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Metric Halo ULN-8 3d vs. Apollo x8p
Old 9th November 2019
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a link with some converters

Here is a link with some converters in 96khz wav quality..which do you prefer?

https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws....48kHz24bit.zip
Old 9th November 2019
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Here is a link with some converters in 96khz wav quality..which do you prefer?

https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws....48kHz24bit.zip
Oooh, this was very informative... thank you for this.

I wasn't a fan of the Apollo x8 (I actually preferred the Scarlett 18i20 in these examples, which was pretty surprising). My favorite was probably the Aurora(n), but this ULN-2 example wasn't far too far behind. I wonder if it was 3D? I know the LIO-8 and ULN-8 converters are better than the ULN-2. I'd expect my 3D LIO-8 to sound similar to what I hear in the Aurora camp here. Pretty open and transparent.
Old 9th November 2019
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What about the focusirite red 4 pre? did you like this one?..how would you comapre it with uln 2 3d ..yes its the 3d version
Old 9th November 2019
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Does anyone have an RTL measurement for record monitoring through the MH mixer with 3D card and internal DSP effects? 96kHz would be great - but 44.1 or 48 is helpful.
Old 11th November 2019
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Burl should be doing a 10% off sale for BF if you’re still interested! Either way, I love the sound of my LIO-8. And B80. Can’t lose either way IMHO
Sending back second MH unit, looking at a Mothership with BAD4M to connect via MADI.

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Old 25th November 2019
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has anyone had RME and Metric Halo?
I am thinking about upgrading from my RME UFX (mk1) to Meetric Halo LIO-8 3D ..
Wonder if it's worth the hassle. Mostly tracking electronic instruments such as drum machines and synths..
So mic-pros are not an argument for me.. sheer AD but also DA conversion
Old 8th January 2020
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I wanted a ULN8 but I need 16 outs for summing and don’t need pres.. any recommendations for something that caliber/ tier/ quality?
Old 8th January 2020
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I wanted a ULN8 but I need 16 outs for summing and don’t need pres.. any recommendations for something that caliber/ tier/ quality?
Well, then get two ULN8 .. simple as that
Old 8th January 2020
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I wanted a ULN8 but I need 16 outs for summing and don’t need pres.. any recommendations for something that caliber/ tier/ quality?
You can get 2x MH LIO-8 and link them together with a simple cat5 cable.

Or you can get an Apogee Symphony mk2 (spoiler: I have one in the classifieds for an incredibly low price) and add a second 8x8 card or 16x16 for even more channels. Another nice modular and futureproof option. Very stable and great sounding.

Since the GS classifieds search sucks big time lately..Here it is:

Apogee Electronics Symphony I/O MK II 8x8



Cheu
Old 8th January 2020
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I wanted a ULN8 but I need 16 outs for summing and don’t need pres.. any recommendations for something that caliber/ tier/ quality?
2 LIO-8 if you need AD as well.

If you don't need AD then you should look at 16 channels of Burl DA in their smaller 16 channel chassis.

Next step up from that would be 16 channels of JCF DA... and that is a big step up but very nice.
Old 19th January 2020
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I have both and the ULN-8 3D is a high end level product. The mic preamps are in an entirely different league above the Apollo. The conversion is more musical and less cold/clinical than the Apollo X. Only reason to go Apollo is if you had lots of great outboard gear and for some reason wanted to monitor through UAD plugins. If you just have an Apollo X alone don’t expect it to deliver high end sounding results by itself because of some plugins. If I could go back in time I would have never spent money on UAD because really its just cheap emulations of great analog gear and to me one great piece of analog gear has a quality of tone that is priceless. The mic preamps on the ULN-8 are in the lower boutique range so they can compete directly with great clean preamps costing much more like Grace, Pueblo, NPNG or Millenia. Not quite as good but very close. Additionally they have direct analog outs so you can insert real analog gear before conversion or use other high end converters like JCF AD8 for really great sound. I dunno, the way I see it these days the Apollos just cheaped out on their analog sections especially with their preamps even on the X series. When you compare head to head with great preamps they just don’t cut it and the conversion is just cold and clinical to my ears. I really just use my Apollo as an FX box for guitar and occasionally a live mixer for live shows. I would sell it if I wouldn’t stand to lose so much money on the plugins I bought. Just my opinion.

I agree about the Pres. Don't agree about the conversion. The X (I tested Twin X) is better than MH(PB9 3D LIO/ULN) right now. Maybe on final version it will be on par. MH is good but have to say it, UA is whipping them. X is precise, Controlled and more linear. Imagine the X16. More comments on the net agree.
Old 19th January 2020
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I agree about the Pres. Don't agree about the conversion. The X (I tested Twin X) is better than MH(PB9 3D LIO/ULN) right now. Maybe on final version it will be on par. MH is good but have to say it, UA is whipping them. X is precise, Controlled and more linear. Imagine the X16. More comments on the net agree.
We’re talking about subtle differences when it comes to high end converters. If you really think UA is ‘whipping’ MH, you should be going into far more details about it instead of making an overhyped blanket statement. How is it more precise, controlled and more linear? Are there measurements available?
Old 19th January 2020
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We’re talking about subtle differences when it comes to high end converters. If you really think UA is ‘whipping’ MH, you should be going into far more details about it instead of making an overhyped blanket statement. How is it more precise, controlled and more linear? Are there measurements available?
No we're not. The differences are certainly there. The secret is in the obvious. It's different people who make them. These things are all a certain flavour and so with respect to people's different minds let us accept that converters are different even if by a little.

little? Little of what?

The one thing common at the high level is clarity. Some are more fuller on the notes(Prism, Apollo, Apogee).

The MH is "digital transparency", scientific window of the Mix, little sharp at the top. Specs: Less than Apollo on Dynamic range and THD BTW.

Back to Apollo X

It's more controlled in that it's playing a put together picture that is really sounding like a new Converter chip and build rather than old goodness. I mean if MH released a Lio/ULN MK2 or something... that would be where this game is at...

Apollo X16 Dynamic range on Mon Out : 133db it counts for something.

I'm just being real because I have the experience of both.

There are positives to the MH ofcourse but conversion vs Apollo X is not the same or similar or what was it... subtle.
Old 19th January 2020
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siddhu, I truly believe Metric Halo is one of those examples of honesty and good ethic. Didn't mean to sound paranoid or even to be moronic... I also heard magical things about MH, and it was mouth-to-mouth, even here in Portugal.

I will order a new one, and forget what happened, but this time directly from the German vendor. Neither spain or portugal have units available.

One thing must be stated though. The videos in their channel are many years old and there are not showcases of new hardware. I believe it would be helpful just to make some A/B comparison or just a semi-professional MH 3D series showcase, like a recording session. I'm already interested in their products but it couldn't hurt, right? There may be other potential buyers that will only ever know about the UA, Apogee, Focusrite, Antelope stuff
I believe the German distributor is the same one Thomann sent my ULN with the DI problem. Just trying to get some closure on this Environmental problem, I truly believe it had nothing to do with it, since everything works perfectly on my ensemble.
- out of topic, for your lazy sunday: Brittany Howard's Jaime is a kickass masterpiece, just a suggestion for anyone reading (just heard it now)
MetricHalo is now posting video of various demos from their booth at NAMM on their instagram account this year. I suggested everyone follow them. I love my ULN8 (with 3D upgrade) by the way.
Old 2nd March 2020
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I agree about the Pres. Don't agree about the conversion. The X (I tested Twin X) is better than MH(PB9 3D LIO/ULN) right now. Maybe on final version it will be on par. MH is good but have to say it, UA is whipping them. X is precise, Controlled and more linear. Imagine the X16. More comments on the net agree.
I think it's pretty easy, the Apollo's sound really good! - and I can quickly recreate the sound in a ULN-8. Try the other way around.
Old 5th March 2020
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I think it's pretty easy, the Apollo's sound really good! - and I can quickly recreate the sound in a ULN-8. Try the other way around.
create the sound, how? I mean the D/As are different. one is digital goodness the other more musical, eb-flow and more detail. Don't know how you will add musical detail to the MH. it's a good mastering level dac as it shows the mix sound relativenesses in volume but vs the Prism Titan it is not as 'realistic'...it's a brilliant render.

No doubt I would pick it over the Prism for mastering D/A but I don't do that so it's a little rough.

Wishing to hear it vs Merging Anubis/Cranesong Solaris... I want to change it and keep the Prism for I/O but get a better balanced nice sounding DAC.

a Tascam UH7000 is on par with these kids in DA if not a little bit better in depth differences
Old 6th March 2020
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[QUOTE=MFXBOSS;14572308]create the sound, how?

with the internal DSP Plugs...
Old 6th March 2020
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[QUOTE=Tonwerker;14573974]
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create the sound, how?

with the internal DSP Plugs...
Oh in a way of sugarcoating...
Old 21st March 2020
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[QUOTE=MFXBOSS;14574080]
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Oh in a way of sugarcoating...

Some honey in the tea...

It nulls down to around -96 to 98dB
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Old 16th April 2020
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It’s time for upgrading and i’m thinking about uln-8 this time. Currently using rme ucx.
Somewhat years ago, uln-8 was very expensive but currently the price is very low.
I used uln-2 10 years go. So i’m not new to MH.
Apollo x8 is at similar price range with uln-8 3d where i live. I’m just concerned that uln-8 has older converter technology than apollo x?
Why is uln-8 now so cheap?
Old 17th April 2020
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Lol, did they? People can claim to own whatever they want. Without pictures of both units and/or clips that clearly demonstrate cliche hyperbole like “ a different league” it’s just a lot of hot air that may or may nor reflect actual user experience and should be taken with a grain of salt the size of a boulder.

Once in a while you get a balanced, detailed analysis that thoughtfully compares and contrasts each units strengths and weaknesses. I an inclined to give those reviews some credibility. Anonymous hyperbolic blather. Not so much.

I’d take a converters measurements over anything i’ve read on this thread. At least it’s factual





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The only people in this thread who slagged the Apollo used both devices. The people who only used ULN8's seemed careful not to state an opinion about something they've never used, while extolling the virtues of the one they do use.



Medice, cura te ipsum.
Old 17th April 2020
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It’s time for upgrading and i’m thinking about uln-8 this time. Currently using rme ucx.
Somewhat years ago, uln-8 was very expensive but currently the price is very low.
I used uln-2 10 years go. So i’m not new to MH.
Apollo x8 is at similar price range with uln-8 3d where i live. I’m just concerned that uln-8 has older converter technology than apollo x?
Why is uln-8 now so cheap?
Cheap? ULN8s are going for $4,495.00 on the Metric Halo website and probably a little less at other online venders. I wouldn't call that cheap but maybe you just got it like that. Lol. That being said, I've had the ULN8 for like 5 years now and use it daily for mastering (first the 2D and then upgraded to the 3D card). Love it....great converters...super clean pre's (if I ever need them)...and the MioConsole is extremely useful as well. I would definitely go for the ULN8 over the Apollo.

Last edited by AudioKemestry; 17th April 2020 at 04:40 AM.. Reason: typo
Old 17th April 2020
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Cheap? ULN8s are going for $4,495.00 on the Metric Halo website and probably a little less at other online venders. I wouldn't call that cheap but maybe you just got it like that. Lol. That being said, I've had the ULN8 for like 5 years now and use it daily for mastering (first the 2D and then upgraded to the 3D card). Love it....great converters...super clean pre's (if I ever need them)...and the MioConsole is extremely useful as well. I would definitely go for the ULN8 over the Apollo.

oh I just got LIO-8 with 4 pre and 2882 with the 3d early adopter's almost 50% off price which is about an ULN-8's MSRP So I felt the price is cheap for 16 I/O system compared to apollo x16 It is just very good time to re-enter MH systems.
Old 17th April 2020
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oh I just got LIO-8 with 4 pre and 2882 with the 3d early adopter's almost 50% off price which is about an ULN-8's MSRP So I felt the price is cheap for 16 I/O system compared to apollo x16 It is just very good time to re-enter MH systems.
Oh!!! Now that makes sense. Awesome deal man. Congrats and welcome (back?) to the MH family. You might also want to consider getting the Mamba patchbay if you don't already have it.

[Thanks for the reminder. I actually need to pick up a LIO-8 at some point as a backup for my ULN-8.]
Old 17th April 2020
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After a few months with MH can say I much prefer their digital routing and mixer to TotalMix. It's a very nice system.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Funny I went from an Apogee Symphony to a MH ULN8. The low end reproduction is wicked on the MH. I’ve had the MH for a couple years now, also installed 3D. Never once have I had the MH crash on me. Very dependable and future proof system. The preamps alone are amazing, built in monitor controller, can add another 16 I/o over AES + AES EdgeBus , or even more with other EdgeBus cards. I prefer the conversion on the MH vs Symphony which I liked more than the Apollo’s.
I have two UAD satellites for UA plugs.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Has anyone compared the ULN-8 3D to the RME UFX+? Would like to know if the MH is worth the price jump in terms of sonic depth, detail and character. Judging from Bleeps last comment, i'd say that's a yes.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Has anyone compared the ULN-8 3D to the RME UFX+? Would like to know if the MH is worth the price jump in terms of sonic depth, detail and character. Judging from Bleeps last comment, i'd say that's a yes.
MH will have slightly better conversion. Both rock solid products.
We're talking about very subtle differences here.. no night and day
Old 2 weeks ago
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Has anyone compared the ULN-8 3D to the RME UFX+? Would like to know if the MH is worth the price jump in terms of sonic depth, detail and character. Judging from Bleeps last comment, i'd say that's a yes.
One thing I can tell is that i feel MIOconsole is much better to use and understand than RME's total mix. I feel i've got a hell of good digital mixer with MIOconsole.
However, if you need the smallest latency in DAW for soft instruments, better to use RME. RME's firewire latency is just a little smaller than metric halo's MH Link thru ethernet. In my case, I use hardware synth, modules, and sequencers so using MIOconsole is much better and I/O buffer is set at 1024 in DAW.

sound wise, i can't tell because i haven't used UFX+. i don't think it would be night and day but i feel MH gives more details. i think i can hear digital noises. clipping, and distortions easily on MH
Old 1 week ago
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Thanks guys. I ended up going with the UFX+ for a smaller overall footprint, plus i am already equipped with the proper cabling - so it makes the most sense for the time being.
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