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Open letter to apple for new mac pro
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Open letter to apple for new mac pro

Dear Apple,

Lurking under the mixing console in my recording studio is a 2013 Mac Pro cylinder shaped computer, which I bought new in April of 2015. While it is a beautiful piece of industrial engineering it reminds me of another earlier and equally beautiful model from Apple, the ill fated CUBE!

Steve Jobs beamed and smiled ear-to-ear as he revealed the Cube. Like the master magician he was, he openly gushed "isn't it beautiful?". The gleaming plexiglass body was very unique at the time and unfortunately it was not very well received by the buying public. One thing the Cube had the current Mac Pro does not was an inboard CDROM drive, disc's emerged from a slot in the top like bread from a toaster.

Back then the Cube had no expandability without going outboard. There was no room in the Cube to add anything and it's the same on today's Mac Pro. Want to add a CDROM drive? At least the Cube had a ROM drive. On today's Mac Pro it must be some sort of external box because there's no room inside for a drive of any kind. Nothing about the current Apple DVD-ROM drive meshes with the current Mac Pro. It's a little square box on a too-short USB cord that has nowhere to go but dangle like an expensive earring from the back of the top-of-the-line professional Macintosh. The Mac Pro can not perch on top of the DVD-ROM drive, the drive enclosure is too small. If you want a proper disc-burner you're going to have to go third party because Apple says no drive for you.

If you want to add hard drives to a modern Mac Pro they must be external. If you want to add any peripheral it must be external. I have three external hard drives, two external SSD, an external DVD-ROM drive, a Thunderbolt dock (for more ports and a third monitor) and a 10-port USB-3 dock for more fast ports.

All the external power supplies and wiring is a mess. I've done everything I can to tame the wiring spaghetti, coiled cables neatly with wire ties, built a stand to hold the external devices (which should be internal). It still feels like a big step back for Apple and the Mac Pro. *We've taken to openly joking about it as the Mac semi-Pro because of the hassle of connecting external peripherals.

WHERE DOES APPLE THINK WE SHOULD PLUG ALL THIS STUFF IN?

The big aluminum Mac Pro boxes of yesteryear had well designed removable sleds for the disk drives and room for two CDROM drives. It was heavy and used a lot of electricity but I still have two of those Mac Pros and they are great computers. I much preferred that design to the current little cylinder shaped Mac Pro with all it's fiddly external wiring.

AMERICAN JOBS

I like knowing Apple tooled up to build the current Mac Pro design in the USA but if building it in China gave us a better form factor, lower cost and more usability then so be it. I don't need to tell you how the rest of the industry's product is built in China. From all the expansion I've seen in the USA it looks like Apple is employing lots of Americans at home. You build the iPhone in China, build the Mac Pro there if you can give us a less semi-pro model than the current offering.

WE ARE PRO'S, GIVE US A PRO FORM FACTOR

The next Mac Pro does not need to be huge but returning to a tower or box style form factor with room inside for common peripherals needed by professional users would sure be welcome.

These are pro users we're talking about, why not give us an option to make the thing rack-mountable without resorting to $600-$1000 custom metal work. I venture to say some pro users might rack them up as servers because we like Mac OS (when the software is working right, hint Logic bugs, hint hint).

I'm using my 2013 Mac Pro (purchased in 2015) in a professional recording studio (with Logic X). A rack-mount(able) Mac Pro design would be very welcome for the main control room and the keyboard room.

Please put the power switch somewhere easy to get to. Hiding the power switch on the rear among all the cabling is not a good design for pro users.

Return to offering some lower priced models. $1600, $2300, $3000, offering a combination of hardware at these three price points was a hallmark of the Mac Pro for years. I'd like another Mac Pro in our current keyboard room but I could not tolerate the festooning array of wires and external gadgets required by the current design. I don't need high horsepower either. What I need most is compatibility with the latest creative software and a less fragile system of integrating accessories.

From discussions I've seen in forums I'd say the form-factor of the current Mac Pro packaging has actually pushed more users to purchasing highly customized and preconfigured Windows PC systems from specialty retailers like Sweetwater.

IMAC DOES NOT WORK FOR PRO'S EITHER

Why not the iMac? Isn't it just a computer monitor with a built in computer?

Yes it is and it has the same peripheral limitations as the current Mac Pro, if you want to expand it at all you will end up with little boxes and wall wart power supplies hanging around the back, coming unplugged and failing!

AM I JUST NOT USING MY COMPUTER RIGHT?

Maybe I'm just being stupid and not using the computer like Apple thinks I should.

Lets review my Professional studio needs. I need removable SSD drives for my backups and client drives. I need a quality DVD-ROM drive for authoring media, music clients still want CDs. I need super fast removable drives to edit audio and video. I need a lot of external USB 3 ports because the current Mac Pro design has only four. I need Thunderbolt ports without limitations (currently you need a matrix chart to see what is allowable with Thunderbolt on current Mac Pro cylinders). What should I do different?

Please don't wait too much longer, give us a real professional Mac Pro, not over-priced industrial art.

Thank you

Respectfully yours
Mark King
used by permission: High on Technology: OPEN LETTER TO APPLE ABOUT THE MAC PRO
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Hackintosh, mang. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by foldback View Post
Dear Apple,

Lurking under the mixing console in my recording studio is a 2013 Mac Pro cylinder shaped computer, which I bought new in April of 2015. While it is a beautiful piece of industrial engineering it reminds me of another earlier and equally beautiful model from Apple, the ill fated CUBE!

Steve Jobs beamed and smiled ear-to-ear as he revealed the Cube. Like the master magician he was, he openly gushed "isn't it beautiful?". The gleaming plexiglass body was very unique at the time and unfortunately it was not very well received by the buying public. One thing the Cube had the current Mac Pro does not was an inboard CDROM drive, disc's emerged from a slot in the top like bread from a toaster.

Back then the Cube had no expandability without going outboard. There was no room in the Cube to add anything and it's the same on today's Mac Pro. Want to add a CDROM drive? At least the Cube had a ROM drive. On today's Mac Pro it must be some sort of external box because there's no room inside for a drive of any kind. Nothing about the current Apple DVD-ROM drive meshes with the current Mac Pro. It's a little square box on a too-short USB cord that has nowhere to go but dangle like an expensive earring from the back of the top-of-the-line professional Macintosh. The Mac Pro can not perch on top of the DVD-ROM drive, the drive enclosure is too small. If you want a proper disc-burner you're going to have to go third party because Apple says no drive for you.

If you want to add hard drives to a modern Mac Pro they must be external. If you want to add any peripheral it must be external. I have three external hard drives, two external SSD, an external DVD-ROM drive, a Thunderbolt dock (for more ports and a third monitor) and a 10-port USB-3 dock for more fast ports.

All the external power supplies and wiring is a mess. I've done everything I can to tame the wiring spaghetti, coiled cables neatly with wire ties, built a stand to hold the external devices (which should be internal). It still feels like a big step back for Apple and the Mac Pro. *We've taken to openly joking about it as the Mac semi-Pro because of the hassle of connecting external peripherals.

WHERE DOES APPLE THINK WE SHOULD PLUG ALL THIS STUFF IN?

The big aluminum Mac Pro boxes of yesteryear had well designed removable sleds for the disk drives and room for two CDROM drives. It was heavy and used a lot of electricity but I still have two of those Mac Pros and they are great computers. I much preferred that design to the current little cylinder shaped Mac Pro with all it's fiddly external wiring.

AMERICAN JOBS

I like knowing Apple tooled up to build the current Mac Pro design in the USA but if building it in China gave us a better form factor, lower cost and more usability then so be it. I don't need to tell you how the rest of the industry's product is built in China. From all the expansion I've seen in the USA it looks like Apple is employing lots of Americans at home. You build the iPhone in China, build the Mac Pro there if you can give us a less semi-pro model than the current offering.

WE ARE PRO'S, GIVE US A PRO FORM FACTOR

The next Mac Pro does not need to be huge but returning to a tower or box style form factor with room inside for common peripherals needed by professional users would sure be welcome.

These are pro users we're talking about, why not give us an option to make the thing rack-mountable without resorting to $600-$1000 custom metal work. I venture to say some pro users might rack them up as servers because we like Mac OS (when the software is working right, hint Logic bugs, hint hint).

I'm using my 2013 Mac Pro (purchased in 2015) in a professional recording studio (with Logic X). A rack-mount(able) Mac Pro design would be very welcome for the main control room and the keyboard room.

Please put the power switch somewhere easy to get to. Hiding the power switch on the rear among all the cabling is not a good design for pro users.

Return to offering some lower priced models. $1600, $2300, $3000, offering a combination of hardware at these three price points was a hallmark of the Mac Pro for years. I'd like another Mac Pro in our current keyboard room but I could not tolerate the festooning array of wires and external gadgets required by the current design. I don't need high horsepower either. What I need most is compatibility with the latest creative software and a less fragile system of integrating accessories.

From discussions I've seen in forums I'd say the form-factor of the current Mac Pro packaging has actually pushed more users to purchasing highly customized and preconfigured Windows PC systems from specialty retailers like Sweetwater.

IMAC DOES NOT WORK FOR PRO'S EITHER

Why not the iMac? Isn't it just a computer monitor with a built in computer?

Yes it is and it has the same peripheral limitations as the current Mac Pro, if you want to expand it at all you will end up with little boxes and wall wart power supplies hanging around the back, coming unplugged and failing!

AM I JUST NOT USING MY COMPUTER RIGHT?

Maybe I'm just being stupid and not using the computer like Apple thinks I should.

Lets review my Professional studio needs. I need removable SSD drives for my backups and client drives. I need a quality DVD-ROM drive for authoring media, music clients still want CDs. I need super fast removable drives to edit audio and video. I need a lot of external USB 3 ports because the current Mac Pro design has only four. I need Thunderbolt ports without limitations (currently you need a matrix chart to see what is allowable with Thunderbolt on current Mac Pro cylinders). What should I do different?

Please don't wait too much longer, give us a real professional Mac Pro, not over-priced industrial art.

Thank you

Respectfully yours
Mark King
used by permission: High on Technology: OPEN LETTER TO APPLE ABOUT THE MAC PRO
Agreed 100000%

Unfortunately, Apple as a business has moved in a different direction in the last ten years.

Ive seen everything (for the most part) go downhill. Apple is about to release a brand new MacBook Pro with an i7 processor that will be outdated in less than a year once the i9 drops.

Apple has continued to move in the direction of non user-serviceable products. Even the RAM is soldered on for some of the computers now, and forget about external drives.

As beautiful as the design is, there is little thought out into practicality or interoperability. These are things pros need.

Also, who cares if the computer looks like art in some mock-up photo of a minimalist studio? The reality is that it will be surrounded by peripherals that are outside of the unit taking up space as a poorly designed eyesore.

I'd really like to see Apple get its head out of its ass.

Here are a few suggestions:

1. Room for internal flash storage that is hot swappable.

2. PCIE card slots and a card reader.

3. A form-factor that is practical. At the very least, give me something that doesn't look like Cthulhu after I've plugged everything in.

4. Basic user serviceability.

5. Up to date specs. The folks playing candy crush during common hour have different needs than us. They might not care that the processor is behind everything else. WE DO.

6. Plays well with our current set ups. We don't want to join the Apple "ecosystem". We want a computer that plays well with our setups.

7. A Mac Pro user is not an Imac user. We expect and do different things with our
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Apple has already said that a new modular mac pro is in the works... likely being released next year... 2018 Mac Pro | AppleInsider

A return to the old pricing tiers would certainly be welcome.
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The i9 is nothing new, it's just a new way they are classifying the enthusiast i7s. You will not see an i9 MacBook Pro.
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The i9 is nothing new, it's just a new way they are classifying the enthusiast i7s. You will not see an i9 MacBook Pro.
It's going to have up to 12 cores, likely without the need for expensive ECC RAM which would actually make it something new in the ProSumer price bracket.
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AMERICAN JOBS

I like knowing Apple tooled up to build the current Mac Pro design in the USA but if building it in China gave us a better form factor, lower cost and more usability then so be it. I don't need to tell you how the rest of the industry's product is built in China. From all the expansion I've seen in the USA it looks like Apple is employing lots of Americans at home. You build the iPhone in China, build the Mac Pro there if you can give us a less semi-pro model than the current offering.
AFAIK only the assembly is in the US. Makes it still more expensive, but IMO quality should be better and it is fair to have jobs in the country of origin of the company who brands it.

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It's going to have up to 12 cores, likely without the need for expensive ECC RAM which would actually make it something new in the ProSumer price bracket.
ECC RAM is not that much of a huge price difference, especially not for an OEM like Apple. Also, new Intel SKU's will go way beyond 12 cores (current top liner v4 has 22 cores), so I doubt it ends at 12. It depends on what core speed they intend to offer and what public they want to approach. I assume like the current 12 core, more cores with less speed will be the top tier.
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digital tech is the worst investment you can make ... I have a wall of beautiful guitars/bass's when I retire they will be worth considerably more than when I bought them... A computer? 5 years on is a fricking door stopper
I refuse to cough up mucho deniro for something that depreciates at the rate of knots
the 2012 mac mini quad was a good "bang for buck" buy but they soon put a stop to that
So I've put a powerful hack together... sure it ain't no "mac experience" but it suits my needs and will get my work... cheaps as chips and in a few years time I'll dump it for another... I'll keep my screen keyboard,mouse hd's etc etc it'll of paid for itself several times over, so no loss
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It would be a real miss on Apple's part if they don't at least consider AMD's Threadripper, Epyc or Ryzen chips.. They are probably looking really hard at AMD's APU when those get released as well. Right now in the HEDT market even the upcoming Intel offering doesn't have 16 cores, 32 threads and on the consumer end , they don't have anything in the 6-8 core range. The only real barrier I think is that Apple has gone all in with Thunderbolt 3 and AMD at the moment doesn't support that.
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I wish Apple would just make motherboards and be done with it.
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They won't listen unfortunately.
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I wish Apple would just make motherboards and be done with it.
Actually I wished they just made the OS like Microsoft and leave the hardware to everyone else which they do anyway before stamping their name on it. FYI Apple doesn't make motherboards or much else. They design things and come up with a rough draft and a list of needs and the company they hire comes up with a few test models until Apple is happy. I remember when budget PC board maker ECS used to make Apples G3 laptops. Since ECS merged with Asus to form Asrock I'd be willing to bet Asus makes Apples logic boards these days.
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Well what I'm getting at is I wish they would just embrace the hackintosh movement and make it easier. Yes they could do that just by tweaking their operating system! But then they couldn't earn billions of dollars by grossly marking up over hyped hardware, so I'm just dreaming. I suppose the current state, where hacks are possible and Apple doesn't bother crushing the movement somehow, is good enough anyway.
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They won't listen unfortunately.
I get that such "open letters to" are exercises in clearing one's head and not an actual attempt to get the attention of the subject, but I can't think of a technology company of the last 30 years who chart the course of their products with more of an eye on the company's vision or claimed purpose and less on what the end user claims publicly they want. And especially what they need as professionals, as Apple has already said that's not on their radar. This is, after all, a company who doesn't even touch down in the support forums in their own site, leaving answering questions, there and on other public forums, to end users communicating with each other. They truly have gone, in the past decade, to a company who was not spending enough time figuring out how to best satisfy the needs of the computer using public to one who truly doesn't pay attention to such things, as long as they hit the consumer niche in the numbers. Works for them, can't fault the strategy. We as pro end users are a terrible group to worry about if a company like Apple wants to succeed.

And I'm a lifelong Mac user and Windows hater, still using Macs.
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where does apple think we should plug all this stuff in?
"It's a revolution, we we'll call it a pc." Tim Cook 2018
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