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Best way to high-pass Equalizer Plugins
Old 11th December 2016
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Best way to high-pass

Hello!

Often it's necessary for the mix to thin out some instruments.

As I don't like the artifacts caused by linear phase high-passing, (pre-ringing) and cutting with a 48 dB slope and a minimum phase eq often sounds unnatural, I tend to use 6 dB and 12 dB slopes. But that's often not enough - forcing the me to go higher in the spectrum, touching frequencies better left alone.

So what is the best way to remove low-end energy, without abusing the tonal balance in other frequencies, without unpredictably changing peak levels, ringing, or distortion?? (Either by eq or other techniques)

Sometimes I get the impression, I should try out using analog gear on the way in to thin out the low-end naturally or record everything with less bass energy in the first place.

Which techniques are you guy using to remove low-end naturally? Recording to tape? Analog eqs? (Which ones)
Clever micing? Transformers? Digital shelving instead of high-pass? (Which plugins?)

Thank you!

NC
Old 11th December 2016
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Sometimes I get the impression, I should try out using analog gear on the way in to thin out the low-end naturally or record everything with less bass energy in the first place.
or move the mic. and a good number of mics have a proximity boost in the bass.
moving it back can clear things up.
Old 11th December 2016
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I don't know if this is the "best way", best depends on the case and the target.
If you need a filter, with its up- and downsides, the Brainworks Cleansweep Pro is in the sale at the moment, more for creative use.
Old 12th December 2016
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Linear phase is a bad idea for high passing but most other eqs should be fine for separate channels work. I use uad mostly, trident a range has excellent & clean hp filters to tighten any sound, api vision cs is clean sounding too, api 560 has a commanding character which can act like hp near full attenuation... transformers work too its your choice just try things, my go to tranny is lindell channel x. On m buss i dont like transformers that much, in general epure is the best hp i ve found for that task. Other clean ones are massenburg eq, oxford and fab filter.

There's no best, some times you may like phase shift and colouration , others not. In the master things get more tricky as we usually prefer clarity and punch.
Old 12th December 2016
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If basic minimum-phase HPF is not enough, than i'd say something is wrong.
Old 12th December 2016
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Try different ones. The best are better than the rest.
Old 12th December 2016
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Try different ones. The best are better than the rest.
This. For whatever reason, not every HPF seems to cut it (no pun intended). Some of my favorites:

Sonimus Satson
UAD Neve 1073
Mellowmuse EQ1A (free)
Lindell 6X-500
Old 13th December 2016
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Satson is indeed great. I use Sweetone more though.

Sand by Acustica is the best I've tried IMO. (30 day trial... A ton of utility beyond those filters too!)

The 202 by McDsp is a pretty fine plug too! If you ever feel like challenging yourself to mix with only filters (for fun)... The 202 and smart use of resonance on them can get you quote far!
Old 13th December 2016
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As I don't like the artifacts caused by linear phase high-passing, (pre-ringing) and cutting with a 48 dB slope and a minimum phase eq often sounds unnatural, I tend to use 6 dB and 12 dB slopes. But that's often not enough - forcing the me to go higher in the spectrum, touching frequencies better left alone.

So what is the best way to remove low-end energy, without abusing the tonal balance in other frequencies, without unpredictably changing peak levels, ringing, or distortion?? (Either by eq or other techniques)
If you're not getting the sound you're looking for with a standard minimum phase Butterworth 12 dB slope, then perhaps try a Bessel HPF instead?

That can work well on sources that are square or brickwall limited (certain samples for instances). You'll never get around phase changes or changes in peak energy with IIR EQs (due to phase changes and post filter ringing), but a Bessel filter can provide a slightly different and sometimes nicer phase change on a particular source, trading this for less efficiency.

If you're on a Mac (AU) I can send you a nice switchable Butterworth/Bessel 12 or 18 dB slope filter plug-in if you pop me an email. holger [at] onlinemastering.dk

I had it made because I couldn't find something that was low distortion/64 bits with a compact interface that had both Butterworth and Bessel. The frequency steps are loosely based on my Dangerous BAX hardware EQ HPF. More info in this JPG, you probably need to download and/or zoom in http://www.bifrostaudio.com/grafix/bifrostwebpic.jpg

Other than that I think that DMG has an EQ with a Bessel option.

Last edited by Lagerfeldt; 13th December 2016 at 09:19 AM..
Old 13th December 2016
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Satson
Vumt deluxe


Both have very natural sounding filters..
Old 13th December 2016
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DDMF IIEQ pro has both Bessel and Butterworth filters, btw.
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Satson is indeed great. I use Sweetone more though.

Sand by Acustica is the best I've tried IMO. (30 day trial... A ton of utility beyond those filters too!)

The 202 by McDsp is a pretty fine plug too! If you ever feel like challenging yourself to mix with only filters (for fun)... The 202 and smart use of resonance on them can get you quote far!
The McDSP Filterbank 202 is my fav too.

I use the filter and its resonance peak control very often on kick drum.
Old 13th December 2016
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1) try using serial HPF with oversampling with low cutoff setting instead (e.g., 3 serial 6 dB/octave filters at 40 to cut 60)
2) check out ToneBoosters Flx, there's plenty of weird filters and phase is adaptive
3) passive eq shelving, why not? puigtec or another pultec-alike eq could handle low frequencies with better "vibe"
Old 13th December 2016
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Shelf instead?
Old 13th December 2016
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Pro q2 6 db shelf the smoothest Ive heard.
Old 13th December 2016
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I like Ozone's filters, but it's a bit much to pull one up just to use a HPF.

Satson, Britson, philta, UAD Pultec HLF-3C, Cambridge are the ones I tend to use
Old 15th April 2017
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Gotta love the Sonimus Sweetone HPF. The Sonimus SonEQ and Son EQ Pro are nice too.
Not enough experience with their Britson and Satson plugins yet but they sure sound promising.
Sometimes the old IK Classic EQ hits the spot.
All of the above are either free or extremely affordable.
Old 15th April 2017
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use a bell filter intead and do a wide cut at i.e 20hz.
Old 15th April 2017
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I don't like HPFiltering, it's messing too much with the sound. I use shelving.
Old 15th April 2017
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I was trying to work on some music, but now they are doing some loud construction outside. (wtf?)

Huge bump on an awesome thread. I am moving towards what szmola said. Shelves. I am starting to leave HHs low end too, these days. The low end on HHs sound (feels) good to me.

HLF- 3C is awesome
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