these kind of companies stay. It's simply good for competition, and competition is simply good for development.
Old 26th September 2007
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I would definitely don't want to see Apple run the show. Logic 8 is great, but having to wait several years in-between versions of the leader? No thanks. The above poster also has a point in that Avid/Digidesign only have their two lines in audio and post. It's much healthier for the consumer that these kind of companies stay. It's simply good for competition, and competition is simply good for development.
Old 26th September 2007
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I would definitely don't want to see Apple run the show. Logic 8 is great, but having to wait several years in-between versions of the leader? No thanks. The above poster also has a point in that Avid/Digidesign only have their two lines in audio and post. It's much healthier for the consumer that these kind of companies stay. It's simply good for competition, and competition is simply good for development.
+2

Definately a bad idea. I am already very much LESS than impressed with Apple's Customer care tech support on troubleshoot / bug issues.

Active tech support has been contracted out by apple (without payment!) to web forums like the excellent Sonikmatter and Big Blue Lounge.
Old 26th September 2007
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+2

Definately a bad idea. I am already very much LESS than impressed with Apple's Customer care tech support on troubleshoot / bug issues.

Active tech support has been contracted out by apple (without payment!) to web forums like the excellent Sonikmatter and Big Blue Lounge.
Tech support is covered by apple care AFAIK.

Edit:Apple - Support - AppleCare Professional Audio Support
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