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Old 21st August 2007
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I'm going to need to upgrade soon - which CPU?

So I'm looking at a few possible upgrades, and I'm not sure which CPU choice is best suited to music production (Cubase, Reason, Live). All can be purchased for about the same price.

1)
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 4x2.4ghz

2)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2x3ghz

3) AMD Athlon 64 Quad FX-72 4x2.8ghz


Specifically, I'd like to know if anyone has any recent experience that might shed light on the Intel vs AMD question. Also, I'd like to know how efficiently applications such as Cubase and Reason scale when moving from 2 cores to 4, particularly when using CPU hungry VSTs.
Old 21st August 2007
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cpu

I just got my 6600 running this week...

Rock solid with Cubase SX3 so far...

haven't got the cpu meter past 10 percent yet...

But i haven't pushed it THAT crazy yet....
Old 21st August 2007
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right now intel has the leg up when it comes to performance. Definitely go with the quad core if you can afford it
Old 21st August 2007
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The programs you use will use the 6850 better than the q6600. Faster speeds, fewer cores. See the ADK Benchmarks.
Old 21st August 2007
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Originally Posted by Hard2Hear View Post
The programs you use will use the 6850 better than the q6600. Faster speeds, fewer cores. See the ADK Benchmarks.
How do you figure that ? In all benchmarks (but one) the Q6700 outperforms any dualcore with quite a bit.
Old 22nd August 2007
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Anyone got a link for these benchmarks that are mentioned?
Old 22nd August 2007
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How do you figure that ? In all benchmarks (but one) the Q6700 outperforms any dualcore with quite a bit.
notice where it outperformed it at the lowest latency. meaning its better at low latency.

reason and live are not quad capable. Cubase is.

so its kind of a toss up.

someone who is sample heavy would benefit from the faster cpu speed and FSB speed.
considering most samples are not threaded. same for reason and live.

now someone using Cubase with heavy effects would benefit from the Quad better.


ideally you buy the Q6600 and over clock that sucker to the 1333 FSB.
or buy the real deal the QX6850. ($1200)

Scott
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Old 22nd August 2007
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Anyone got a link for these benchmarks that are mentioned?
Benchmarks for Pro Audio!
Old 22nd August 2007
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My q6600 runs all 4 cores during nuendo.Hardly any dual core can perform nuendo better.
Old 22nd August 2007
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...reason and live are not quad capable...
I thought Live 6 DID have multicore/multi CPU support?
Old 22nd August 2007
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dual core only not quad!

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Old 23rd August 2007
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So the Q6600 it is. re: the overclocking, it's been a long time since I've been enthusiastic enough about a PC to bother. What's the relative ease/stability of this CPU in terms of overclocking? If it's going to necessitate another couple hundred bucks in cooling, I'm more inclined to just buy a retail box, leave it stock and call it a day. If, on the other hand, it can be done without massive amounts of extra cooling required, then I might be game.
Old 23rd August 2007
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I run a 2.1 AMD Dual core proc overclocked to 2.6 and its stable and didnt require any additional cooling. Of course it depends on what kind of heat sink/fan/routing your already dealing with. I would think you could get a 2.8 proc to at least 3 with no problems at all.

Id go with the AMD.
Old 4th September 2007
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Ableton Live supports up to 8 cores

Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentSanchez
I thought Live 6 DID have multicore/multi CPU support?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcschild
dual core only not quad!

Scott
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I emailed this thread to Ableton Live tech support and received the following response:

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Hi David,

the information in the thread you quoted is wrong. Live DOES support
(currently) up to 8 cores.

Best,

Jörg Klußmann
Ableton Support
--
Old 4th September 2007
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sanchez.
you mentioned a retail box as a solution.
check out the acer quad core q660.
pretty decent for 900 buks.
loads of drive expandability n ports etc etc.

i'm an amd bloke , but its impressing me for the buks.
havent found a cheaper quad q6600.
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...gon=&langid=EN
but put xp on it.
n a second 80 buk 7200 rpm drive with 16 mb cache.
as always....caveat emptor n run your own tests like i'm doing
n see if it meets your needs.
just an idea.
Old 4th September 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drockfresh View Post
I emailed this thread to Ableton Live tech support and received the following response:

--
Hi David,

the information in the thread you quoted is wrong. Live DOES support
(currently) up to 8 cores.

Best,

Jörg Klußmann
Ableton Support
--
Just because it supports (runs on) 8 cores does'nt necessarily mean it uses all cores. I'm not saying either of you is wrong but sometimes they're a bit sneaky like that. I've seen that before.

Support octacores ? YES! Does it use all cores ? Hrmm no.
Old 4th September 2007
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I don't know if this is relevant to you anymore but...

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So the Q6600 it is. re: the overclocking, it's been a long time since I've been enthusiastic enough about a PC to bother. What's the relative ease/stability of this CPU in terms of overclocking? If it's going to necessitate another couple hundred bucks in cooling, I'm more inclined to just buy a retail box, leave it stock and call it a day. If, on the other hand, it can be done without massive amounts of extra cooling required, then I might be game.

The core 2's are really great overclockers. Most of the reviews I have read have made it seem that you are pretty much guranteed to get a Q6600 up to 3.0 ghz (1333FSB) with stock cooling. I have seen as high as 3.6ghz (1600FSB). These are stable speeds. (and there only about $300 right now).

A lot of the more recent motherboards can handle 400FSB with at most a BIOS update. The Q6600 has a multiplier of 9, so 9*400mhz=3.6ghz (this may require a aftermarket CPU fan). But what you can do if its not running stable or a little hot, you can bring the multiplier down to 8 which will give you 3.2Ghz.

There is no gurantee but I would feel pretty confident that one could achieve this with a nice $50 aftermarket fan.

The other benefit of running 400FSB is running your memory at 1:1 ratio with out a major hit on speed. 1:1 gives even more stability to your system. The downside of course is the slower speed but it's still running at 800mhz.

Because of the overclocking of the intels i say dfegadAMD (for now)



Disclaimer: I could be entirely wrong.
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