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Sick and tired of Cubase effects
Old 2 days ago
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Angry Sick and tired of Cubase effects

Hello Everyone ,

Im mostly doing either trance or film music. been using cubase delays / reverbs / flangers / choruses etc for over 10 years now ,

But im really sick and tired of the "computer sounding and cold"vibe these plugins have (esp the cubase stock plugins)

demoed most of the waves stuff ( much better than cubase plugins , but still didn't satisfy me )

most pro guys on the trance scene are using either eventide boxes or built fx of the access virus ti2.

i don't need a virus as i already have a NL4. outboard rack wll be very slow to work with since i will have to process 1 track at a time or maybe 2 (depending on the engine )

Next option is UAD , which a lot of film scoring guys use and im planning to go for the Custom Octo bundle.

Any other ideas ? I just need the realism and warmth with fx that cubase plugins are not giving atm.

right now the dry mix sounds sweeter to me than having those Sh**ty cubase fx on...


please advice

best regards,
W.
Old 2 days ago
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There are many pro engineers who use Waves, a lot of them actually, and they sound great, warm, fat, cozy, nice, sweet and deep. This is subjective thing.
If your budget allows, go for uad, there is no guarantee that you'll be satisfied but at least psychologically you'll be covered, nothing more expensive out there

In the mean time you can try Slate everything bundle.
Old 2 days ago
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Originally Posted by hypersync.09 View Post
Hello Everyone ,

Im mostly doing either trance or film music. been using cubase delays / reverbs / flangers / choruses etc for over 10 years now ,
Delay: SoundToys EchoBoy
Reverb: Waves H-Reverb
Flanger: Softube Fix Flanger
Chorus: Lexicon PCM Native FX
Filter FX: Waves MetaFilter
Old 2 days ago
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You can check the Eventide native plugins, and Soundtoys ones which are made by ex-Eventide programmers. D12 also make pretty good modulation effects.
Old 2 days ago
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I'm a big fan of Kush for organic, valvey-sounding plugins.
Old 1 day ago
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For me, it's klanghelm, valhalla, soundtoys and kush. Those companies together gives everything you could want in a mix, with sounds that are nothing like sterile. MJUC from klanghelm and UBK-1 from kush gives a lot of great sounds, they are all over my mixes, they do a big part of the cimpression i do.

Also the new api eq plugins from volko audio and channel4 from airwindows makes for great sounds.
Old 1 day ago
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For creative reverbs, you must try Zynaptiq Adaptiverb. It will change your life. You're welcome
Old 1 day ago
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Cubase FX are equal to or in most cases better than Waves, IMO.

You've been using Cubase 10 years. What is the typical chain that's not giving you what you are looking for? Maybe I can give some things to try.

If you want affirmation to buy plugins, well this is gearslutz... You'll get that, but with 10 years, I'd assume you have typical chains of plugins you use.

What version of Cubase?
Old 1 day ago
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Plenty of pro engineers using stock plugins only. The plugins won't make the difference in your productions. Can you please share a recent track for context? Might be more usefull to discuss your productions than subjective plugin preference. If you can't get where you want to be with stock plugins, something else is wrong.
Old 1 day ago
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Cubase FX are equal to or in most cases better than Waves, IMO.

You've been using Cubase 10 years. What is the typical chain that's not giving you what you are looking for? Maybe I can give some things to try.

If you want affirmation to buy plugins, well this is gearslutz... You'll get that, but with 10 years, I'd assume you have typical chains of plugins you use.

What version of Cubase?
I completely disagree. im using cubase since v2 , currently on version 8.

channel eq's suck , compressor have no definition ( i found the NI compressor and eq to be much much better and the waves API and SSL stuff even better )

even simple delay and reverb sends are not working for me , atleast when im comparing them to the Virus TI or UAD FX , which is what im competing with.

price wise also , entire cubase DAW i got for 500USD , some waves stuff only costs that much . also considering the time and R & D they spend in coding the developing those plugins.

even the fx on my NL4 sound thicker....

its the thickness that im not finding

and my room is fully treated with genelec 8250 monitors , so no issues of not *hearing* stuff properly


thanks,
W.
Old 1 day ago
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Context is everything, can you share some of your work?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hypersync.09 View Post
I completely disagree. im using cubase since v2 , currently on version 8.

channel eq's suck , compressor have no definition ( i found the NI compressor and eq to be much much better and the waves API and SSL stuff even better )

even simple delay and reverb sends are not working for me , atleast when im comparing them to the Virus TI or UAD FX , which is what im competing with.

price wise also , entire cubase DAW i got for 500USD , some waves stuff only costs that much . also considering the time and R & D they spend in coding the developing those plugins.

even the fx on my NL4 sound thicker....

its the thickness that im not finding

and my room is fully treated with genelec 8250 monitors , so no issues of not *hearing* stuff properly


thanks,
W.
Old 1 day ago
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I tend to agree. I dislike most Cubase stock effects. The EQ is fine (most digital EQs null and Cubase' EQ is no exception), but the dynamics processors, modulation and delay are just average at best.

Personally, I am not a fan of Waves and their licensing nor business model. I tend to find most their plugins pretty average too if I'm being honest.

Compression: I would check out Cytomic The Glue and Softube plugins (including the ones they designed for Native Instruments). All of these are the best compressors I have heard
Limiter: FabFilter's Pro-L or DMG Audio Limitless are some of the finest limiters on the market today

EQ: FabFilter Pro-Q or DMG Audio EQuilibrium will give you that little bit more control you may be missing from the stock EQ.

Reverb: Relab's LX480 (replica of a Lexicon 480L) and Lexicon PCM90-based plugin offerings are my favourite currently. Of course you now have TC's VSS3 and the new Relab VSR24 (which is a VSS6) if that's your thing.

Delay: SoundToys are truly hard to beat here, both EchoBoy and PrimalTap are incredible. I also quite like Replika XT by Native Instruments too.
Modulation: The Softube Fix series and SoundToys plugins come to mind again, both absolutely top notch.

Distortion: SoundToys Decapitator is the finest distortion I've personally heard.

Sidechain Volume Automation: Cableguys VolumeShaper or xfer records LFOTool are the best of the bunch

I think you'll find that for cinematic music, EQ and Reverb will be your two most important tools. Possibly a little dynamics processing too, but for the most part, EQ and Reverb. For trance, I use a wider variety of plugins primarily focused around EQ, compression, reverb and delay. I tend to use modulation effects that come built into synths.

With regards to synths, I personally love Sylenth1, Spire, Massive, Serum, Hive and DUNE 2. Omnisphere and Kontakt I use more as romplers, they are great to have.

P.S.: I produce trance primarily but also work on cinematic music too
P.P.S: I used to own a Virus TI and think it's the most overrated synth in history, I don't miss it one bit.
Old 1 day ago
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thanks guys , ill upload a sample soon of a latest track im working on which only has stock cubase delays and reverbs. somehow it sounds very computerish to me.

i even have a TC G major 2 , which has more thicker and real sounding delays and verbs , but i want even better !!!!
Old 1 day ago
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Originally Posted by hypersync.09 View Post
I completely disagree. im using cubase since v2 , currently on version 8.

channel eq's suck
The default stock EQ bell filters are decramped (no frequency response warp towards Nyquist.) The controls/UI are OK too.

I don't know if the internal processing is 64-bit float or 32-bit float, but unless Steinberg have messed up, it really should sound the same as any other (IIR) clean EQ.

IIRC there's no gain/Q interaction, so it might not achieve the expected result compared to other EQs... but if you're using it for years then...

But for general purpose applications, it's really the UI/controls/control scaling that's the difference, NOT signal integrity.
Old 1 day ago
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[QUOTE=hypersync.09;12451062]Hello Everyone ,

Im mostly doing either trance or film music. been using cubase delays / reverbs / flangers / choruses etc for over 10 years now ,

But im really sick and tired of the "computer sounding and cold"vibe these plugins have (esp the cubase stock plugins)


I felt the same, until I started using Acoustica and Nebula stuff.Things sound vibrant and alive now.

Demo The Black Series from Prime Studios, Great comp. and Limiter, but I think the EQ really sounds alive. Core 9 Nebula derived. Bass, acoustic, drums, love it.
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