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Old 13th March 2017
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Well, in the same way that one could open a restaurant that would serve similar dishes to another restaurant it would be a "rip-off"? Or launching a TV station which shows TV programmes, as do 1000s of others...

OLED screens are of course a more recent invention, but it's just a matter of Apple cutting a deal to procure them from suppliers.

As for "smart" keyboard, this is a proper keyboard--and there's nothing "innovative" about it whatsoever:

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rip-off was a bit strong a term - "borrowed" is what I meant - I don't care that Apple implements other people's good ideas - all tech companies do it - that was my point. It's a two-way street.
Old 13th March 2017
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All tech companies follow each other all the time...Apple isn't immune to that.

Their "smart keyboard" for Ipad was a rip-off of the Surface.

The iphone 8's big expected upgrades appear to be wireless charging, fast charging and an Oled screen, all of which have been used by Samsung Galaxys for years. They will implement VR at some point, which, again , is already being done by many.

Apple Maps ....

Itunes Radio - see Spotify, Google Play Music, Pandora, or 100 other services that came before it etc.

I could go on, but you get the point I'm sure.
But, neither of these are the same as the purported originals. Apple's way is to do what others may have done before, just insanely better, and come up with stuff no-one thought of before or that everyone laughed at until Apple changed everything by selling, and selling. When they deviate from this ideal way of being inventive they are not serving their customers. Kick ass or get lost, Apple!

The first Galaxy was released in June 2009 with a 3.2-inch AMOLED touchscreen. That's not an iPad (2010), which had a three times bigger 9.7" touchscreen. The original iPhone, which is comparable to the Galaxy, was released in early 2007. Only in September 2010 did Samsung release the Galaxy Tab, a smallish 7inch tablet. Later in 2011 they released the Galaxy Note phablet. Your timeline is skewed and this doesn't matter because Android wasn't a viable music platform for several years whereas I've been making some music on iOS since 2010 at least.

The first "Tablet PCs" were not a success among music producers as far as I know though it seems to have sold a number of millions of units per year. The iPad was not built on that as a role model, but rather on the success of the iPhone and iPod Touch designs. The iPads kinda changed everything.

The first MS Surface was announced on June 18, 2012 a couple of years after the iPad. So I have no idea what you're on about really with that nicking on screen keyboard designs. There was on screen keyboards already in the nighties, a decade when Apple released a handheld that they later dropped, the Newton. I'm not sure if the Newton OS had an onscreen keyboard —*it was mostly focused on interpreting hand writing — but I remember both Mac OS and Windows having these. Who was first and does it matter? I don't think so. During this era Microsoft copied most things Apple did. Sometimes they invented stuff of course, but Microsoft of today is a way more inventive company.

The iThings and iOS make up a separate venture for Apple. It's ridiculous to claim they are going towards convergence at the moment, because there are very few signs of that, except the dumbing down of Apple apps in the name if syncing or whatever. The macOS itself remains stellar in my opinion. This pair is not what Windows 10 is, partly because Apple are viewing touchscreens as a partial thing on the Macs, unlike Microsoft.

Maybe Tablet PCs and later Surfaces changed something somewhere, but I have never seen it in use by anyone making music anywhere yet. I assume people use for something else.

This said I have been interested in that Slate Raven display, but I also understand there are issues with the interface in some DAWs. Have you tried this or something else for music production you can recommend?

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Old 13th March 2017
  #573
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But, neither of these are the same as the purported originals. Apple's way is to do what others may have done before, just insanely better, and come up with stuff no-one thought of before or that everyone laughed at until Apple changed everything by selling, and selling. When they deviate from this ideal way of being inventive they are not serving their customers. Kick ass or get lost, Apple!
Er, what have they come up with that no-one thought of before?

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The original iPhone, which is comparable to the Galaxy, was released in early 2007.
It is true that the mobile phone industry was making a total mess out of "smartphone"-type devices. But all the stuff, touch, gestures, etc. that went into the iPhone already existed. The fact that everyone else had such poor product doesn't mean that what Apple did was "insanely great!"

What really made these things viable was the development of lost cost/power CPUs and other parts with enough "horsepower" to fit into a handheld device whilst still having viable battery life.

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Only in September 2010 did Samsung release the Galaxy Tab, a smallish 7inch tablet. Later in 2011 they released the Galaxy Note phablet.
Releasing similar products in different form factors is not "innovative" or "inventive" or anything of the sort.

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The first "Tablet PCs" were not a success among music producers as far as I know though it seems to have sold a number of millions of units per year.
Ironically, Microsoft had actually done a lot of research into this area--they just never really pulled it altogether into a coherent package.

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During this era Microsoft copied most things Apple did. Sometimes they invented stuff of course, but Microsoft of today is a way more inventive company.
In the 1990s, whilst Apple was stuck with an outdated OS, Microsoft had created a full pre-emptive multitasking kernel mode OS (NT) from the ground-up. It wasn't until OS X that they had a "proper" core OS.

To pick one "innovation" from Microsoft in the 1990s: ClearType.

Microsoft's R&D budget is more than Apple's, in the 1990s it would have been many times more than Apple's, and as a percentage of revenue it's far higher than Apple's.

(Don't get me wrong, Apple have done some nice products over the years.)
Old 13th March 2017
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Well, if you can't have Sierra on your iPhone, you can have this at least :

Old 13th March 2017
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Well, if you can't have Sierra on your iPhone, you can have this at least :

Awesome.
Old 14th March 2017
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In the 1990s, whilst Apple was stuck with an outdated OS, Microsoft had created a full pre-emptive multitasking kernel mode OS (NT) from the ground-up. It wasn't until OS X that they had a "proper" core OS.
Both Windows NT and OS X had been developed elsewhere and was bought. Both companies did this. Please try harder.

It's uninteresting though as it was what both Microsoft and Apple did with what they bought that counts.
Old 14th March 2017
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Both Windows NT and OS X had been developed elsewhere and was bought. Both companies did this. Please try harder.
Windows NT was developed at Microsoft. (Albeit they "poached" key people from Digital.)

As you said (my emphasis): "There was on screen keyboards already in the nighties, a decade when Apple released a handheld that they later dropped, the Newton. I'm not sure if the Newton OS had an onscreen keyboard —*it was mostly focused on interpreting hand writing — but I remember both Mac OS and Windows having these. Who was first and does it matter? I don't think so. During this era Microsoft copied most things Apple did. Sometimes they invented stuff of course, but Microsoft of today is a way more inventive company."

Also in the 1990s, "innovation" in the UI: Start menu and Taskbar.

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It's uninteresting though as it was what both Microsoft and Apple did with what they bought that counts.
I agree that the core OS is not "interesting" if all else is equal. But the underpinnings of OS X (i.e. Based on BSD and Mach, the latter nothing to do with Mac--it was supposed to be a "microkernel" with most of the "kernel" in user mode but with NeXTSTEP/OS X this never happened) in fact have implications for the overall system performance.

Introducing different variations within a product line isn't "technology" is like talking about a car company introducing a 5 door version of a 3 door car whilst ignoring the platform development or a new engine.

I think I'm only being slightly facetious by saying that a discussion about the number of cupholders in a car may be interesting to the consumer, but it's a discussion about product features and not technology.

Or to put it another way, to exaggerate slightly, we are talking about plodding companies churning out the same commodity products year in, year out, with some new features or (typically overpriced and average quality) accessories.
Old 14th March 2017
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Windows NT was developed at Microsoft. (Albeit they "poached" key people from Digital.)
No, it wasn't. All the base of NT was bought pre-existing. That's a known fact for developers. Even DOS was appropriated, so it's not like it's something novel to do.
Old 14th March 2017
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The fact that everyone else had such poor product doesn't mean that what Apple did was "insanely great!"
Yeah, right. What Apple build is a complete package. You can hate it all you want but the 2013 Mac Pro was inventive no matter if you or anyone found it had some shortcomings. Just to name one example. That they stopped on that development track is a disgrace. Where's their cajones?

You need to read up on how freaking hard it is for Android handheld makers to even copy all the best features iPhone today. I'm not saying Android doesn't have any merits that are not negative, some models use the latest components around. But what does it matter if the whole isn't neat?

Bottom point, Android was, and at some level still is, a bad music producing platform. At least it's a contender since a few years.

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Releasing similar products in different form factors is not "innovative" or "inventive" or anything of the sort.
There were no similar products before the iPhone. Which is why so many laughed at the very idea.

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Ironically, Microsoft had actually done a lot of research into this area--they just never really pulled it altogether into a coherent package.
Yeah, they just released Windows phones implementing all the good ideas they had gathered. I have to say that I like much of the hardware MS have built trough the years. Keyboards and mice come to mind. Their new machines look hot, despite too many duocores.

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To pick one "innovation" from Microsoft in the 1990s: ClearType.

Microsoft's R&D budget is more than Apple's, in the 1990s it would have been many times more than Apple's, and as a percentage of revenue it's far higher than Apple's.
Microsoft did some important things for web design, like releasing free fonts!

But really, before Windows 7, music production on Windows was pretty much a joke as far as I'm concerned. Since Win 7 it's a contender and if your DAW is available on both platforms it's probably quite painless to switch. I do find the privacy concerns of Windows 10 to be utterly unacceptable so that's why I'm off Windows. Instead of Win 7 I installed Lubuntu (A light Linux distribution) on my PC.
Old 14th March 2017
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No, it wasn't. All the base of NT was bought pre-existing. That's a known fact for developers. Even DOS was appropriated, so it's not like it's something novel to do.
From Windows NT and VMS: The Rest of the Story | Windows Client content from Windows IT Pro (my emphasis):

"[In the 1970s] Digital had charged [Dave] Cutler, along with Dick Hustvedt and Peter Lipman, with designing VAX's OS, VMS. [...]

"[In 1988] Cutler decided to leave Digital, but before he could do so, Microsoft executives learned of the development and realized they had an ideal opportunity to hire Cutler. [...]

"In August 1988, Bill Gates hired Cutler. One of Cutler's conditions for moving to Microsoft was that he could bring around 20 former Digital employees with him. [...]"

"Digital developers wrote the VMS kernel almost entirely in VAX assembly language. To be portable across different CPU architectures, Microsoft developers wrote NT's kernel almost entirely in C. In developing NT, these designers rewrote VMS in C, cleaning up, tuning, tweaking, and adding some new functionality and capabilities as they went. This statement is in danger of trivializing their efforts; after all, the designers built a new API (i.e., Win32), a new file system (i.e., NTFS), and a new graphical interface subsystem and administrative environment while maintaining backward compatibility with DOS, OS/2, POSIX, and Win16. Nevertheless, the migration of VMS internals to NT was so thorough that within a few weeks of NT's release, Digital engineers noticed the striking similarities."
Old 14th March 2017
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Yeah, right. What Apple build is a complete package. You can hate it all you want but the 2013 Mac Pro was inventive no matter if you or anyone found it had some shortcomings. Just to name one example. That they stopped on that development track is a disgrace. Where's their cajones?
I don't "hate" Apple's products, I used to have some of their (desktop/laptop) products. As of Windows 7, I "switched back" to Windows.

Yes, the 2013 Mac Pro (even if it has shortcomings) is a very nice piece of design.

It's not what I'd call "inventive." It's a novel way to package a desktop which would have no doubt involved some engineering and production challenges.

I mean, loosely, OK, but really, the misuse of words--particularly "innovation"--is just leading to confusion.

Adding cupholders to a car is "innovative"--maybe? Are they useful? Yes. Are they an "insanely great" innovation? No.

A 30" 4K OLED display for my desk at a decent price, that's something to get excited about--and yes, getting there will, no doubt, involve a few _real_ innovations.

And I agree, it's not "nice" of Apple to leave its power user base, without which the company would not have made it through its darker days, languishing whilst raking up massive revenues and profits.

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You need to read up on how freaking hard it is for Android handheld makers to even copy all the best features iPhone today. I'm not saying Android doesn't have any merits that are not negative, some models use the latest components around. But what does it matter if the whole isn't neat?
I shall take your word for it as I don't really follow the latest mobile phone developments too closely. If a phone has a web browser, decent sized display, a few essential apps, reasonable camera, usable battery life, and it doesn't break with normal use, it'll do me. The desktop is where it's at for power use.

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There were no similar products before the iPhone. Which is why so many laughed at the very idea.
As I said, the packaging of existent technologies was novel. I don't recall all this "laughing" at the idea though? The rumour mill had been talking about an Apple phone for a few years--the main "laughable" idea, as I recall, was how Apple could possibly compete with incumbent mobile phone manufacturers, in a difficult market?

In terms of the UI, it's a multi-touchscreen GUI?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1L-yurw5no


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I have to say that I like much of the hardware MS have built trough the years. Keyboards and mice come to mind.
I agree, their keyboards and mice have long been great for the price. The IntelliMouse was the first "optical" mouse on the market IIRC.

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Microsoft did some important things for web design, like releasing free fonts!
That's really trivialising the respected work done by Microsoft's typography group led by Bill Hill.

Here's a very long document by Bill Hill summarising what's needed for screen readability/e-books etc. (From 1999!)

http://web.archive.org/web/201008150...com/osprey.doc

(Not that I'm anticipating that anyone reading this will actually read it, it's just there as a reference. However, the Microsoft "Channel 9" videos interviewing him are well worth watching as they discuss all sorts of evolutionary and cultural stuff.)

BTW, those "free web fonts" were specifically designed for screen readability and are very heavily hinted (hand-tuned) for readability at normal sizes.

IMHO, the combination of ClearType and Microsoft's OS-supplied fonts (optimised to work on-screen over looking attractive) to this day still has the best on-screen readability, particularly for "regular" (e.g. 100 rather than >300) dpi displays. It's the sort of thing people don't really think about, but constantly affects your use of the UI. In fact it's one of the reasons I switched from OS X back to Windows.

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But really, before Windows 7, music production on Windows was pretty much a joke as far as I'm concerned. Since Win 7 it's a contender and if your DAW is available on both platforms it's probably quite painless to switch.
Sure, the audio stack etc. didn't have a much needed overhaul until Windows Vista. Microsoft were behind OS X for a while in other areas too for a few years, as desktop compositing. Albeit at this time they had to fix up the security disaster that was Windows XP with SP2. (Of course it was targeted since it had the largest desktop user base by far.)

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I do find the privacy concerns of Windows 10 to be utterly unacceptable so that's why I'm off Windows. Instead of Win 7 I installed Lubuntu (A light Linux distribution) on my PC.
Privacy concerns? Just a matter of settings like turning off Cortana, Telemetry services etc.--or am I missing something?
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That's history revision right there.

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"For some reason, Digital killed the Mica project. Seizing the opportunity, Microsoft picked up Dave Cutler and his Mica team and funded the continuation of the Mica project within Microsoft. A few years later, Windows NT was born. Digital, however, suspected that NT was actually Mica reborn and hired an OS specialist to determine the similarities. According to inside sources, many portions of NT’s code and even the comments were identical to Mica. As a result, Digital sued Microsoft. Microsoft and Digital settled out of court and the result was the Digital/Microsoft Alliance. "
[My bold]
The Death of Alpha on NT by Mark Smith, Aug 26, 1999, Window IT Pro.

I also read an interview with a few of those core developers in a printed developer mag around then which is what I remembered. This is all so boring and non-musical though. Who wants to know about this nerd stuff?

Want to know one relevant fact that Apple invented? CoreAudio!

I remember when Windows using friends in 2003 with glowing eyes showed me their around 40ms latencies. They were so proud. I went "So? That's supposed to be good?".

Focus on music dammit!

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That's really trivialising the respected work done by Microsoft's typography group led by Bill Hill.

Here's a very long document by Bill Hill summarising what's needed for screen readability/e-books etc. (From 1999!)

http://web.archive.org/web/201008150...com/osprey.doc
Thanks for the link. I'm not trivializing anything. The typography work can make for the sorry excuse of a browser Internet Explorer was up until 8. Do you have any idea how much hate web designers had for Internet Explorer pre 8? In the end designers gave up and served IE users refusing to upgrade to later sane versions a non design, like a word page look or ran scripts replacing the big, big holes in that sorry piece of a browser. But I digress.


Music!

Music!

Music!
Old 15th March 2017
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Privacy concerns? Just a matter of settings like turning off Cortana, Telemetry services etc.--or am I missing something?
You can discuss that in the Windows 10 threads. Not here. This thread is about getting on Apple's case concerning hardware specifically, not about glorifying Microsoft or get into the minutiae of Windows history.
Old 15th March 2017
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That's history revision right there.


[My bold]
The Death of Alpha on NT by Mark Smith, Aug 26, 1999, Window IT Pro.

I also read an interview with a few of those core developers in a printed developer mag around then which is what I remembered. This is all so boring and non-musical though. Who wants to know about this nerd stuff?
Thanks for the link.

LOL--well if that's true then that's the part of the point really--Microsoft marketed NT as "New Technology," as if it was "innovative." It wasn't.

As the dispute was settled out-of-court, I guess we'll never know the "truth."

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Thanks for the link. I'm not trivializing anything. The typography work can make for the sorry excuse of a browser Internet Explorer was up until 8. Do you have any idea how much hate web designers had for Internet Explorer pre 8? In the end designers gave up and served IE users refusing to upgrade to later sane versions a non design, like a word page look or ran scripts replacing the big, big holes in that sorry piece of a browser. But I digress.
Yes, I agree IE was a piece of junk and a massive headache for web developers.

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This thread is about getting on Apple's case concerning hardware specifically, not about glorifying Microsoft or get into the minutiae of Windows history.
I have no interest in "glorifying" Microsoft--don't get me started on the Windows 8 "Start screen" for instance!

Go for it--Apple deserves to be moaned at. :-)

And there is one thing I will say, they have given the consumer electronics industry a massive and needed kick up the backside with regard to design.
Old 22nd March 2017
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Really dumb question to qwe and Mikael B, who cares someone somewhere always copies or steals someone else's idea. None of this would be here if it wasn't for creations made some 50-100 years ago or further back. Use what you want for music.
Old 23rd March 2017
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Really dumb question to qwe and Mikael B, who cares someone somewhere always copies or steals someone else's idea. None of this would be here if it wasn't for creations made some 50-100 years ago or further back. Use what you want for music.
Exactly. I don't care. Ultimately I use Windows because I prefer using it. I can say why; in some cases it is because of Microsoft's "proprietary" technologies--but the choice isn't based on who "invented" (or "innovated") what.

So that was my point really, that "innovation" is marketing claptrap most of the time, what's needed is the best implementation of existent technology.
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Apple's commitment to the CIA is strong, at least.

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Old 24th March 2017
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I'm tapping into Trumps samsung TV as we speak
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Not sure about that

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She looks almost as desperate as I am to hear that there's gonna be a new Cheese Grater™ from Apple.
Old 27th March 2017
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She looks almost as desperate as I am to hear that there's gonna be a new Cheese Grater™ from Apple.


I would love to see Apple drop their trashcan design, and go back to a more traditional larger case design for their Mac Pro line. Could be a new cheese Grater design, or something new that makes more sense than their current trash can design.

Will they release the new gen. of Mac Pros during Q2 2017 ?

I really hope so.
Old 28th March 2017
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For all of us not focused on walking on the scary, yet rewarding path of building our own desktop Macs, Apple CEO Tim Cook's internal interview answers on the topic of Mac Desktops and posted on an Apple employee message board should be interesting and possibly reassuring as well:



Source Techcrunch: Apple’s Tim Cook assures employees that it is committed to the Mac and that ‘great desktops’ are coming
lolz, apple
Old 28th March 2017
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As mentioned earlier, I recently switched from Apogee Ensemble II to UA Apollo. And UA has just released new drivers which allow multi-unit TB compatibility over Win 10. Just upgraded to Cubase 9 and will be starting my next project in C9 after having been mostly using Logic for the past 9 years. Not ready to abandon Apple yet, but I can't go on running my studio on a MBP waiting for them to make a move. At this point, I could easily switch over to a $1500 PC that would blow anything Apple is offering atm.
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I would love to see Apple drop their trashcan design, and go back to a more traditional larger case design for their Mac Pro line. Could be a new cheese Grater design, or something new that makes more sense than their current trash can design.

Will they release the new gen. of Mac Pros during Q2 2017 ?

I really hope so.
Indeed! We laugh, but it's an extremely-serious matter to both of us, I'm sure.

I've still got a few years that I'm prepared to wait for this. It's ridiculous that I can walk into any big-time electrical-white goods-computer superstore and buy any number of flavours of desktop machines, all sporting PCI slots, drive bays and what have you, and Apple is nowhere to be found. These stores sell iMacs and tablets, of course; Apple is simply MIA in the desktop departments. I haven't seen, nor do I expect to, a trash can in any of these places. I mean, people off the street just ain't gonna buy them when they're presented with all-in-one desktops at a tiny fraction of the price. They also don't want to have to invest in a bunch of peripheral gear simply in order to be able to run these expensive monsters in anything like the ways they would conventional machines.

Ridiculous. Shame on you, Apple. Sure, offer the cutting-edge video guys and Hollywood scorers with their mega-expensive VI farms something fancy if you like, but we, the "average" folk, just want to be able to express and live out our loyalty to the company as we always have - with cheese graters stuffed to the hilt with RAM, drives, PCI cards, burners and whatnot, all in one convenient place and without having to break the bank.

It's money sitting there waiting to be made, and for very-little effort when one considers the huge amount of R&D that must've gone into the trash cans.

Uugghh... I bitch about this every so many months, but I suffer in silence daily as I pine for Apple's return to traditional-desktop machines.
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It's money sitting there waiting to be made, and for very-little effort when one considers the huge amount of R&D that must've gone into the trash cans.
Apple Q1 2017 financial results & revenue figures | Apple earnings report - Macworld UK

Revenues:

iPhone: $54.378bn
Mac: $7.244bn
Services: $7.172bn
Old 28th March 2017
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The other thing is that in addition to mac sales being dwarfed by iPhone sales, Iphones are also a much higher margin item, which makes The mac much less of a priority, as we've seen.
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I totally hear you, qwe and Joseph (how are ya brother?).

All I'm saying is that it's money in the bag. If the company was willing to spend what it did developing the trash can, for what I predict would have been minuscule sales figures (yes, the RRP is much-higher) when compared to a potential tower, it's surely a no-brainer to put the latter, which is hardly-evolutionary and would require peanuts for R&D, out there, IMHO.
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