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Old 27th June 2016
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Should I upgrade to Windows 10? (free until the 29th)

Since W10 is free until the 29th, I'm wondering if I should upgrade from W8. I recently had to tear down my studio (buying a new home soon) thus cannot do any serious projects at the moment anyway....so perhaps this would be a great time to make the jump. I use Cubase 8.5 - Any reasons I shouldn't just go for it?

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Old 27th June 2016
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No problems here with studio 1 3 pro... That being said, all of my devices had new win 10 drivers (yay rme)

If u have some old legacy gear I might want to do some more research first
Old 27th June 2016
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Since W10 is free until the 29th, I'm wondering if I should upgrade from W8. I recently had to tear down my studio (buying a new home soon) thus cannot do any serious projects at the moment anyway....so perhaps this would be a great time to make the jump. I use Cubase 8.5 - Any reasons I shouldn't just go for it?

Thanks!
Big discussion here: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/musi...nces-here.html

A short summary is that it typically works very well for DAW work, possibly slightly better than W7. A few people are concerned will Microsoft's telemetry but the most common worry is probably the auto-updates that are hard or impossible to stop.

My personal opinion is that it's good. And at some point this will be the only OS that MS supports so it's just as well to go with the flow.
Old 27th June 2016
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Thanks for the information. Question - without having an actual windows 10 disc, what if I need to reinstall my OS drive later this year or next year. How does that all work when I only have windows 8 discc? Thanks again.
Old 27th June 2016
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Thanks for the information. Question - without having an actual windows 10 disc, what if I need to reinstall my OS drive later this year or next year. How does that all work when I only have windows 8 discc? Thanks again.

Here is the way it works for win10 Pro. Or I should say, the way I've been doing it for the past 8 months. This includes my favorite update + clean install procedure....

1. Today, take out your existing C drive and place it on a shelf etc for a few minutes.

2. Pop in a new, or other completely unformatted drive and do a quick install of your windows 8 with your win8 dvd. Don't even bother installing your daw or anything other than the os. Takes what, ten minutes? Doesn't even matter if all your drivers are installed.

3. Get online to the MS tool to upgrade your quickie win8 install up to win10. Takes about fifteen minutes. This process is mostly only so that you get your activation out of the way for 10. Once the upgrade install completes and you see the "activation successful" icon....Done. MS now sees your hardware, activates win10 with a serial. You'll never need the serial as MS sees your hardware for any future installs on that machine and clears you right through future activations.

4. Take this newly created C drive out and reformat it later today to use for whatever.

5. Pop in your main C drive and go back to work with your windows 8. Later on this week, also download the full win10 iso and save it to something (external hard drive etc) so that you can do a full clean install at your whim two weeks from now or two years from now.

Why do the quickie 8 reinstall first? Because it only takes a few minutes and the win10 upgrade onto that fresh 8 drive is BAZILLIONS of times faster than upgrading your "real" C drive that's full of music, photos, porno, etc. Plus, nothing in your win8 drive is touched.... just in case you're wanting to stick with your win8 system longer.


Okay, next Christmas you decide, okay, I'm gonna do a real win10 install now. Take out the win8 c drive and pop in a new drive (empty, unformatted) like you did today. This time though, you won't first install win8. Instead, you'll install a clean fresh iso of win10.....from the iso you downloaded at an earlier time and saved. No serial needed because MS sees that this is the same pc as you did the earlier upgrade on. Activation shows successful at the end of install.

Voila... clean install.... still on a separate drive so that you, at your leisure, can build out your win10 system as fast or slow as you want.

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Old 27th June 2016
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Also, am I understand correctly when I hear that you cannot turn off automatic updates with windows 10? That cannot be good, if true, while using working, recording, etc. Hopefully I heard that incorrectly.
Old 27th June 2016
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Also, am I understand correctly when I hear that you cannot turn off automatic updates with windows 10? That cannot be good, if true, while using working, recording, etc. Hopefully I heard that incorrectly

It sure would've been an issue on windows98se and xp! The reality based on my 8 months with win10 is that win10 updates don't affect recording/working etc. Win10 is set (by me) for example, to never upgrade certain drivers like my sound card and other peripherals.

I have the settings in 10 set to prompt me if a restart is ever necessary so that I can do it when it's convenient for me. Plus, aside from initial setup, it's not like there are updates every day or every week.
Old 27th June 2016
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If you buy a laptop with a Win 10 install can you use the key to install Win 7 instead?
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If you buy a laptop with a Win 10 install can you use the key to install Win 7 instead?
no. But if you own a retail standalone dvd of win7 and haven't installed it on a computer, you can certainly wipe the oem win10 and do a fresh install of win7. But then how would you get 10 back if you wanted....... that... only the maker of your computer could tell you since they're the provider..... maybe they give you one of those horrible bloatware reinstall dvds. I'd personally want to be able to do fresh installs.
Old 27th June 2016
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I only ask in case I buy a Win 10 laptop and discover some of my hardware isn't compatible. Unlikely I guess. In which case I'd prop have to stump up for a new Win 7 key.
Old 1st July 2016
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Agreed on the best get with the program and do a win 10 install. MS can literally decide at any moment that 10 will be the only os it supports. My guess is that will go down sooner rather than later based on the gripes registered from legacy versions who got tricked into a win 10 upgrade.

MS win 10 adoption has been the most agressive I've ever seen... And I'm old and remember ms-dos. I can only assume that the reason they are pushing down our throats -- for free -- is pretty important... Like, ms just wants to kill all prior versions ASAP.

Assuming all your applications and plugins are legit and not cracked, I'd first make a list of all that you wish to continue using... Make sure you have your login info for the devs' websites... Download everything to a stick or removable drive...

I think I posted here earlier that my win 10 upgrade was easy and I've never had a problem with drivers or updates cocking up my daw machine... If you're running some ancient gear (echo Layla) that's not supported? That means upgrade your gear or get comfortable using a machine where the os is old and completely unsupported.
Old 1st July 2016
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I went from Win7 to Win10 last month. Aside from a Tascam driver that is slightly wobbly and requires me to pull the USB cable out of my converter every now and then, everything is good. I'm very pleased I finally did it. As mentioned above, I wouldn't do an upgrade but just buy a new drive (I paid £50 for a 240GB SSD) and do a fresh install to that. Much much better and in reality, didn't take too long to get all my stuff installed and working, certainly I had most of it working the same evening.

Not being able to turn off updates was a bit alarming because I disabled updates under Windows 7 (you can under Win10 if you have a usb wi-fi connection, but who in their right mind uses usb wi-fi on a DAW) but in a month I haven't had any issues at all.

So yeah, definitely worth it if your hardware and software supports it.
Old 1st July 2016
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Here is the way it works for win10 Pro. Or I should say, the way I've been doing it for the past 8 months. This includes my favorite update + clean install procedure....

1. Today, take out your existing C drive and place it on a shelf etc for a few minutes.

2. Pop in a new, or other completely unformatted drive and do a quick install of your windows 8 with your win8 dvd. Don't even bother installing your daw or anything other than the os. Takes what, ten minutes? Doesn't even matter if all your drivers are installed.

3. Get online to the MS tool to upgrade your quickie win8 install up to win10. Takes about fifteen minutes. This process is mostly only so that you get your activation out of the way for 10. Once the upgrade install completes and you see the "activation successful" icon....Done. MS now sees your hardware, activates win10 with a serial. You'll never need the serial as MS sees your hardware for any future installs on that machine and clears you right through future activations.

4. Take this newly created C drive out and reformat it later today to use for whatever.

5. Pop in your main C drive and go back to work with your windows 8. Later on this week, also download the full win10 iso and save it to something (external hard drive etc) so that you can do a full clean install at your whim two weeks from now or two years from now.

Why do the quickie 8 reinstall first? Because it only takes a few minutes and the win10 upgrade onto that fresh 8 drive is BAZILLIONS of times faster than upgrading your "real" C drive that's full of music, photos, porno, etc. Plus, nothing in your win8 drive is touched.... just in case you're wanting to stick with your win8 system longer.


Okay, next Christmas you decide, okay, I'm gonna do a real win10 install now. Take out the win8 c drive and pop in a new drive (empty, unformatted) like you did today. This time though, you won't first install win8. Instead, you'll install a clean fresh iso of win10.....from the iso you downloaded at an earlier time and saved. No serial needed because MS sees that this is the same pc as you did the earlier upgrade on. Activation shows successful at the end of install.

Voila... clean install.... still on a separate drive so that you, at your leisure, can build out your win10 system as fast or slow as you want.
This is the best way to do it. Excellent post.
Old 1st July 2016
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WELL....yesterday i took the plunge and updated to 10 pro from 7. The first update installed flawlessly and my programs where intact but the update made my comp slow. So i installed it again on two hard drives that had years of work because i had a third hard drive that had 7 on it and i figured i could just move over all my files to that one if the install went bad.

Well the 2nd time went perfect and it staed beautifu and my comp ran better thenbefore, BUT I NOTICED MY FILES GONE. Everythingon both hard drives. Panic set it. I figured im officially done with music. GOOD news is it saved all my files but i had to reinstall all my programs. I spent the last 12 reinstalling. Going on no sleep and the last one im doing now is omnisphere. I feel so much better and in the end i really like 10 over 7.
Old 1st July 2016
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No serial needed because MS sees that this is the same pc as you did the earlier upgrade on. Activation shows successful at the end of install.
Good luck with that. Occasionally MS Updates come through that trash the activation status and ask you to reactivate. like happened with Office 2016 this week and the OS in the past.

I would write down the serial somewhere using one of the serial number interrogation tools and save it in a safe place. Then at least you can type it in if required.
Old 1st July 2016
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Good luck with that. Occasionally MS Updates come through that trash the activation status and ask you to reactivate. like happened with Office 2016 this week and the OS in the past.

I would write down the serial somewhere using one of the serial number interrogation tools and save it in a safe place. Then at least you can type it in if required.
I have yet to see win10 call for a reactivation of the os but if it has happened to you, having a product id still would not be a ticket to anything...... unless I'm missing something.

If win10 were to ask (or in your case, has asked) for an os reactivation on a particular machine that was a clean install, the procedure is not typing something in, but rather connecting to their servers where your computer structure (or whatever) is compared on the ms server to verify your hardware is the same. The activation is then granted or rejected on that basis.

Having said that, it's possible I'm not understanding your win10 scenario.

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Old 3rd July 2016
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If win10 were to ask (or in your case, has asked) for an os reactivation on a particular machine that was a clean install, the procedure is not typing something in, but rather connecting to their servers where your computer structure (or whatever) is compared on the ms server to verify your hardware is the same. The activation is then granted or rejected on that basis.
I have had, on more than one occasion, a need to reactivate after updates, Clicking change product key and entering the key I recorded when built or the Office key has restored the activation status.
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