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Huge latency issues on the latest 1903 Windows release - SOLVED
Old 18th September 2019
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Old 18th September 2019
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thanks just checked and they are set to maximum..

on my graphics card here are the settings..
GRAPHICS PROFILE---BALANCED
VIDEO PROFILE-DEFAULT

RADEON SOFTWARE--16.2.1
RADEON SOFTWARE EDITION --CRIMSON


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one thing I have noticed is none of my flash is working in my browser..it comes up with that jigsaw icon..when I click on it it gives me no option too permantley use it I can only use it on the page im looking at ,once I change to another site or close my computer down I need too do it all over again.
ive tried installing newest adobe flash software but it says cant install because already installed in my windows browser..but I use windows browser and that wont let me use flash playr.
Old 18th September 2019
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Man. So just jumping in real quick on my break (will review thread later), but damn is my system F'd up. The audio started going crazy a couple days ago. By that I mean, during different phases of my attempts at troubleshooting the last few nights, my audio either didn't work, sounded chewed up with static like a major sampling error, or was way out of sync with video. Never seen anything like it.

I was connected via JRiver to RME Babyface and then to a Crane Song Solaris via optical. I have since uninstalled the JRiver and RME audio drivers. I thought I'd try to simplify the issue connecting direct to the Solaris USB. When I installed the CEntrance driver, it removes the automatically installed Windows Solaris driver and I'm left with nothing. Then I'll uninstall it and the direct sound works but I'm left without ASIO support.

WTF is going on?!?!? This has been a horrible HORRRRRRRIBLE waste of time. !$#$ I bet you all know exactly what I mean. So disappointing. Not even sure what to do next. Hopefully I'll find a clue somewhere in this thread.
Old 18th September 2019
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I am still totally satisfied with the older system I rolled back to . Rocksolid ! out of short term boredom I tried to overclock my CPU for the first time . Unfortunately I did not win the lottery . Very hard to get my 6700k prime stable even at 4.4. But this is another can of worms ( it should long be stable trusting other stresstesters ). Next time I have no ideas to do something productive I will restore my 1903 and send a glitchtrace . I think my decision to keep my working system offline and not getting fixed what was not broken was right for me
Old 18th September 2019
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Hello there people! First post in GearSlutz for me. Was about to make a new thread but I used the search function and found this very thread. Thanks search function!

My problem is related to 1903 as well. After this update (brand new W10 install on a brand new CPU i5 9400f and mobo ASUS Prime H370-Plus) audio crackles like it distorts or spikes, be it at ASIO-supported apps or Windows like youtube or WinAmp. It happens after a whole 20-30 seconds of flawless playing. And it gives me around 1000 nanoseconds of latency (yellow threshold) while (wait for it...) it works PERFECT in any scenario on my other W7 x64 SP1 partition. 100 nanoseconds or less.

So please, don't tell us this is not Windows 10-related because it is. Plain and simple. Thanks dual-boot!

Sarcasm aside, is there any thing that can be tried with this scenario?
Thanks!
Old 18th September 2019
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don't tell us this is not Windows 10-related because it is. Plain and simple. Thanks dual-boot!

Sarcasm aside, is there any thing that can be tried with this scenario?
Thanks!
Did you not find anything in this thread that worked?
Old 18th September 2019
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I am still totally satisfied with the older system I rolled back to . Rocksolid ! out of short term boredom I tried to overclock my CPU for the first time . Unfortunately I did not win the lottery . Very hard to get my 6700k prime stable even at 4.4. But this is another can of worms ( it should long be stable trusting other stresstesters ). Next time I have no ideas to do something productive I will restore my 1903 and send a glitchtrace . I think my decision to keep my working system offline and not getting fixed what was not broken was right for me
Have you tried to go down on the MHz? It makes my system stabil on 4.4 with same CPU.
Keep your XMP profile like this:


Then turn down the MHz like this:
Old 18th September 2019
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Did you not find anything in this thread that worked?
Nothing as of yet. My specs:

M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI
ASUS Prime H370-Plus with 2 PCI slots
Intel i5 9400f (turbo always on at 4.0GHz)
16GB HyperX 2666MHz single DIMM with XM profile loaded

Soundcard is nearly 20 years old, but as I said before it works perfectly in Windows 7 x64 with the same hardware and the same driver. Drivers aren't compatible with W10 as M-Audio stopped support 8 years ago, but these worked as well with the previous build to 1809 (1803?)

My guess would be the PCI-to-PCIe bridge chipset, but I can't understand why it simply works on the other partition with Windows 7.

Thanks for your reply though!
Old 18th September 2019
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Nothing as of yet. My specs:

M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI
ASUS Prime H370-Plus with 2 PCI slots
Intel i5 9400f (turbo always on at 4.0GHz)
16GB HyperX 2666MHz single DIMM with XM profile loaded

Soundcard is nearly 20 years old, but as I said before it works perfectly in Windows 7 x64 with the same hardware and the same driver. Drivers aren't compatible with W10 as M-Audio stopped support 8 years ago, but these worked as well with the previous build to 1809 (1803?)

My guess would be the PCI-to-PCIe bridge chipset, but I can't understand why it simply works on the other partition with Windows 7.

Thanks for your reply though!
I don't see what's confusing. You're using drivers that were as far as I understand created for Window 7, not Windows 10. Just because they happened to work on an earlier version of 10 doesn't mean they'll work on it forever.

I agree though that perhaps it's a PCI to PCIe issue.

What have you tried as far as troubleshooting goes?
Old 18th September 2019
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I don't see what's confusing. You're using drivers that were as far as I understand created for Window 7, not Windows 10. Just because they happened to work on an earlier version of 10 doesn't mean they'll work on it forever.

I agree though that perhaps it's a PCI to PCIe issue.

What have you tried as far as troubleshooting goes?

I did try to change the PCI slot. I did try to downgrade the driver through extraction and forcing "Have disk..." I did try to lock the KHz at 44.1, 48 and 96 (this making no sound at all). I did try to downgrade the graphics card driver to the WHQL Win10 installed by default at start. I tried to make the device exclusive and leaving it non-exclusive through the audio devices control panel. I tried to remove the M-Audio control panel but this left me without native ASIO support.

As far as chipset drivers between Windows 7 and Windows 10, yeah, you have a point. But since I just swapped the motherboard and left the Windows 7 OS installed (no format) while formatting and fresh-installing W10 1903 in SSD, drivers were inherited and/or hand-picked by Windows 7. And they perform nicely, hence my confusion. EDIT: I'm referring to the motherboard drivers incl. PCI bridge, not audiocard!
Old 18th September 2019
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Have you tried to go down on the MHz? It makes my system stabil on 4.4 with same CPU.
Keep your XMP profile like this:


Then turn down the MHz like this:
interesting , thank you ! I am an absolute newbie with this : Seems to be stable now after 2 1/2 h of prime95 1344k . I bumped up the CPU cooler and the vcore to about 1.345 at 4400. This will be the limit for now but I will try ehat you suggested, thanks
EDIT I really tortured the CPU , now I will torture it in Cubase . In Prime it is stable now at 4,4 . Thanks again
Oh and today I was disabling internet on my ZBook 2,1809 . Quite a big difference to 1903 with internet enabled latencymon wise . On that one Linux Mint works for mail checking , web .

EDIT 2 oh I jut ran some of the same stress tests on my HP ZBook 2
The realbench ( relying on that I could get my desktop at 4.6) got it cooking hot , if I would run the same Prime 95 tests on it it would probably melt ;-) It reached 99/100 degrees C in realbench . It ís second hand , maybe the heatsink was not properly mounted or the grease has vapourized

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Old 19th September 2019
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Man. So just jumping in real quick on my break (will review thread later), but damn is my system F'd up. The audio started going crazy a couple days ago. By that I mean, during different phases of my attempts at troubleshooting the last few nights, my audio either didn't work, sounded chewed up with static like a major sampling error, or was way out of sync with video. Never seen anything like it.

I was connected via JRiver to RME Babyface and then to a Crane Song Solaris via optical. I have since uninstalled the JRiver and RME audio drivers. I thought I'd try to simplify the issue connecting direct to the Solaris USB. When I installed the CEntrance driver, it removes the automatically installed Windows Solaris driver and I'm left with nothing. Then I'll uninstall it and the direct sound works but I'm left without ASIO support.

WTF is going on?!?!? This has been a horrible HORRRRRRRIBLE waste of time. !$#$ I bet you all know exactly what I mean. So disappointing. Not even sure what to do next. Hopefully I'll find a clue somewhere in this thread.
Are you on Win 10 1903? can you also post your system specs?

Is it all audio; from windows playback and any DAW's using ASIO drivers?
Old 19th September 2019
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no, the ntoskrnl.exe spikes is fixed and that is what this thread is about. The problem EvilDragon have seems to be more of an individual latency issue.
I have suggested trying a repair of Windows while keeping all the apps. But he would not try that cause it took too much time. It takes maximum 30 min to do this, and that repair would pretty much confirm if it's a general Windows 1903 issue. Also it seems like he only have this issue with only one library, because he can not recreate it with a library I have (and I have a lot).
The NT Kernel is still spiking, I'm on the mid August update and still see it shoot up to 500uS or so in latency mon, along with random pops and clicks.
Old 20th September 2019
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The NT Kernel is still spiking, I'm on the mid August update and still see it shoot up to 500uS or so in latency mon, along with random pops and clicks.
How much did it spike before the fix?
How low was you latency on earlier versions of Windows?
Old 28th September 2019
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How much did it spike before the fix?
How low was you latency on earlier versions of Windows?
Unfortunately as this is a brand new system I don't have a frame of reference. Supposedly the update that just came out is addressing some audio issues..m
Old 28th September 2019
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Unfortunately as this is a brand new system I don't have a frame of reference. Supposedly the update that just came out is addressing some audio issues..m
probably more of a driver issue than Windows
Old 28th September 2019
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Unfortunately as this is a brand new system I don't have a frame of reference. Supposedly the update that just came out is addressing some audio issues..m
Make sure to tweak Windows 10
https://coderbag.com/product/quickcpu
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html
And check the spikes with https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
Old 28th September 2019
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I have done all of these things and then some, I have not been experiencing any audio dropouts in my DAW. I manually pushed the latest Sept 26th update and it seems to have helped the various non ASIO drop outs I was experiencing.

I have done these tweaks and many many more!
Old 1 week ago
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I,m Late to this party, but just finished building up a Ryzen 5 3600x. After doing some Win 10 Pro 64 bit tweaks and using the Ultimate Power Plan, I am still getting my arz kicked by by ntoskrnl.exe. I have finished working my way thru this thread. Is there a final fix I missed or something? Running latest version of Win 10 pro. Build is in Sig.

~ Michael
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Old 1 day ago
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I'm still utterly disappointed there was zero response to my glitch trace from Microsoft. What is the cause for the clicks that weren't there before? 1903 kernel, or RME driver?
Old 16 hours ago
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I would have no idea to the clicks and pops. But I have experimented with about every 1903 tweak I can find after a clean install and most up to date KB, I've down graded to 1809 (clean install), and nothing improves things on this new build Ryzen 5 3600x in latencymon. I plan to do a clean install of 1803 on Monday for giggles. Not hopeful.

Oddly, I simultaneously built an i7 6700k. Same spec as the 3600x except for Nvidia cards rather than Radeon. The only issue with the older i7 and 1903 is that it has higher dpc latency in the video driver, but ntoskrnl is almost non existent. The i7 was built up for lightning control, projector presentation and mp3 play.

I'm considering switching video cards between the two and using the i7 as my daw / live vst host machine.

Disappointed in the new 3600x build so far. Not sure if its 1903s handling of AMD and the x570 brd or if it's some hardware issue.
Old 15 hours ago
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Disappointed in the new 3600x build so far. Not sure if its 1903s handling of AMD and the x570 brd or if it's some hardware issue.
yes could be some kind of a bad chipset driver issue. Seems like AMD still has some problems after their "comeback". I have also read about people having bios problems with new AMD equipment. I think going back to earlier versions of Windows would only make AMD systems worse. Best thing you can do is to have the latest version of Windows, bios and chipset and just hope it will be fixed in the near future. For all I know maybe even the 1909 version of Windows fixes some of the problems you have
Old 12 hours ago
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For all I know maybe even the 1909 version of Windows fixes some of the problems you have
FWIW running 1909 here and seems better IMO - certainly no worse - so could be worth a try
Old 12 hours ago
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I'm still utterly disappointed there was zero response to my glitch trace from Microsoft. What is the cause for the clicks that weren't there before? 1903 kernel, or RME driver?
I'm checking on it; I was traveling.

Note that not all feedback entries will get feedback. For some, there needs to be a body of similar reports for the team to be able to identify a trend they can address. It's not an individual support channel -- the audio team simply can't scale to do that, but I try to help where I can.

Pete
Old 10 hours ago
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yes could be some kind of a bad chipset driver issue. Seems like AMD still has some problems after their "comeback". I have also read about people having bios problems with new AMD equipment. I think going back to earlier versions of Windows would only make AMD systems worse. Best thing you can do is to have the latest version of Windows, bios and chipset and just hope it will be fixed in the near future. For all I know maybe even the 1909 version of Windows fixes some of the problems you have
I am seeing between 700 and 950 for about 30-45 min in latencymon for highest dpc latency (ntoskrnl) using the 3600x. Generally it seems to hold at around 730. Mobo chipset is up to date. Bios is one version old dated Aug 2019. (I updated it once and when I did it would no longer see my boot drive... So I reinstalled win and it worked but LM readings were no better. So I put the bios back to original firmware) And At 64 sample rate in Studio One v4 No discernable clicks and pops.

In the i7 6700k ntoskrnl is about 0.07. Almost non existent.

So would you use the 3600x or the i7 for Live performance recoding and as a vst host for using plugins live. Is 700 plus for highest dpc that big of a deal? Seems to spike about every 15 to 30 seconds before leveling off at 730 ish. Then usually stays at that number for 30-45 minutes.
Old 10 hours ago
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FWIW running 1909 here and seems better IMO - certainly no worse - so could be worth a try
When does 1909 get publicly released?
Old 5 hours ago
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When does 1909 get publicly released?
yesterday ;-)
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