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Old 7th May 2019
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What are you guys using Pink3 on?
I like @ ceemusic ‘s ideas below. More comments from me further down this post...

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I use it like any other API eq or channel plugin on tracks, busses, guitars, bass, keys, drum kits. I prefer others for 2 bus or mastering.

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How useful you guys find pink 3 to be in general?
I produce in several different musical styles from acoustic guitars to electronic music...
I think far too many people hear “API” and immediately think mid-forward gritty American 70s rock. When the 70s were over and people wanted less color, they moved to SSL, which proved to be quite versatile. But in the 90s, API saw a resurgence with some of the bands @ swartzfeger mentions below.

API EQs, pres, and compressors are simply fantastic on drums. The 50Hz lo shelf makes a kick drum pop out and hit you in the chest in just the right spot. The API sound is tighter and more controlled in the bottom than a Neve. (And I’m a big Neve fan, too.)

I would mostly argue, however, that API is underappreciated when it comes to acoustic music. Especially the newer 312s, like on the 3124. They add a really nice 3d openness on the top. Acoustic guitars sound forward, more authoritative. The EQs are fun to push around, trying to grab a spot and push it further with an EQ than you normally would. The acoustic guitars can *jump* out of the speakers with harmonic richness.

550s (both A and B) have EQ points coarse enough to not hit exactly where you thought you wanted, until you hear where the designers thought it might sound nice. it’s surprising at times how good the results come out from an EQ with such limited access points.

And with the coarse +2/-2 adjustments, you can sometimes get boxed in if you’re not paying attention, and you’ll quite possibly need a modern “corrective” EQ (take your pick) at various times to cut a specific problem with a unique curve or a dynamic EQ.

But the highs are wonderful on acoustic guitars: nice harmonics, and yes, there is a sweet, special kind of forward-ness that nevertheless can avoid becoming overbearing.

And the CAPI preamp just kills. Kills.

Pink is almost the diametric opposite of Cream. Where Cream is fluffy, smooth, buttery, rich, and a bit cloudy (in a good way!), Pink is more straightforward: it gets to the point quickly. It shows you how to improve the track quite simply. The proportional EQ helps make gentle, suggestive curves at low boosts/cuts, and tighter, more aggressive boosts/cuts the harder you push it. An API will let you get a song into some sort of presentable shape in quite a short order. It may be too blunt a force to have as the only EQ for a given track, but it also plays well with other plugs, IME.

I could make a whole album with either Cream or Pink, and I would love the results. They’re both really fun circuits.

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My general feelings as well (Pink2; haven't demoed v3 yet).

If I was still a 'rock' guy I would be all over Pink. I recorded/DI'd specific stuff just to demo Pink and it really is fantastic. DI active bass, DI semi-hollow body guitar, Slate drums -- pleasantly forward/gritty sound without being too aggressive. Just a great all-around rock sound.

Still, even if I was doing rock, it's probably not my flavor. Pink reminds me... labeling things is dangerous as it's subjective. Although it's strange because its pedigree stretches back to the late 60s, Pink brings to mind stuff like Butch Vig, Garbage, Nirvana, Janes Addiction, some Foo Fighters, maybe Queens of the Stone Age (I'm grasping at loose references here). Not a Neve-ish vibe at all.

And I currently lean toward the softening stuff like Azure. Pink seems to be a 180°.

I've gotta wonder tho if Pink would be a secret sauce for electronic stuff, especially for sample-based libraries -- "analog-ifying" The was that I could get m to me rwithout making things clogged or flabby like a Neve might.

EDIT: for API stuff I'm a huge fan of Volko Audio / @ volkanozyilmaz Q American series EQs. Awesome sound, awesome HD/Retina interfaces... sound is great -- maybe just a smidge shy of Nebula/Acqua quality. But a great sound and no aliasing that I could detect, excellent CPU usage. Unfortunately, they were running the Q series at a deep discount and the sales didn't really take off, so they returned it to full price.

Their Q3D (Nightpro clone) is also great with a very nice 'air' band (haven't compared to other Air bands like Maag, etc).

I need to demo Pink3 simply for the 2500 compressor.
Pink is great with electronic music. The 2500 has the harmonic top and low end girth missing from an SSL-style bus comp. (though I love them, too.)

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Yeah, for years all you ever hear is how API is best for Rock. So imagine my surprise when after months of using Pink 2 on Hip Hop and electronic music I love the results so much I buy an API Box mini console over an SSL XL-Desk, lol. I would have never done that without Pink 2's fantastic results as I had the API Rock label in the back of my mind.

As always, to each their own.
YES YES YES. WONDERFUL!

Last edited by theothermarkwilliams; 8th May 2019 at 06:42 AM.. Reason: Misspellings, poor sentence structure, too vague in some places. Also, typing on an iPhone sucks.
Old 7th May 2019
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Thanks @ ceemusic , @ swartzfeger , @ Will The Weirdo and @ theothermarkwilliams

These were the exact answers I was hoping for; API on stuff other than the typical associated genres. Working on an electronic EP atm so I'll give Pink another pop. Big fan of the API circuit in the Silver Bullet so it'll be interesting to see how the preamps compare (at normal levels, not when pushed hard as that's not AA's strong point).

Cheers fellas!

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Old 7th May 2019
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Thanks @ ceemusic , @ swartzfeger , @ Will The Weirdo and @ theothermarkwilliams

These were the exact answers I was hoping for; API on stuff other than the typical associated genres. Working on an electronic EP atm so I'll give Pink another pop. Big fan of the API circuit in the Silver Bullet so it'll be interesting to see how the preamps compare (at normal levels, not when pushed hard as that's not AA's strong point).

Cheers fellas!
Preamp 4. Maybe drive the input to taste.

Was pleasantly surprised pitting Pink3 against Sand2. Part of the appeal (and some of the frustration) with Pink is the fixed frequency; in the end, I think it helped me dial stuff in quicker, vs micro-mousing with Sand and its small pots/labels.

The most exciting thing for me was how Pink made the electronic elements present... Sand still, for my tastes is too strident while being overly clinical. Pink sounded lively while being balanced.

I preferred Pink's compressor to Sand's quad Cc compressor as well. Kind of early to tell, as I was trying to eyeball the meters and contextualize each with my ears. Pink felt easier to dial in more easily with a sound I preferred. Completely anecdotal, I know.

I might still want to use Sand2 BusB or AlexB MFC on my sends for 'space'.

Like theothermarkwilliams mentioned, I think Pink makes things 'peppy' without slamming an uppercase, steel trimmed 'NEVE' badge or 'insert other flavor here' stamp like many other color plugins tend to do.

And I haven't even touched Pink's B or C eqs or any of the standalones or the multiband.
Old 7th May 2019
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How useful you guys find pink 3 to be in general?
I produce in several different musical styles from acoustic guitars to electronic music...
I think Pink excels at those genres, it's VERY realistic sounding, maybe a bit aggressive, forward.. Bold and organic. I think the Pink compressors are amazing, so definitely demo the bundle
Old 7th May 2019
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Well, 2 hours later and I'm buying Pink3 now it's Core13.

Used it on the drum bus, lead vocals and a couple of synths. I realise I'm repeating what others have said, but its ability to push things forward (poke) while retaining body/balance and without making things harsh is fantastic. It beat out E27, Sand and Console1 (SSL/API) in the tests (for this specific track).

I also enjoy the limited frequency ranges, dialled in the right vocal sound in seconds. Love the way the different EQ's are so different.

Bargain for €50 (thanks AA for extended sale). Not even tried the compressor yet :¬)

P.S. tried Volko too but it doesn't have the same quality as Pink. Closer to Slate's FG-A sound wise.
Old 7th May 2019
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Well, 2 hours later and I'm buying Pink3 now it's Core13.

Used it on the drum bus, lead vocals and a couple of synths. I realise I'm repeating what others have said, but its ability to push things forward (poke) while retaining body/balance and without making things harsh is fantastic. It beat out E27, Sand and Console1 (SSL/API) in the tests (for this specific track).

I also enjoy the limited frequency ranges, dialled in the right vocal sound in seconds. Love the way the different EQ's are so different.

Bargain for €50 (thanks AA for extended sale). Not even tried the compressor yet :¬)

P.S. tried Volko too but it doesn't have the same quality as Pink. Closer to Slate's FG-A sound wise.
How did you get it for €50
Old 7th May 2019
  #17617
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Last week I tested Pink extensively and I thought it was great. I hadn't finally decided to buy it yet. Then the sale was suddenly over, so I thought: Me and Pink just shouldn't be.

And now the sale is extended and you guys praise it so much.
Old 7th May 2019
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How did you get it for €50
for 50 it would be no brainer for me
Old 7th May 2019
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How did you get it for €50
I would imagine he has 50% loyalty bonus.
Old 7th May 2019
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I would imagine he has 50% loyalty bonus.
Oh right :( I only got a 15% off email.
Old 7th May 2019
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Well, 2 hours later and I'm buying Pink3 now it's Core13.

Bargain for €50 (thanks AA for extended sale). Not even tried the compressor yet :¬)
Same, just bought. $75 US w/ my discount.

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P.S. tried Volko too but it doesn't have the same quality as Pink. Closer to Slate's FG-A sound wise.
Agreed, Volko is nice and light but at 99eur Pink smashes any other API I've tried (UA, etc... haven't tried AlexB, Henry or CDSM). Volko did well in my tests tonight but it didn't quite bring things forward or open up the top like Pink did. Pink 'set things in place' that was very appealing. Which makes sense, as Volko has no harmonics/saturation (I'm almost positive it only models the curves).

Speaking of API, I also have the Overloud 550... I'll throw that into a test mix as well.
Old 7th May 2019
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What are you guys using Pink3 on?
Post dialog here. The thing I love about Pink (aside from the obvious, which is that I like this style of EQ, it speaks to me in ways other EQ designs do not) is that it makes quick work of things. In a way that other emulations of the brand (which usually only offer the A unit to begin with) do not.

The majority of stuff I get needing major corrective EQ suffers from similar problems: proximity-effect boosted lows and overbearing presence, both from people just standing too close to the mic. What has made Pink my go to is its ability to deal with these regions gently but effectively; particularly the presence problems, the 3K bell cuts on the B and C unit cover a lot of needs. The selection of EQs within that nicely organized UI gives me the tools to deal with a large variety of problems (obviously there are problems which require more surgical equalizing or automation and Pink doesn't get used for that stuff) without a lot of clicking and tweaking and scrolling (tight schedules are a much bigger concern than saturation or sweetening on this side of the fence).

I almost always have the pre off. I don't like the way it makes certain frequencies (some of them problem frequencies for what I'm being sent) pop out more. I appreciate the ability to turn it off, I almost always do (I probably should have said already, all of this is being done through the EQ module not the full channel strip; it's possible that with the full pre choices I'd find one in this set I mostly like).
Old 7th May 2019
  #17623
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For those that really know Pink, I think there may be an oversight/mistake in the manual (basically, the only reason why I read it in the first place). In the center I/O strip, there are 8 buttons -- a power button, 4 preamp buttons and a HF, LF and HF/LF buttons.

The manual says there are only 5 buttons and goes on to describe the power and the 4 separate preamps. I'm assuming the other 3 buttons are filters, but the manual never states what the frequency/slopes are set to.

Anyone know if those 3 buttons are indeed fixed filters? .
I would like to know this, too.
Old 7th May 2019
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I would like to know this, too.
Yes, they are fixed filters. I don’t recall the frequency centers.

ETA: In the Pink2 thread somebody states that the hardware in question is 50Hz for LPF and 15KHz for HPF (unverified)

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Old 7th May 2019
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Lately, Pink is the only Acqua on my mix template.

And the graphic eq is my go-to for guitars, when I need a certain sound.

In a time that I'm not using much Acustica in my mixes, Pink appears more than the vast majority.
Old 7th May 2019
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Oh right :( I only got a 15% off email.
Depending where you are in the world, you may be able to get a local agent voucher for 20%.
Old 7th May 2019
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Depending where you are in the world, you may be able to get a local agent voucher for 20%.
I’m speaking to a dealer about it now,
Thank you
Old 7th May 2019
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There was pinkcm (computer music) which i do belive still comes free if you buy a copy


Old 7th May 2019
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I would like to know this, too.
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Yes, they are fixed filters. I don’t recall the frequency centers.

ETA: In the Pink2 thread somebody states that the hardware in question is 50Hz for LPF and 15KHz for HPF (unverified)
HP/LP filters have a 6dB per octave slope, ~50Hz/15kHz like API 550A. The Bandpass function also as an additive filter making it possible to have steeper 12db/oct roll-offs.

*The BP switch bug has been reported to AA at time of release, probably in queue for a fix.

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Old 7th May 2019
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How did you get it for €50
€55 as it turns out. 45% loyalty discount.

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Agreed, Volko is nice and light but at 99eur Pink smashes any other API I've tried (UA, etc... haven't tried AlexB, Henry or CDSM). Volko did well in my tests tonight but it didn't quite bring things forward or open up the top like Pink did. Pink 'set things in place' that was very appealing. Which makes sense, as Volko has no harmonics/saturation (I'm almost positive it only models the curves).

Speaking of API, I also have the Overloud 550... I'll throw that into a test mix as well.
Yes exactly.

Overloud 550, I bought this for some reason a while back, not a fan at all. Pink is leagues better.

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Post dialog here. The thing I love about Pink (aside from the obvious, which is that I like this style of EQ, it speaks to me in ways other EQ designs do not) is that it makes quick work of things. In a way that other emulations of the brand (which usually only offer the A unit to begin with) do not.

The majority of stuff I get needing major corrective EQ suffers from similar problems: proximity-effect boosted lows and overbearing presence, both from people just standing too close to the mic. What has made Pink my go to is its ability to deal with these regions gently but effectively; particularly the presence problems, the 3K bell cuts on the B and C unit cover a lot of needs. The selection of EQs within that nicely organized UI gives me the tools to deal with a large variety of problems (obviously there are problems which require more surgical equalizing or automation and Pink doesn't get used for that stuff) without a lot of clicking and tweaking and scrolling (tight schedules are a much bigger concern than saturation or sweetening on this side of the fence).

I almost always have the pre off. I don't like the way it makes certain frequencies (some of them problem frequencies for what I'm being sent) pop out more. I appreciate the ability to turn it off, I almost always do (I probably should have said already, all of this is being done through the EQ module not the full channel strip; it's possible that with the full pre choices I'd find one in this set I mostly like).
I also had the preamps off using EQ only (which have their own flavours). Agreed, so good for cuts - removing room-boom from a vocal was incredibly easy.

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Lately, Pink is the only Acqua on my mix template.

And the parametric is my go-to for guitars, when I need a certain sound.

In a time that I'm not using much Acustica in my mixes, Pink appears more than the vast majority.
I've also moved away from aquas for the most part (bar a few specialist uses). Pink EQ will see a lot of action.
Old 7th May 2019
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We may see the GML 9500 when Green is updated.

Scarlet is a home-brew Sonetec 432. And AlexB has a 432 as well, IIRC.

Sand3 may see the inclusion of the E channel or the 9000.

I would love to see Amethyst, Lime or Navy include some newer RND Portico and Shelford hardware.

Also: Calrec, Langevin, MCI 500, Electrodyne/Quad 8/Pacifica, Trident A & 80
I hope you right
Old 7th May 2019
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€55 as it turns out. 45% loyalty discount.


I've also moved away from aquas for the most part (bar a few specialist uses). Pink EQ will see a lot of action.
That s interesting...as I value your opinion would love to hear why tou moved away and what you replaced your aquas with!

cheers
Old 7th May 2019
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There is something about Pink3 too that sounds so good. I said this when it was updated to Core13 .... Pink2 was excellent, but the jump to Pink3, there's something so immediately great in the sound. The thing is that it is fairly aggressive but still has that analog puffiness.

Try a 50 Hz shelf boost with the A EQ on a kick drum. So sweet and weighty.
Old 7th May 2019
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There is something about Pink3 too that sounds so good. I said this when it was updated to Core13 .... Pink2 was excellent, but the jump to Pink3, there's something so immediately great in the sound. The thing is that it is fairly aggressive but still has that analog puffiness.

Try a 50 Hz shelf boost with the A EQ on a kick drum. So sweet and weighty.
I'd love to try Pink3!

But I keep getting a "maximum number of products" response every time I try to install the update. I've put in a support ticket, and I wait...
Old 7th May 2019
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That s interesting...as I value your opinion would love to hear why tou moved away and what you replaced your aquas with!

cheers
Due to producing and mixing at the same time I need plugins that are CPU efficient and low latency as to keep workflow (and hence creativity) going. AA/N4 and VSTi's do not play well together at all.

I do freeze/print key tracks but opt for Nebula alternatives. MFC, Opto 32 and Vari-Level get the most use. Flucti-Mew, ATE (Ampex 351) & Sontec 432 for the mixbus/mastering.

Algo wise, Vertigo VSC-3 and Arousor are workhorse comps. Love them both. Metric Halo for utility channel strip. Arturia 1176. Softube Tape. Saturation: True Iron, CCAdvanced, LoFi and PSA1K. VSE-2, E27 and Rule Tec for colour EQs. StandardCLIP is killer. Nebula verbs are the best, but they are too heavy for mixing/producing with VSTi's so my top pick for that is Lustrous Plates. Great sound and good on CPU (zero latency also). EchoBoy and Valhalla delays.

Ruby and El Rey get used, and Taupe is often printed on individual tracks. Love Bronze2. Amber preamp2 is always on the mixbus. Pink will likely be my most used Aqua now, need to learn that one inside and out. Core13 did something special to it.

FWIW my Silver Bullet lives on mixbus and provides great tone—pushing API and Neve circuits—and smiley EQ shape (mix into it with a nice presence boost), meaning I need less processing on channels. AudioScape SSL on the SB inserts for mixbus compression. If I didn't have the SSL comp, VSC-3 would be my choice (prefer it to L-BUS, which was a favourite of mine for a long time). Will likely get a second SB to print channels though for extra flavour which will mean even less ITB processing. You can use a single SB for this but I want to keep one on the mixbus (and engaged) permanently.

Algo must haves (imo): VSC-3, Arousor, VSE-2 and Rule Tec.

If I were a professional mix engineer being handed stems I'd be using more AA/N4. Found a nice balance of all the different techs for my own needs, which may be very different to yours of course! Whatever works :¬)
Old 7th May 2019
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I'd love to try Pink3!

But I keep getting a "maximum number of products" response every time I try to install the update. I've put in a support ticket, and I wait...
Do you own Pink?
Old 7th May 2019
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Do you own Pink?
Yes, I do.

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Old 8th May 2019
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While I wait for customer support, does anyone have any anecdotal thoughts on what's happening when you get the "Maximum number of products reached" on a product you own and are simply trying to update (Pink2 to Pink3)?

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Old 8th May 2019
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Due to producing and mixing at the same time I need plugins that are CPU efficient and low latency as to keep workflow (and hence creativity) going. AA/N4 and VSTi's do not play well together at all.

I do freeze/print key tracks but opt for Nebula alternatives. MFC, Opto 32 and Vari-Level get the most use. Flucti-Mew, ATE (Ampex 351) & Sontec 432 for the mixbus/mastering.

Algo wise, Vertigo VSC-3 and Arousor are workhorse comps. Love them both. Metric Halo for utility channel strip. Arturia 1176. Softube Tape. Saturation: True Iron, CCAdvanced, LoFi and PSA1K. VSE-2, E27 and Rule Tec for colour EQs. StandardCLIP is killer. Nebula verbs are the best, but they are too heavy for mixing/producing with VSTi's so my top pick for that is Lustrous Plates. Great sound and good on CPU (zero latency also). EchoBoy and Valhalla delays.

Ruby and El Rey get used, and Taupe is often printed on individual tracks. Love Bronze2. Amber preamp2 is always on the mixbus. Pink will likely be my most used Aqua now, need to learn that one inside and out. Core13 did something special to it.

FWIW my Silver Bullet lives on mixbus and provides great tone—pushing API and Neve circuits—and smiley EQ shape (mix into it with a nice presence boost), meaning I need less processing on channels. AudioScape SSL on the SB inserts for mixbus compression. If I didn't have the SSL comp, VSC-3 would be my choice (prefer it to L-BUS, which was a favourite of mine for a long time). Will likely get a second SB to print channels though for extra flavour which will mean even less ITB processing. You can use a single SB for this but I want to keep one on the mixbus (and engaged) permanently.

Algo must haves (imo): VSC-3, Arousor, VSE-2 and Rule Tec.

If I were a professional mix engineer being handed stems I'd be using more AA/N4. Found a nice balance of all the different techs for my own needs, which may be very different to yours of course! Whatever works :¬)
I found that the solution to avoid cpu use by vsti is to avoid using them Seriously, I ditched almost all of them in favour of some hardware alternatives, and so the computer resources can handle hungry plugin chains ( AA, Zynaptiq etc...). It goes without saying that the sound is good also.

I'll try some of the plugins you mentioned, thank you for the tips.
Old 8th May 2019
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While I wait for customer support, does anyone have any anecdotal thoughts on what's happening when you get the "Maximum number of products reached" on a product you own and are simply trying to update (Pink2 to Pink3)?
Sorry to not respond back right away; I left the house for a bit.

The only thing I can think of to try is to see if there are any Pink3 files in the "stagearea." If you're on Windows, go your to your C: drive and do a search in the search bar for "stagearea". Click into the ACQUA folder and see if there's a Pink3 folder there. Delete the Pink3 folder if it's there and see if you can install in Aquarius afterwords.
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