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Old 23rd January 2007
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floppies have RIDICULOUS low end. for hip hop it's the bees knees. when the mpc's went from floppies to compact flash i knew it was over for hip hop.

floppy kick soundwave:



compact flash kick soundwave:


enough said.
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Old 23rd January 2007
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floppies have RIDICULOUS low end. for hip hop it's the bees knees. when the mpc's went from floppies to compact flash i knew it was over for hip hop.

floppy kick soundwave:



compact flash kick soundwave:


enough said.

You failed to give the song tempo. For fast songs they need one of these.http://www.memorydepot.com/details.a...2GIDE2544TURBO

Compact flash only for halfast songs.
Old 23rd January 2007
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I bet you the guy has $400 wooden knobs on his home stereo and a $600 jar of marbles sitting on his SACD player.
Love it!

Old 23rd January 2007
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i just ordered a lacie firewire driveheh
Old 23rd January 2007
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I now use Shakti Stones http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm on my LaCie drives, and they gained SOOO much definition and air without losing any weight.

But it still cant' beat my C64 Datasette, the ultimate Digital/Analogue beast!
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Old 23rd January 2007
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Thanks very much guys for the fun. This has certainly been entertaining. i'll keep an eye out to see if anyone does some scientific testing. my very best to you all.

Nathaniel Kunkel
You know, as someone else that was in the room, I'm very disappointed in the majority of the responses that have been posted here. This is alot of wasted energy directed at a gentlemen that could pass on some very important and helpful information to people that frequent this forum. He was very eager to speak with those in the room and couldn't wait for us to start asking questions. He could have just talked at us for an hour and left, instead he proceeded to pass on information regarding his workflow (which was why Digi brought him in) and actually told us to pay attention to what our ears are hearing.

I just find it sad that people are spending this much time slagging a guy that made a comment you don't agree with. Like I said, I was in the room and I'm not going to discount Nate (who took time out of his schedule to come talk to us, he didn't have to, this was NAMM not AES) because he made that comment. I think the way his body of work sounds tells me he has good ears.
Old 23rd January 2007
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I just find it sad that people are spending this much time slagging a guy that made a comment you don't agree with. Like I said, I was in the room and I'm not going to discount Nate (who took time out of his schedule to come talk to us, he didn't have to, this was NAMM not AES) because he made that comment. I think the way his body of work sounds tells me he has good ears.
What's differnt from his remarks, versus they guy who posted that Mac's sound better than PC's?

If he can pick what was mixed using SATA vs Firewire from files provided, then the proof is there. Otherwise, for me, it's just another "green sharpie on the CD" thing.
Old 23rd January 2007
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You know, as someone else that was in the room, I'm very disappointed in the majority of the responses that have been posted here. This is alot of wasted energy directed at a gentlemen that could pass on some very important and helpful information to people that frequent this forum. He was very eager to speak with those in the room and couldn't wait for us to start asking questions. He could have just talked at us for an hour and left, instead he proceeded to pass on information regarding his workflow (which was why Digi brought him in) and actually told us to pay attention to what our ears are hearing.

I just find it sad that people are spending this much time slagging a guy that made a comment you don't agree with. Like I said, I was in the room and I'm not going to discount Nate (who took time out of his schedule to come talk to us, he didn't have to, this was NAMM not AES) because he made that comment. I think the way his body of work sounds tells me he has good ears.
Interesting first post.
Old 23rd January 2007
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Ok guys,

I did it. I made a mixdown through Cubase sx of a short song and then copied the song to a FW drive and mixdown again. Both mixes are identical and cancel out when phase reversed..... and "no" I cannot for the life of me hear so much as a tiny difference and "yes" I have pretty good hearing

I cannot believe that I actually tried this silly test..... I feel like I just fell for an obvious joke. Should I have seen this comming?
Old 23rd January 2007
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Putting Norwegian Wood on top of heat sinks really helps. It's a Brit Mod we can all afford.

Also, braid the cables clockwise if you're above the equator, and counter-clockwise if you're below. If you're on the Equator, run them straight, but ideally either perpendicular or parallel to the Earth's flux. Use a compass to find true north. Note: you'll need to compensate for true north by adjusting for the field generated by your equipment.

All the best studios bias their magnetic field by burying load-stones under the Studio.

It's a little known Masonic fact!
This is clearly misleading the general public... Please refer to www.snopes.com --- Everyone should be aware that heat rises. As a consequence, the Pierrick special edition LaZee FW disk is bogus and a waste of your hard-earned cash... SATA still wins hands-down. Take you missus for a nice dinner instead
Old 23rd January 2007
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Firewire drives always sound better on a Mac.


Nic
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You know, as someone else that was in the room, I'm very disappointed in the majority of the responses that have been posted here. This is alot of wasted energy directed at a gentlemen that could pass on some very important and helpful information to people that frequent this forum. He was very eager to speak with those in the room and couldn't wait for us to start asking questions. He could have just talked at us for an hour and left, instead he proceeded to pass on information regarding his workflow (which was why Digi brought him in) and actually told us to pay attention to what our ears are hearing.

I just find it sad that people are spending this much time slagging a guy that made a comment you don't agree with. Like I said, I was in the room and I'm not going to discount Nate (who took time out of his schedule to come talk to us, he didn't have to, this was NAMM not AES) because he made that comment. I think the way his body of work sounds tells me he has good ears.


oooops

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Old 23rd January 2007
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I did some tests, and there really is no mistaking it. The internal drives really DO sound better.
YES, that IS a reference mic, so my measurements are within +/-2dB ish of flat

Let's take hard disc recording to the next level!!

Check my blog for full size images

Dave.

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Old 23rd January 2007
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heh --- I like your sig!
Old 23rd January 2007
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I did some tests, and there really is no mistaking it. The internal drives really DO sound better.
YES, that IS a reference mic, so my measurements are within +/-2dB ish of flat

Let's take hard disc recording to the next level!!

Check my blog for full size images

Dave.
LMAO.....touche
Old 23rd January 2007
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You know, as someone else that was in the room, I'm very disappointed in the majority of the responses that have been posted here. This is alot of wasted energy directed at a gentlemen that could pass on some very important and helpful information to people that frequent this forum. He was very eager to speak with those in the room and couldn't wait for us to start asking questions. He could have just talked at us for an hour and left, instead he proceeded to pass on information regarding his workflow (which was why Digi brought him in) and actually told us to pay attention to what our ears are hearing.

I just find it sad that people are spending this much time slagging a guy that made a comment you don't agree with. Like I said, I was in the room and I'm not going to discount Nate (who took time out of his schedule to come talk to us, he didn't have to, this was NAMM not AES) because he made that comment. I think the way his body of work sounds tells me he has good ears.
has anyone ever been given a job for kissing ass and defending a well known engineer on these forums?

so, should being a nice guy with good ears exempt you from criticism when you say something completely wrong?

I think that for an audio professional, with good ears and good credits, for him to have spouted that nonsense without having tried a null test, is pretty irresponsible. I'm sure that there's plenty that I could still learn from this guy. But, I'm less inclined to care about that because he's demonstrated that he'll happily present his (still untested as far as we know) opinion as fact.

I know that this is hard for some to deal with... and, I'm not talking about this guy specifically, because honestly, I have no idea who he is. He may or may not have done records that I love... but, I've come into contact with PLENTY of engineers with great credits who seem to have lucked into doing great work. I've seen guys who have made fantastic records, but don't even know how to really use some of thier gear.

Having good credits or being in demand as an engineer obviously means that they've probably got some knowledge to share... but, it shouldn't at all exempt them from criticism or a little jabbing when they say something that is just wrong. He may have heard a difference... but, I'm betting it was something other than just the fact that the sessions were being read from different drives.

The people around here who line up to kiss ass and slobber all over anyone with a successful commercial release, are just sad. Why should I offer them any more "respect" than some guy who has been recording local bands for 20 years and making a good living and leading a happy life.

If a little bit of criticism of a guy who made a statement that the vast majority of us believe to be inaccurate, is going to scare him away from posting on this board, then honestly, I don't really care. But, in this case, and in most cases, it's not going to. The guy obviously has a thick skin and believes what he heard and said. Which makes it all the more funny that corporate music fanboys will fall all over themselves to defend anyone who's ever worked with a celebrity.

This guy doesn't NEED you suckups defending him. Especially if you're not even going to comment on what the discussion is actually about (internal vs. firewire drives), but are simply here to defend his honor and his credits and let us all know that you don't question people who have credits that impress you.
Old 23rd January 2007
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You know, as someone else that was in the room, I'm very disappointed in the majority of the responses that have been posted here. This is alot of wasted energy directed at a gentlemen that could pass on some very important and helpful information to people that frequent this forum. He was very eager to speak with those in the room and couldn't wait for us to start asking questions. He could have just talked at us for an hour and left, instead he proceeded to pass on information regarding his workflow (which was why Digi brought him in) and actually told us to pay attention to what our ears are hearing.

I just find it sad that people are spending this much time slagging a guy that made a comment you don't agree with. Like I said, I was in the room and I'm not going to discount Nate (who took time out of his schedule to come talk to us, he didn't have to, this was NAMM not AES) because he made that comment. I think the way his body of work sounds tells me he has good ears.
It's not a matter of not agreeing...

Anyone with a correct concept of "digital data" knowns that claim of his is absolutely false. Period.

ps: I bet he had some sort of other problem that he didn't explain well...
Old 23rd January 2007
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has anyone ever been given a job for kissing ass and defending a well known engineer on these forums?

so, should being a nice guy with good ears exempt you from criticism when you say something completely wrong?


The people around here who line up to kiss ass and slobber all over anyone with a successful commercial release, are just sad. Why should I offer them any more "respect" than some guy who has been recording local bands for 20 years and making a good living and leading a happy life.

If a little bit of criticism of a guy who made a statement that the vast majority of us believe to be inaccurate, is going to scare him away from posting on this board, then honestly, I don't really care. But, in this case, and in most cases, it's not going to. The guy obviously has a thick skin and believes what he heard and said. Which makes it all the more funny that corporate music fanboys will fall all over themselves to defend anyone who's ever worked with a celebrity.

This guy doesn't NEED you suckups defending him. Especially if you're not even going to comment on what the discussion is actually about (internal vs. firewire drives), but are simply here to defend his honor and his credits and let us all know that you don't question people who have credits that impress you.
Man,

You are SO passionate about this! I don't feel the need to defend him, I barely met the guy. But do you have access to George Massenburg's knowledge or recording techniques? The fact is I thought that the statement was his opinion and I left it at that. My point is the statement didn't come close to deserving 5 PAGES worth of sillyness when there are other important topics that can be discussed. The majority of us don't have systems or rooms that are clean enough to be able to hear the difference if the difference existed! Besides, everyone of us hears things that others don't. That is why we are good at what we do! Does perfect pitch not exist because I don't have it? I don't agree with it, and I'm not going to try ANY test because I think it is a waste of time. But that doesn't mean that I NEED to go out of my way to denegrate another human being because they made an outrageous statement. There is enough of that already. I think that you, as well as all of the other posters here have some valid helpful information to offer to others. I think that it is a shame that the energy is being wasted on saying that Nate is another snake oil salesman. Judge him by his work. Hell, Werner Von Braun worked for Hitler, yet he is the same man that got the US space program working. Judge him by his body of work.
Old 23rd January 2007
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it's kind of funny because if Nathaniel Kunkel was a regular poster around here, there'd be a half a dozen posters lined up to kiss his ass and claim that they, too, can hear a difference.

It just goes to show, there are plenty of engineers with plenty of experience making great recordings who manage to get there through trial and error and using their ears, even if they might be pretty clueless about how some of the stuff REALLY works.
I had a very well known (and good) engineer tell me, that he doesn't copy soundfiles in Protools, because they would yound different.
Old 23rd January 2007
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Hell, Werner Von Braun worked for Hitler, yet he is the same man that got the US space program working. Judge him by his body of work.

OOOOPS, unlucky comparison.....Its off topic I know but you re not serious about that are you?

Leni Riefenstahl (the woman that made the hitler films that helped the ****s transport their views) was without a doubt a very talented filmmaker, some of her techniques are industry standard now.

Goebbels was a genius when it came to marketing the ****s. Would he have worked for coca cola they would be twice as big.

The WORK of people can NOT only be judged by the skills but also the results in a broader context.


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Old 23rd January 2007
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Man,

My point is the statement didn't come close to deserving 5 PAGES worth of sillyness when there are other important topics that can be discussed. The majority of us don't have systems or rooms that are clean enough to be able to hear the difference if the difference existed! Besides, everyone of us hears things that others don't. That is why we are good at what we do! Does perfect pitch not exist because I don't have it? I don't agree with it, and I'm not going to try ANY test because I think it is a waste of time. But that doesn't mean that I NEED to go out of my way to denegrate another human being because they made an outrageous statement. There is enough of that already. I think that you, as well as all of the other posters here have some valid helpful information to offer to others. I think that it is a shame that the energy is being wasted on saying that Nate is another snake oil salesman. Judge him by his work. Hell, Werner Von Braun worked for Hitler, yet he is the same man that got the US space program working. Judge him by his body of work.
I really don't think the vast majority of the posts are directed at him personally. Some of it is just fun, and some of it is an overall WTF to concepts of low-jitter digital cable, green sharpies, oxygen-free copper, 24 bit fixed vs 32 point floating, Reason sound engine vs Live, tubes vs solid state, tape vs bits and on and on etc etc WOW (as Sly Stone out it)! As a matter of fact, I still get goosebumps listening to Sly's performance at Woodstock with all its inherent ground loops, buzzes, feedback, distortion, and VIBE.

People, relax...have fun and make music!

(It's all gonna wind up on MP3 anyway)
Old 23rd January 2007
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Man,

You are SO passionate about this! I don't feel the need to defend him, I barely met the guy. But do you have access to George Massenburg's knowledge or recording techniques?
Workign under/with George Massenburg means dick.
I've worjed with engineers that have worked under/alongside great engineers, that sucked.
Old 23rd January 2007
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so...

let me get this straight...

****s prefer SATA drives?
Old 23rd January 2007
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Semi-off topic but which type of drive would help me fight global warming?

Thanks.
Old 23rd January 2007
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Man,

You are SO passionate about this! I don't feel the need to defend him, I barely met the guy.
yeah... that's the point. NOBODY needs to defend HIM. HE is not under attack. SOMETHING HE SAID is under attack... but, then that's my whole point... Nobody is defending WHAT HE SAID. But, there are plenty of people lining up to defend HIM, just because he's famous.
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some theories are so out there that they are ridiculed. if this guy was basing his career on this scientific fact it would probably hurt him that people are making a joke of it. he is not. i'm sure he could care less what people think here. if he is right then he already has the last laugh.
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so...

let me get this straight...

****s prefer SATA drives?

Absolutely They dont like anything that comes from the outside..




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Old 23rd January 2007
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yeah... that's the point. NOBODY needs to defend HIM. HE is not under attack. SOMETHING HE SAID is under attack... but, then that's my whole point... Nobody is defending WHAT HE SAID. But, there are plenty of people lining up to defend HIM, just because he's famous.
Now here is something that we can slightly agree on. I'm not defending him cause he's famous. I am saying that since I was there I took what was said with a grain of salt. I believe that this has gone to such a grand scale BECAUSE he is famous. If you and I were hanging out and I said to you that wild monkeys flew out of my butt last night, you would shake your head and walk away (most likely never to hang out with me again ) but you wouldn't waste this amount of energy or time when you could be persuing creative endeavors. I'm not mad at 'cha, I believe that someone with your passion could be doing great things other than getting all spun up about something that was said in a room of 6 people.
Old 23rd January 2007
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I definitely want to know more about that monkey.....
Old 23rd January 2007
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so...

let me get this straight...

****s prefer SATA drives?
While we haven't settled the mass storage argument, we have certainly strengthened the case for Godwin's Law.
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