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Old 5th October 2019
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Gigabyte 3950X overclocking guide:

https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/...le/548/988.pdf
Old 5th October 2019
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More info on the upcoming 65W 3900 12-core: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ased,6371.html

Stable overclock of more than 1ghz but that's with water cooling. Curious to see how far it can be pushed with a monster air cooler like a Noctua. For those who don't need as much low latency performance (mix engineers perhaps), this will still be an incredibly efficient 12-core CPU at stock speed for less than a 3900x.

I need top low latency performance (and quiet operation), so I'm still edging towards the 3700x as the best value for money/performance. (I'm still on an ancient i7-860 )

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Old 6th October 2019
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These 3700-3900 class chips are pretty tempting because I'm running an i7/960 too. Still a fine workhorse processor to be sure, it's done everything I have asked of it. Alas, it's pretty well outclassed by this new generation of CPU's. I'm personally holding out for the 3950x or the 24 core Threadripper so that means an upgrade in Q1 of next year sometime. I'm not a pro engineer, just a home hobbyist, but while it's my work that justifies an upgrade with all the cores I can get my hands on, I also want to make sure that the system I put together makes for an awesome DAW as well.

I hate to get rid of this i7 system though, it's still a six core brute that's never failed me. Gotta figure out something else it can do.
Old 6th October 2019
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Interesting results, but I'm be more curious what is realistic/stable in the real world with an air cooler like the Noctua.

It does seem to indicate that the better binning should make the wait for the 3950x worth it.

I just wish AMD would give a date, because November 1st and November 30th is a big difference when you're going nuts waiting and aren't sure if they will instantly sell out again possibly meaning more months of waiting.
Old 6th October 2019
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I'm still not convinced that this is about "improving" binning.
Old 7th October 2019
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More info on the upcoming 65W 3900 12-core: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ased,6371.html

Stable overclock of more than 1ghz but that's with water cooling. Curious to see how far it can be pushed with a monster air cooler like a Noctua. For those who don't need as much low latency performance (mix engineers perhaps), this will still be an incredibly efficient 12-core CPU at stock speed for less than a 3900x.

I need top low latency performance (and quiet operation), so I'm still edging towards the 3700x as the best value for money/performance. (I'm still on an ancient i7-860 )
my 3900x with very slight under-volt and just more aggressive bios settings for the vrms works great
If you want quite I still think an AIO is a good option, my h115i plat. in old Fractal Define S is running at 500-600rpm fans and all i hear is the ball bearings and very small hum, this is not audio system but still, the AC and other noise like my mechanical red silent keyboard are far louder my ceiling fan is has almost same noise when its on med setting. its all in the setup, i have like 10-11 fans all but one are 140mm

for reference mechanical drives are loud in the system, and I can hear it spin up and down and when its working. (have since removed it)



its all how u do the fan control, and learning your chips min, avg, max temps and at different loads, will help you do the best for the fan control graphs

for the rad I connected the push pull 5 fans to the aio controller, and the drive temp is the water temp, and pump stays on balanced, all other fans are set to cpu temp, but I do very little gradual change, up to say 60c and then I know that mine goes to 72C on all cores on some benchmarks, and on heavy it can hit 83C so I do the % of fans to distribute between that.

Then I run the setup with real apps, and change things as needed, 98% of the load on my system is not great so hence my rig is pretty much silent.

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Old 4 weeks ago
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However compared to the 8700k it's around 10% faster which is a big no go for me. Which leads me to the single core speed and if we take the CB15 single core it matches the benchmark results vs the real word test.
Thanks for the test results mate. Can I ask you to clarify what you mean here? What do you mean no go? No go as in the performance increase of the 3900X isn't enough or the 8700K is no go for some reason?

What are you saying in the last sentence?
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Thanks for the test results mate. Can I ask you to clarify what you mean here? What do you mean no go? No go as in the performance increase of the 3900X isn't enough or the 8700K is no go for some reason?

What are you saying in the last sentence?
The 8700k is just a little bit slower in most of the work i do at the moment.
I hoped for a greater difference, however i you work a lot with Kontakt is a great (upgrade) choice.
Old 4 weeks ago
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/14961...-3500x-to-life

AMD Brings Ryzen 9 3900 and Ryzen 5 3500X To Life

Here we go....
Old 4 weeks ago
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They are OEM only though, no? Tomshardware indicates they're both for OEM and system integrators.
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Does anyone know if MILAN CPUs will be compatible with ROME builds?

I.e. can we swap a Zen2 chip for a Zen3 one in a year's time?

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Old 4 weeks ago
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Some links to help future AMD owners:

X570/X470/X370/B450/B350/A320 Motherboards (AM4-socket for AMD Ryzen CPUs) Comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2112472504

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.3 (2019-09-04)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=639584818[/b]

AM4 VRM test with Ryzen 9 3900X
https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/941...3900x#vrm-test

AMD Ryzen 3600, 3700X & 3900X DaWBench tested
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07...-magic-number/

Ryzen Memory testing for audio, does it make an impact?
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07...ake-an-impact/

Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Best RAM for Ryzen (fClock, uClock, & mClock)
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...-uclock-mclock

AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide
https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...ram-bench.html

Non expensive overclockable RAM
https://pcper.com/2019/04/crucial-ba...memory-review/

Ballistix Sport LT Overclocking
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...king.18861166/

DDR4 OC Guide
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTes...0OC%20Guide.md


AMD Motherboards/CPU/ETC forum
https://www.overclock.net/forum/9-amd/







ASRock X570 Creator Motherboard Analysis: (Thunderbolt + 10GbE LAN)




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Current Epyc "Rome" is on Socket SP3 (SP5 is later in 2021.)
"milan" will be the last SP3 according to AMD.

'Rome" is sever name for the 7nm CPU's that were recently released
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Does anyone know if ROME CPUs will be compatible with EPYC builds?

I.e. can we swap a Zen2 chip for a Zen3 one in a year's time?
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-re....437534.0.html

Here is the different Platforms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_SP3 Server Platform Epyc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_TR4 HEDT Platform Thread ripper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM4 Consumer Platform Ryzen

I'm not sure how long the Ryzen CPU's will be able to maintain the Am4 socket.
More cores PCIE 5.0, DDR5 & USB 4.0 will probably warrant AMD to change
Sockets.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Current Epyc "Rome" is on Socket SP3 (SP5 is later in 2021.)
"milan" will be the last SP3 according to AMD.

'Rome" is sever name for the 7nm CPU's that were recently released


https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-re....437534.0.html

Here is the different Platforms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_SP3 Server Platform Epyc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_TR4 HEDT Platform Thread ripper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM4 Consumer Platform Ryzen

I'm not sure how long the Ryzen CPU's will be able to maintain the Am4 socket.
More cores PCIE 5.0, DDR5 & USB 4.0 will probably warrant AMD to change
Sockets.
Thanks for clarifying! Nice to know we can drop the next gen CPU into a recent build.
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NP
Old 4 weeks ago
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Intel price drops

I didn't see this get mentioned here, I'm sure it might interest folks considering building a new DAW, though. That's some insane price drops.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu..._series_cpus/1
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I didn't see this get mentioned here,
'cause it's a thread about AMD?

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I'm sure it might interest folks considering building a new DAW, thought. That's some insane price drops.
Sure. Finally.

It'll be an interesting fall once AMD and Intel brings out their latest chips (i.e. the ones you're talking about plus Ryzen 3950 and Threadripper gen 3).

Good time to build a new workstation.
Old 4 weeks ago
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'cause it's a thread about AMD?

Good time to build a new workstation.
(I'd argue the competition is relevant to the evaluation and discussion of a CPU series. Anyway, yeah, good times ahead.)
Old 4 weeks ago
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I didn't see this get mentioned here, I'm sure it might interest folks considering building a new DAW, though. That's some insane price drops.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu..._series_cpus/1
Thanks for the heads up. 14 core 10940X for under $784 is tempting. I was going to pay a lot more for he 9940X pre Zen2.

Flagship XE is 1K less too. Will be interesting to see that vs the new Threadrippers.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Hello guys,

For recording with low latency and mixing essentially vocals, how is the Ryzen 3600 doing on Pro Tools at around 96KhZ ? Is there a great difference between this and the Ryzen 3700 ? Can we have any feedback on this please ?

Thanks
Old 4 weeks ago
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This may interesting for TR owners if true. Looks like its possible that x399 wont work with the new TR coming out.

https://wccftech.com/rumor-amds-thre...ble-after-all/
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Thanks for the heads up. 14 core 10940X for under $784 is tempting. I was going to pay a lot more for he 9940X pre Zen2.

Flagship XE is 1K less too. Will be interesting to see that vs the new Threadrippers.
The price is per 1000 units.
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The price is per 1000 units.
Ah missed that. Dang :¬)
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This seems like good news for people looking to build a new AMD system. G Skill releasing new 32GB RAM modules so people can add the full 128GB supported by X570 boards.

G.Skill Launches New Trident Z 32GB DDR4 Memory Modules In Kits Up To 256GB
https://hothardware.com/news/gskill-...ory-kits-256gb
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Hello all,
This is my first post as a long-time GS visitor. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread! Amazing resources, especially those spreadsheets.

I'm most likely building a new machine based on the 3000 series and an X470 motherboard as I don't need the PCIe 4.0 that X570 offers, as well as not wanting an NB chipset fan. For my needs, AMD wins this time around because there are upgrade paths with this platform even on a X470.

I have a question about the X470 architecture regarding PCIe lanes. Is there any benefit to having my Firewire 800 connected to a Startech PCIe card(no bridging on the card) that uses a lane directly connected to the CPU rather than going through the X470 chipset? I know it will share GPU bandwidth as they are on the same lane, but I think this would be the best connection and shouldn't present any latency issues in DPC Mon.
I also like the advantages of having USB 3.1 as a direct lane as well as 1 NVME drive which I believe is a pro over the Z390 chipset.
Having the lowest latency possible while tracking VI's and recording through amp sims is probably my biggest need for this build. I would also like to keep the machine as quiet as possible.

Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to get a 3900X they don't seem to be dropping in prices anytime soon. I spoke with a customer service rep at a local retailer today and they informed me that AMD has raised the prices at which they sell them to retailers. Whether or not that is actually true is another story.
I can get a 3700X for $319, $30 off an MSI Carbon Pro, plus a $20 rebate...Pretty tempting to buy now instead of waiting for November sales which I can't see being better than this.
Thanks in advance for any input that is offered.
-Dennis
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Is there any benefit to having my Firewire 800 connected to a Startech PCIe card(no bridging on the card) that uses a lane directly connected to the CPU rather than going through the X470 chipset? I know it will share GPU bandwidth as they are on the same lane, but I think this would be the best connection and shouldn't present any latency issues in DPC Mon.
I think you misunderstand how things are connected.

The PCIe lanes that go straight into the CPU are hardwired to a specific slot on the motherboard. Manufacturers often write that it's for the GPU but it really only means that they think most people will need the "best" or "most" performance specifically for a GPU. But if you place a different card there then that card will take up all of those available lanes regardless of whether the device will use them. So if you then move your graphics card to a different slot they are not sharing lanes.

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Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to get a 3900X they don't seem to be dropping in prices anytime soon. I spoke with a customer service rep at a local retailer today and they informed me that AMD has raised the prices at which they sell them to retailers. Whether or not that is actually true is another story.
100 bucks says that's BS.
Old 3 weeks ago
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I agree on the pricing point. Prices on the 3900X have come off about $30 here in Australia.
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Hello guys,

For recording with low latency and mixing essentially vocals, how is the Ryzen 3600 doing on Pro Tools at around 96KhZ ? Is there a great difference between this and the Ryzen 3700 ? Can we have any feedback on this please ?

Thanks
Hello,

Any answer regarding this please?

Thanks
Old 3 weeks ago
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Low latency+ Pro Tools + 96kHz = fastest all core speed you can get. The 3600 is a moderate choice, the 3700X will offer quite some extra headroom.
It depends on how large your projects are.
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