What do you all think about the Keith McMillen K-mix?
Seems to me to be pretty close in spec to the N12 (less 4 channels)

Apologies to rejuvinate an old (albeit amazingly valuable) thread/post but did this ever happen as Im considering buying another N12 to sit alongside my other (amazing workhorse) N12?

Hi, I'm not sure about this, but given the age of the N12, I would confirm with Yamaha support. I'm assuming firmware hasn't been updated in years, could that also be an issue? Good luck, hope it works out ;-)

I seem to recall someone setting that up and posting about in this long thread, but I could be wrong. Try a search here to see if anything comes up but here is the link to the procedure.
How to connect two N8/N12 series consoles to a DAW - n12 - n12/n8 - Mixers - Music Production Tools

Thanks soundrage, thats the kind of info Im after.. sadly my experience with Yamaha support in the current country Im in isnt too good. When I next see an N12 (hopefully nearby) Ill drop some money and let you know how I get on

It's a great piece of gear. If you ever have any questions let me know.

Hi all,

I haven't used my N12 for a couple of years, but now I have time again for producing music, I've unboxed it again. I reaaly still love it.

I found out that some new VST plugins are 64 bit only, and cubase 5 on my iMac is 32 bit. So I would like to upgrade my cubase, to the current version. Could this version still work with the N12. Does anybody successfully use it with Cubase 9 or 9.5 on a mac? (I think i have OSX 10.11)

thanks!

I'm not on a mac but I think your going to need to update the n12 firmware. Take look at the latest drivers to make sure they support your OS. Check this out if you haven't seen it...info on mac
Yamaha Steinberg FW Driver V1.7.4 for Mac OS X 10.9.5 - 10.11.x - Yamaha - Other European Countries

It's a "process" to update the firmware/driver etc. Carefully read through the documentation. Been a few years since I did it but it might be worth to go back through this thread and read some post's of guys updating.

Good luck! It's still a wonderful mixer. Can't imagine how happy I would be to have a new -n- series version with all updated converters, maybe motorized faders etc. But we'll never see it. Probably not much of a market for it I guess.

I've been using Cubase for 3 years, and I've had problems all the time, 50% from VST not works. One year I passed to Reaper, and I had no problem.

You are pleased with Cubase?

Yess i like cubase, in the first olace because I’m used to it. I started using it on my first computer, Atari ST, like maybe 20 years ago.

On my iMac it always run smoothly with cubase ai 4 and cubase studio 5, on windows I’ve had a lot of trouble. (Timing issues, distorted sounds etc)

But i ran all installers this weekend. In cubase 5 the input and output busses were a total mess. Bus 7 had to be mapped to input 1, in order to be able to send sound to fader 1 on the n12. It took some time to sort that out, and every time i started cubase i had to reselect my own presets for in and outputs again.

Than i found a nice upgrade offer (€9,99)for the original cubase ai 4 to cubase ai 9.5. A nice way to test how the new cubase can work with the n12. It works really good, no issues at all. So thanks !

The N12 impressed me enough that I still follow this thread, Yamaha was so close to being an alpha player

Hi all,

I just found a Yamaha n8 in pristine condition. I've been trying to make it work with my Windows 10 computer so I can use it with my Cubase 8.5. So far I could not make it work. I downloaded the drivers from the Yamaha website. The FW Driver is version 1.6.6, and the n Extension is version 1.7.2. It all included in a package called Tools for n 2.7.4 for Win 10 / 8.1 / 7 (64-bit).

So far I tried two Firewire PCI-e cards, one is the SIIG NN-E20012-S2 wich has a Texas Instruments chipset, and another generic card with a VIA chipset. None of them connected to the n8. When I start the n8 I can hear a sound just like when you connect a USB device in Windows, but when I open the Yamaha Steinber FW Driver UI does not show the n8 as connected. (See attached photo).

I was wondering if anybody here had this type of issue and how can it be solved. I would appreciate your help.

Thanks.

You may need to update the firmware. I run a SIIG PCI card on a Win 7 box that works good. I got a new PC and picked up a SIIG PCI-e card, may be the same one you have...have to take a look. My n12 is working with the new PC but I'm having all kinds of drop outs, stutters, all the bad stuff and haven't had time to lock myself away in the troubleshooting closet.

Thanks for the advice. I did managed to update the firmware to version 1.03 for Windows. No luck. I also did a hardware reset, and I still have the same issue.

I love that there are still guys here using the N12. Mine is still here, but I need to move to a bigger place, so I can use it for a home entertainment/auido mixer. If I can get it to still work in 5 years lol

I remember a long time ago, I needed help on the N1w and George gave me his number, I called him and we talked for hours about everything!

He taught me to make stem groups. Route them to channels on the N12 and link it up in Cubase. Turn monitor screen off. And then just tweak the low EQ cut on each channel. It was brilliant.

and adjust the sweet spot comp. That was important!

plsynths,

I checked it and I'm using the same SIIG card as you are. The n12 shows up on my system and it all appears good but I get static and drop outs. I check the system with Latency Monitor tool and all is good there. My n12 works OK on my Win7 box with the older PCI SIIG firewire card. I think I'm dealing with the quarks of Firewire and I don't have much patience for it. Sucks because the DA in these n series mixers is really good. It's without any question better than my Steinberg UR44. I can still use it on my 10 yr old Win7 box for some mixing.

I have no idea why your unit is not getting recognized. I think we are on our own but maybe someone at Yamaha could help. If I come up with any ideas I'll let you know.

Yeah George was a great guy! Talked at length with him too. He was passionate about these mixers but I think Yamaha really blew it bad on marketing them. I mean they didn't do much of anything. Really sad cause they are a joy to work on and now the only mixers that come out for recording just don't have the features these guys have.

I have finally had to update my 8 yoear old Mac and am left with a bunch of USB-C ports and no FireWire port for my N12. I get that most people daisy-chain adaptors. Is there one best solution as to what I need to buy?

Another thought - is it possible to completely swap out the FireWire interface to USB?

Sorry if these questions have been asked before.

pretty sure there's a usb-c to thunderbolt -> thunderbolt to firewire way to do what you want there.

I have a n12 and mr816csx running on mojave without issues. Actually haven't run the n12 yet since upgrading but never had any problems so long as I was on the latest firmware/driver.

Yes, there's an Apple Thunderbolt-to-FireWire-adapter and a Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2-adapter, those two does it, I'm using these on a MacBook Pro with an MR816x and an N12. I'm still on High Sierra but according to Steinberg the drivers should work on Mojave, see macOS 10.14 Mojave: Steinberg Hardware Compatibility – Steinberg Support

The same page says "New TOOLS releases are planned for these models. Details will follow." (the models being MR816*).

The N8/N12 is no longer mentioned in the Steinberg documentation but let's hope the N8/N12 can share drivers with the MR816*-family also in the future.

(I'm considering buying an extra pair of Thunderbolt-to-FireWire-adapters as replacement spares, I assume they eventually will be discontinued by Apple, hopefully I can keep my MR816/N12 going much longer)

(I'm thinking that if/when the MR816-drivers are abandoned by Steinberg, something like the RME Digiface USB can keep the MR816* usable, the N12 is gone though)

Smoke, are your STEMS made up of .wav files??, Are they wave files only?, or various combinations of realtime VST and audio clips and files ?

I see the benefit of using audio or wave files---less clicks and pops and dropouts since its easier on the CPU at mixtime....and I love this idea your using. Would you mind explaining what your Stems consist of please sir?


follow up question: if your using the Cubase arranger track, then you make a set of stems for each version of the arranger track---Corrrect? How do you keep your Stems organized Smoke?

Hey all. I randomly pulled my n12 out the other day and it's running fine on Mojave and Macbook Pro 2015 version. Just tried one channel mind you but no delays, clicks or grumbles. I have a Firewire to Thunderbolt converter, I think from the Apple store. Best of luck out there.

On the n8 - is it possible to route DAW audio to outboard gear and back? Or is it only possible on the n12? Some DAWs (like Protools and MOTU's DP, not sure about Logic) have a "hardware insert" feature that I'd like to try on some stuff.

Glad to know the N12 is still working on Mojave as Im about to drop some money on a new Mac (from 27” i7 iMac 2010 pre-retina model). As for the USB-C to FW issue Ive purchased a OWC thunderbolt 3 13 port which has the FW800 + many more modern connectors - it wont be a cheap option so be sure to search for a 13 port, not the 12 or 14 port version.

Sadly itll be a while before I can check the new mac with my N12 as Ill be travelling a lot for the next year or so...

I no longer have my n12 but, IMO, it was a great unit. Still don't understand why Yamaha stopped producing these as it appeared that they were selling incredibly well.

Hopefully someone knows the answer to this?
Is the N12 compatible with logic 9.1.7 on an imac os 10.6.8? I noticed the N12 has a firewire 400 port and my mac has firewire 800 so is this amazing looking desk going to work if i buy an adapter cable? I have been looking at the A and H ZedR16 snd the Mackie Onyx, SC mtk 22, Alesis Multimix etc then stumbled on the N12 at a fraction of the price and it appears to be better than all of them. Basically I want to multitrack record my hardware jams into logic and make use of a few plug-ins etc... Also I cannot seem to find out if the N12 can multitrack record post fade or not? It isn't a deal clincher but it would be handy to know... Sorry if this has been answered before but this thread is huge and I have tried searching without any joy. Thanks in advance to anyone who is clued up in this area and is willing to take the time to help me on my quest to achieve subtractive arrangement...

Danxious,

I just happen to visit this old thread, but still have / use n12. Whilst using with a iMac (late 2015) via a Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter, I also have a late 2011 Macbook Pro with Firewire 800, and works fine with Logic Pro X with a standard Firewire cable. I mainly use with Cubase as still has great integration even with Cubase 10 (currently on 50% sale). In terms of recording for external audio it records pre-fade on Eq, effects can be post-fade, for monitoring only. Monitoring can be pre or post fade. Hope this helps.

Got a beat up N12 alongside my N8, and it requires couple of new faders.. has anyone swapped faders, perhaps different brands etc? Anyone?

I have N12 myself, running with Mac OS 10.11 and Cockos Reaper.

Yes, you can do that. With and without "Hardware Insert" -feature. You just route certain DAW track to N8/12 mixer channel (only, not to the DAW master track), activate "REC" in N12 and assign a new DRAW track listening to N12 mixer track. However this introduces latency, which you need to compensate manually - Hardware insert -features do it automatically.

However, N8/12 has physical insert-points (in 4/8 mono channels) for inserting an external outboard FX to a certain track. You cannot route DAW downstream through physical insert-points.

N12 has also a "WET" -button at each track. This allows you to route a Analog IN sound through VST-plugin insert-chain, residing in DAW. However this works only with compatible Cubase version.