Originally Posted by seclusion

I have updated a backup drive to Catalina public beta 8 and now 9 on a 2017 iMac.
The update itself went smooth, I just overwrote a Mojave clone install.
Logic Pro was slow to re check AU's.
Kontakt, Spectrasonics, Slate, SD3 and a Bunch of other plugs did pass.
Waves plugs had some trouble passing, but I just enabled in Plugin manager.
Some of them needed approval in security.
Seems snappy, NO bugs or crashes.
The only issue I had was my CP4 hadn’t been 64 compliant, but has since been updated.
Quantum is good, my dock, Ax8, backup drives all seen, 2nd monitor good.
Just a single Roland Um-1 midi first gen isn’t updated. So I just plugged my TD 9 into midi on Quantum.
I would say, just check about my Mac, legacy software and ensure all your devices are 64bit.
All in all, painless.

Originally Posted by Ishkash

I feel kind of bad for the Tuis and Saschas of this thread...but then again, I don't...

Look dudes. If I found myself in 2019 with a bunch of expensive, incompatible 32-bit hardware/software I purchased some years back, I'd want to bop nobody over the head other than MYSELF. No offense...but maybe it's a generational thing? I learned to produce during the cusp of the "Digital Revolution" - around 2008. Even BACK THEN, I could easily understand that 64-bit was the way forward, and that things like CD PLAYERS of all ancient things (no sarcasm) were on their way out. Fast forward 11 years...and you are STILL bitching about the end of 32-bit, and clinging onto your CD PLAYER? Again, no offense, but..."OK BOOMER".

If I were you, I'd sell your old ****e gear secondhand, and consider future-proofing your studio, lest you find yourself in the same conundrum in the future. If you can't do that, you ought to do away with digital and what it stands for entirely, and go back to an all-analog workflow. Embrace the future that's coming, or the past you enjoyed. You can't have both in this audio game unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing. It appears that folks of your type didn't see this coming, whereas many of us did and adjusted accordingly.

As for OSes...I have great respect for those producers who clung to XP and continued to make music with it for years after its obsolescense. But I'm sure they understood that sooner or later, they would have to face the elephant in the room. Same for you and sticking with old OSes.

In any case, you need to quit bitching about what you don't have and go make some music. Based on what I've read on this thread so far, I am happily updating to Catalina presently. If there is any sort of cause for regret, it would have to be a critical dev error, as the audio ship I run on my Mac is tighter than a mosquito's ass. But you know what? I'll use stock plugins for a while if I have to. I believe in the dev process. It's not like the entire audio industry is going to jump ship just because there are a few bumps in the road. You Grumpy Old Men can believe whatever you want...

Originally Posted by Wattsy

That was my major gripe with the soft-key, given that it should always be present there was no benefit to having it part of a dynamic touch bar. Having a tactile key matters when you're using it constantly.

Originally Posted by Wattsy

That was my major gripe with the soft-key, given that it should always be present there was no benefit to having it part of a dynamic touch bar. Having a tactile key matters when you're using it constantly.

Originally Posted by rezoneight

It doesn't matter to me and I use the escape key all the time But I do agree with your point so its nice they followed up and just made a real key.

Originally Posted by Tui

Since the mods decided to let your post stand, I might as well respond to it.

For a start, I don't have a "bunch of expensive, incompatible 32-bit hardware/software I purchased some years back". Most of the 32-bit apps I'd hate to lose are freeware, such as a general-purpose notes app and a few plugins that have a unique sound.

I don't have any "old ****e gear". I can afford to buy whatever gear I want, and the age of the equipment doesn't come into it. I care about quality - a concept perhaps alien to you.

This also has nothing to do with analogue vs digital. I bet I was being recorded digitally in the studio when you were still in your diapers, or weren't even born.

"Grumpy old men"..? Being a nice and affable person, I won't hold your lack of experience against you.

Originally Posted by Ishkash

Ok sir. I can be a cranky **** in the morning, but apparently my post really touched a nerve. Sorry about that man...no offense intended!

Keep on keeping on

Back on topic: No problems whatsoever with Catalina yet (using Ableton Live 10). I've scored two 4 minute pieces for film, mixed a 4 piece acoustic ensemble, and remixed said ensemble using a ton of effects, both VST2 and VST3. Waves, Softube, NI, PA, Izotope, and a few other brands I'm forgetting. Other than randomly crashing occasionally when I try to add/delete an instrument rack/effect rack (which happened on Mojave as well), I've had no problems whatsoever.

So far so good...

Originally Posted by rezoneight

Hey Tui...the condescending "i was doing this before you were born" stuff doesn't ever put anyone in their place and frankly is quite stupid on forums where you have absolutely no idea how old someone is.

I'm impressed though if you can afford to buy whatever gear you want. I work for a living making a good salary and there is a lot of gear I'd want that I couldnt come close to affording.

Originally Posted by Ishkash

After successfully running multiple sessions with tons of 3rd party plugins on Catalina, I'm having trouble understanding why somebody would still be afraid to update

Originally Posted by mikeka

but Mojave has been rock-solid and I'm a bit spooked by all the emails received from various companies saying don't upgrade!

Originally Posted by Sascha Franck

So why would you even think about updating? Mojave will be actively supported for almost 2 years to come.

Originally Posted by demanmetdeneus

Maybe he ordered the new MacBook Pro 16", like I did. After having done so I found out that my trick of clean installing Mojave on it after having received it will not be possible...

Very curious about what's in store for me when installing my software...

(Still, I am not terribly sad, to be quite honest)

Originally Posted by mikeka

I'm interested in voice control in the new OS. The less mousing I have to do, the better.

Originally Posted by joeq

Perhaps you could mix my new song with your voice controlled computer.

the chorus goes:

"Select All! Delete! Empty Trash!
(say it again, y'all)
Select All! Delete! Empty Trash!
(yeah yeah yeah)"

Originally Posted by Sascha Franck

Unfortunately, that word flow won't work, unless Catalina allows you to empty the trash without any safety queries.

Originally Posted by joeq

you mean if I have a voice-controlled OS, and I say "Empty Trash" I still have to click on the blue button that says "Empty Trash" with my mouse?

Originally Posted by loader

That's the rub. An upgrade from Mojave to Catalina is one thing - some plugins may work via an upgrade, but not via a clean install.

Originally Posted by demanmetdeneus

How about using the 'import data from another Mac' function? I can do a clean install later on maybe?

Originally Posted by MattyJoe

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand; you are talking to a whole bunch of people in this thread who do not rely on 32-bit software anymore, because we've moved forward and want to keep our systems up to date.

We don't care that you're losing your 32-bit plug-ins. Your option is to stay on your current macOS.

Originally Posted by Mikael B

32-bit software ≠ 32-bit plug-ins (in this context)

Stop pretending losing 32-bit plug-ins is a), new; and b), is related to Catalina dropping 32-bit support. The only new about this is losing the ability to use a bridge.

Originally Posted by loader

That's the rub. An upgrade from Mojave to Catalina is one thing - some plugins may work via an upgrade, but not via a clean install.

Using Disk Utility, I created a new Catalina volume alongside my Mojave volume so I could perform test installs with ease on clean Catalina installation.

Sidecar is an awesome Catalina feature - it's really useful being able to edit plugin parameters on my iPad using touch.

Logic Pro X installed fine - no surprises there.

After successfully installing the Isotope Product Portal, the Ozone 8 Advanced install failed at about 90% with the message "Bad CPU type in executable".

Waves 9 Offline Installer failed with the message "The selected offline installer is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 and higher. You are attempting to install to an older operating system." Guess I'm going to have to pony up for a Waves Update Plan renewal at some stage...

Izotope haven't announced Catalina Compatibility yet, and I'm hoping I'm not forced to upgrade to Ozone 9 for this.

https://support.izotope.com/hc/en-us...-Compatibility

JLo

Originally Posted by Henry Jones Sr

Can anyone confirm whether an upgrade to Catalina from Mojave/High Sierra will retain Waves v9 working? I mean instead of a clean install of v9 which appears to be having a problem with the installer. It would be a showstopper for me if the v9 doesn’t run at all, really don’t want to pay another layer of plugin updates, but I am considering the MBP 16 here.

Originally Posted by Henry Jones Sr

Can anyone confirm whether an upgrade to Catalina from Mojave/High Sierra will retain Waves v9 working? I mean instead of a clean install of v9 which appears to be having a problem with the installer. It would be a showstopper for me if the v9 doesn’t run at all, really don’t want to pay another layer of plugin updates, but I am considering the MBP 16 here.

Originally Posted by Henry Jones Sr

Can anyone confirm whether an upgrade to Catalina from Mojave/High Sierra will retain Waves v9 working? I mean instead of a clean install of v9 which appears to be having a problem with the installer. It would be a showstopper for me if the v9 doesn’t run at all, really don’t want to pay another layer of plugin updates, but I am considering the MBP 16 here.

Originally Posted by lowkey

Picked up a 16” i9 MBP today. Installed Office suite but that’s it so far
Sidecar with my iPad Pro is awesome.
Hoping that the Apple Pencil will be a good input device for Indesign. Not sure whether it will be any use for plugins or Cubase.
But will certainly help having the two monitors having moved from a 27” monitor down to a 16”+13”.

PS. While obviously lacking in the bass department I found the speakers were really nice to listen to. I started playing a set of Frank Hellmond on soundcloud and was surprised that half an hour later I still had it playing. Normally I find computer speakers unbearable, but these were actually quite pleasant to listen to. I think they might even be useful as an alternate view when mixing.

Originally Posted by GearinUp

How have you been using sidecar? Is it usable for changing plugins and essentially a complete mobile computer? I am absolutely stoked for this but have hesitated on updating due to plugin concerns.