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RME babyface -> behringer ada 8200 Digital Converters
Old 31st October 2015
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RME babyface -> behringer ada 8200

Hey all,

I have a behringer ada 8200 connected to my rme babyface via ADAT. The inputs on the behringer work fine, but am trying to get the outputs working as well. I'd like to bounce some samples out of the behringer, through a hardware compressor, then back in. I take it I need one toslink cable for the inputs of the behringer and one for the outputs?

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Old 31st October 2015
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Indeed: one cable for adat in, one cable for adat out.
Old 31st October 2015
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Yes, two cables. But use the RME for that if possible. The Babyface converters and noise floor are much better than the Behringer.
Old 31st October 2015
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hmm had both adat cables in with no luck for sound from the outputs. Will the outputs just mirror the output of the babyface? hmm.... Its possible that its some routing in totalmix
Old 31st October 2015
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hmm had both adat cables in with no luck for sound from the outputs. Will the outputs just mirror the output of the babyface? hmm.... Its possible that its some routing in totalmix
they will be labeled ADAT1, ADAT2, etc in TotalMix unless you've changed the names. Try to default the TotalMix mixer.
Old 3rd November 2015
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hmm had both adat cables in with no luck for sound from the outputs. Will the outputs just mirror the output of the babyface? hmm.... Its possible that its some routing in totalmix
Hi bluegold,

Have you made sure to properly setup your routing in/out of the Options/Settings section of Totalmix? This is key for configuring your setup. Also, are you using the Sync feature of the ADA8200?

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...The Babyface converters and noise floor are much better than the Behringer.
Just wanted recommend users look into the specs and measuring actual performance rather than relying on subjective impressions from other users here in the forum. The AD/DA converters used in the ADA8200 are high-quality Cirrus Logic converters and the Preamps are identical to that of the Midas Venice Preamps.

These Midas designed preamps do sound great. Proof, Elton John has been using the ADA8200 audio interfaces for his latest live show "Million Dollar Piano" on it's latest stint at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.

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Old 3rd November 2015
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Just look for the red light at the end of a cable. If you see a red light shine out the end of a cable it goes into an input.
Old 3rd November 2015
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Hi bluegold,





Just wanted recommend users look into the specs and measuring actual performance rather than relying on subjective impressions from other users here in the forum. The AD/DA converters used in the ADA8200 are high-quality Cirrus Logic converters and the Preamps are identical to that of the Midas Venice Preamps.
Yeah I second this people just look at a brand/price tag and make assumptions it's annoying. In reality the RME does measure lower than your gear but then rme measure lower thd etc than almost any product on the market. The point is both measure well below audible levels so it doesn't matter anyway !
Old 3rd November 2015
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Just wanted recommend users look into the specs and measuring actual performance rather than relying on subjective impressions from other users here in the forum. The AD/DA converters used in the ADA8200 are high-quality Cirrus Logic converters and the Preamps are identical to that of the Midas Venice Preamps.
The preamps are "Midas designed". Nowhere does it state they are identical to Midas Venice Preamps.

And here's what Sound on Sound said about the "actual performance" of the converters -

"A reasonably useful indication of converter quality is the AES17 dynamic-range figure, and in the case of the ADA 8200 my tests obtained values of 103dB (A-wtd) for the A-D stage, and 104.5dB (A-wtd) for the D-A stage. To be blunt, both are quite disappointing figures, since most modern mid-range interfaces achieve around 110-115dB, and the best high-end converters are delivering figures in the low- to mid-120s. Having said that, the combined A-D and D-A chip used here is only specified with a dynamic range of 105dB — so Behringer's engineers have clearly extracted the best possible performance from it."

I own some Behringer gear, and some of it is decent gear. I'm not a Behringer basher. I would consider buying an ADA8200 if I needed more inputs, but I probably wouldn't use it for critical applications.
Old 3rd November 2015
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I own some Behringer gear, and some of it is decent gear. I'm not a Behringer basher. I would consider buying an ADA8200 if I needed more inputs, but I probably wouldn't use it for critical applications.
This has been my exact conclusion after trying the ADA8200 for a few days.

I wanted to like it, because I'm a big fan of finding deals and cheaper gear that works as well as spendy gear. I've got quite a few Behringer things here too.

I think I'm going to send it back and wait for something better. My personal feeling is that I wouldn't be happy with these tracks for any critical recording, so it's not worth keeping around.

I think it would be perfect for someone just getting their feet wet and learning the craft. Unfortunately I'm quite a few years beyond that point now.

Oh well, you win some, you lose some. At least I gave it a try.
Old 16th November 2015
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hmm, im still not having any luck getting sound from the behringer outputs.
Basically I'd like to send 8 channels of my daw, out to the behringer and then from those ouputs to an external mixer with eq and a bit more control.
Old 16th November 2015
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hmm, im still not having any luck getting sound from the behringer outputs.
Basically I'd like to send 8 channels of my daw, out to the behringer and then from those ouputs to an external mixer with eq and a bit more control.
There's always a possibility that your unit is just not working correctly. In my limited experience with "B" gear, the D.O.A. rate has been quite high.
Old 16th November 2015
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In your DAW, you have the outputs configured to be hot, correct?

Then you have your tracks outputting to said outputs, right?

If so, then it's likely a TotalMix issue. Under hardware outputs section, you have to have the levels for the ADAT tracks up, which will require the software playback section to have those track levels up as well if I remember correctly. On your main speaker/headphone out, make sure you have everything routed properly as well to avoid a huge feedback loop and maintain your hearing and speakers.
Old 17th November 2015
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ok cheers guys, will give er another go tonight. Hopefully not a defective unit and the outputs are actually working :(
Old 28th January 2016
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sry to revive this old thread, but have been having a heck of a time trying to get this thing working. So I know the outputs do work as I connected the ADAT out to the ADAT in of the behringer. I then ran a bass guitar through input 1 and heard it on the corresponding output 1. I'd like to route 8 channels from my DAW to the 8 outputs on the ADA 8200 to then goto a hardware mixer. Can I do this, or are the outputs only connected to the units inputs?
Old 29th January 2016
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sry to revive this old thread, but have been having a heck of a time trying to get this thing working. So I know the outputs do work as I connected the ADAT out to the ADAT in of the behringer. I then ran a bass guitar through input 1 and heard it on the corresponding output 1. I'd like to route 8 channels from my DAW to the 8 outputs on the ADA 8200 to then goto a hardware mixer. Can I do this, or are the outputs only connected to the units inputs?
Yeah, you can do that. I do something similar to reamp all the time. Make sure all the outputs are enabled in your DAW, take the tracks you want mixed externally and set their Output/Audio To to the 8 ADAT outputs (should be the last 8 with the Babyface/ADA8200 combo) and then mix away.

In TotalMix, you'll need the software outputs/playbacks volume up as well as the hardware outputs.
Old 30th January 2016
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Ive discovered I get quite a loud white noise coming from the outputs. All be output routing is correct in my DAW and total mix, perhaps the unit came with outputs already shot?
Old 30th January 2016
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Loud white nouse is no sync. So...first...the 8200 is two nearly seperate units. Inputs to ADAT out. ADAT in to Outputs. You have a preamp/AD converter...a DA converter, and effectively, all they share is a power supply and clock.

On the back...switch for internal/external sync. Set it to external. Or Slave, if it says Master/Slave. Switch for 44.1/48. Match it to the RME. Clock travels with audio. Not in the opposite direction. You don't have to have audio...but you have to have the pipe for it. With the 8200 as slave, it gets clock from ADAT in.

When you get this part right, about 2 minutes' work, the green light on the front of the 8200 next to "Lock" will light up.

Now its up to your DAW and/or DSP mixer. Basically, you just added 4 stereo ins, and 4 outs to the system. No idea what your DAW or DSP calls them, but I'd look for something like ADAT 1 Left, ADAT 1 Right, or ADAT 1 Stereo. In order, that's 8200 Output 1, 2, and Both.

Someties you can get a bit less noise turning the 8200 gain down a bit. The 8000 gain pot is NOT linear. Not precisely matched, channel to channel either, but not rip your face off different.

The 8000s run hot. In my anecdotal experience, when they start acting funny w gain...cutting in and out or taking time to "warm up"...its time to plan for replacement.

Good luck!
Old 1st February 2016
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Hey Jay, thanks for the helpful post.
I've done all the steps but I'm not getting the green sync light to light up on the front of the ada 8200. I have a toslink goin from baby face out to behringer in, and the behringer is set to slave ADAT IN. Babyface clock is internal.
Any idea why the behringer isn't syncing (and having the green light lit) with the baby face?
Old 1st February 2016
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Hey Jay, thanks for the helpful post.
I've done all the steps but I'm not getting the green sync light to light up on the front of the ada 8200. I have a toslink goin from baby face out to behringer in, and the behringer is set to slave ADAT IN. Babyface clock is internal.
Any idea why the behringer isn't syncing (and having the green light lit) with the baby face?
You also need a TOSLINK cable going from ADA8200 out to Babyface in in order to get sync, if I remember correctly.
Old 9th February 2016
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Make sure the Babyface optical output is set for ADAT (not SPDIF). This is in the Fireface USB Settings dialog.
Old 10th February 2016
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all very helpful replies ...thanks for that. But after making sure everything is connected and routed properly I've come to the conclusion that the outputs are faulty on my unit. A friend has the exact same setup, with a different ADAT unit (no behringer) and has his outputs working no problem. With mine there is just white noise coming out of the outputs but no sound. Will try to get some support and get to the bottom of it, but am very surprised that a completely new unit would come with outputs not even working. Definitely not buying Behringer again!
Old 16th February 2016
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all very helpful replies ...thanks for that. But after making sure everything is connected and routed properly I've come to the conclusion that the outputs are faulty on my unit. A friend has the exact same setup, with a different ADAT unit (no behringer) and has his outputs working no problem. With mine there is just white noise coming out of the outputs but no sound. Will try to get some support and get to the bottom of it, but am very surprised that a completely new unit would come with outputs not even working. Definitely not buying Behringer again!

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Please allow me to introduce myself; my name is Sam Daniel and I am a Care Specialist at Music in Las Vegas where we service and manage spare parts for all MUSIC brands.
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Old 19th February 2016
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ok guys, after many many posts and investigative work, I think I've figured it out.
It appears that the behringer needs a word clock connection and cannot sync strictly through ADAT, although I thought toslink could send both audio and clock sync?

Anyways my rme babyface has no word clock connection and the behringer requires that in order to sync as a slave, so afaik I am out of luck.
Old 19th February 2016
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The Personus digimax FS will do this with just adat lightpipe
Old 19th February 2016
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ok guys, after many many posts and investigative work, I think I've figured it out.
It appears that the behringer needs a word clock connection and cannot sync strictly through ADAT, although I thought toslink could send both audio and clock sync?

Anyways my rme babyface has no word clock connection and the behringer requires that in order to sync as a slave, so afaik I am out of luck.
You're not out of luck man.

The connection can work just fine. I have a Babyface and ADA8200 and inputs and outputs work just fine.

I'll try to remember to look at my settings tonight - you have to set a couple things in the Babyface properties, but all you need is TOSLINK from the Babyface out to ADA in and another one from the BAbyface in to ADA out. (if I forget to post a reply here tonight, PM me - I'm old and forget things)
Old 19th February 2016
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Hey Jay, thanks for the helpful post.
I've done all the steps but I'm not getting the green sync light to light up on the front of the ada 8200. I have a toslink goin from baby face out to behringer in, and the behringer is set to slave ADAT IN. Babyface clock is internal.
Any idea why the behringer isn't syncing (and having the green light lit) with the baby face?
You have to set clock speed on the ADA8000 as well as "Slave". Your only options are 44.1/48. Switch on back.

If you're past that and no lock, swap Toslink cables, maybe one is bad. You only need ADAT out to ADAT in on Behr for lock...not both. Finally use compresses air to blow and dust off Toslink cable ends...and maybe just shake out the sockets. Dunno how fragile they are but glass fiber ends are polished to angstrom level...that sensitive.

I will assume you took caps off Toslink cables before plugging in...and got them to lock in place.

I have had bad Toslinks where the fiber extended past the housing and prevented mechanical lock.

Beyond that...ADAT over Toslink is pretty straight up...if it doesn't work, I'd suspect a bad unit. 34 Toslink pipes in this facility. Plug n play, every time.

Routing individual channels, source, thru outboard, recorder, FX loops, then monitors, 8x34 pipes?

A bit more hair pulling, but the Toslink end is pretty routine.
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