For the PA sale I'm heavily considering the VSC 2 compressor as a replacement for The Glue. Does anyone else use it in this capacity?

I have Glue as part of Ableton, but I'm pretty done with that company after the latest update and going to switch to Logic or Studio One. Glue never goes on sale and here's VSC 2 sitting pretty at $29.

I remember testing it on a mix a while ago to see how close I could dial it in to a Glue I had on the master - nearly nulled. But I didn't test it much more than that.

VSC 2 good enough to replace the glue? I make EDM fwiw

EDIT: Nevermind, finally demoed Pulsar Mu. Game over. Holy balls.

Totally like it, when people are so differentiated like you.

As you wrote VSC2, I immediately thought about Pulsar MU. The VSC2 is relatively flat and lifeless in comparison to the MU.

Interesting and understandable positions. I may have an "advantage" here as I approach sound always (trying to keep a beginner's mind upright) as a part in a context of a mix or from a perspective of a sound designer. I use what I like and pleases me, regardless on what it is based on, and than I sculpture it further in a mix context to fit and compliment.

Btw, what are you thinking of the Softube Marshall Plexi emulation?

What's wrong with Ableton since the last upgrade?

TBH I can't remember, this was back in May, right? I don't know, whatever special sale or discount code or monthly voucher or combination thereof I managed to use at the time...

Some people are upset that Ableton has the audacity to charge for new features that they mistakenly believe should have been free updates to Live 10.

It comes in large part from not understanding that you pay for what the software is at the time of purchase and not what you want it to be. It's at the company's discretion to offer any additional features for free (bug fixes of course are reasonably expected to be free.) And probably also in part from lack of understanding what goes into software development and therefore the cost to the company creating the software.

I'm not saying that this describes the problem this person has since they were not explicit, but it accurately describes the problem as stated by many who have given their reasons.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I believe some of the smaller features (scale based piano roll, multi-midi-clip editing improvements) could be given to Live 10 users for free - though it would probably further anger the "how dare you charge for your work" cohort by cutting down the Live 11 exclusive features, so possibly a bad idea. But larger features like MPE support and comping and new devices justify an upgrade charge. Either way, I already preordered 11 because if I average the cost over the 3 years since Live 10 was released it's not expensive.

It's the same sort of sound and fury we heard about the Live 10 upgrade. You can't please everyone and some people will jump ship because you didn't cater specifically to them (an impossible task.) When Live 12 rolls around you can almost guarantee it will happen again.

Just bought Schoeps Upmix. It will be useful to blend spot mics for my classical recordings.

I use amps and sims on modeled Hammonds and Wurli's, and just about any electric piano. Got that Deep Purple mojo.

It's actually quite good and a lot better than what IKMM tries to do with their Amplitube emulation of Marshalls.

Amen to that. I find that the Diezel Herbert from PA is a good amp for that.

I'm probably going to miss the sales and buy Live 11 later next year. My ProTools support expires Christmas day. , so I understand not wanting to pay for bug fixes, but you're right, I bought in for the version that was current at the time of my purchase.

I love those Mu compressors. I have MJUC, Pulsar Mu, and the IK Dyna-Mu and I love all of them. They come out all the time now.

I'd like to add the UAD Manley at some point, just to compare.

To add to what someone said already, the VSC-2 is super clean, it's not really a vibey compressor. Closer to the glue, would be the Townhouse plugin, from PA. Worth a demo if you haven't tried it, it's pretty nice.

i just bought plugin alliance shadow hills compressor guys, can't wait to put it on drums

Deep Purple were putting all kinds of keys through guitar amps from the late '60s onwards.

Lol, just seen this after posting.

Townhouse lives on my mixbus

One of the biggest strawmans I've ever seen on the internet, kudos

I do have that one! It's nice but I found it a little flubby and slow, better for most non-edm projects for my use (pop rock indie metal etc)

I need a reverb recommendation for BF. Sonsig REV A or Seventh Heaven?

Am I the only one here who didn't get a Black Friday email from PA?

I got one ....

No straw men were built in the making of my previous post.

It was based on actual observations of real people posting real comments about the release. Literally (in the non-figurative sense) saying "this should have been a free update."

Note that I very specifically said I don't know if this is your issue with them and was not intending to imply that it was (hence the specific disclaimer referring to you.)

If that wasn't clear enough, allow me to repeat: Despite this being an accurate depiction of the general attitude of many people to the release of Live 11, there is no evidence that it applies to the user currently known as claudedefaren.

Please feel free to answer the original question: what, in your opinion, is wrong with Ableton since the latest upgrade?

What about reverberate 3 ?

Is there a clear consensus on which version of the two is better?

Each version is good for different things; I use the class A for when I need something on my 2-bus that's grabbier in the optical section than the old version.

Softube have Valley People Dynamite going for 49 euros on their site atm

I own both (Seventh Heaven Pro). Quite different. However, if I had to choose one it'd be Sonsig. Love that verb!

I know that you said you don't know if that's my specific issue, and you'll note that I very specifically didn't say that your strawman was made against me personally. Relax. You haven't offended me.

You have observed people making complaints, whittled the entire context of their posts to the singular phrase "this should have been a free update" and making up your own reasons for why they're arguing this, — "how dare you charge for your work" as you stated, which implies that these people believe software companies should not be paid for their work. Nobody ever said anything to the effect of "how dare Ableton charge for their work" and nobody ever said that they expect Ableton to give free upgrades, but you have stated it as such. That's the strawman.

I'm not interested in answering the person's question because there are way too many people who get triggered by the subject and try to start utterly pointless arguments about it, as you've just done.

I'm cool with you thinking Ableton has done nothing wrong. Can you be ok with me having a different opinion? The subject of my original post was not focused on Ableton, so there's no need to make a big deal of it.

Harrison are doing a bundle of all their ava plugs for $39. That’s a really good price folks!!