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Old 26th August 2012
  #151
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if you talk to anyone creative, 99.99999% of them will tell you their passionate goal is to be able to be creative all day everyday, in other words professionally.
Let's all cheer if it's a positive that musicians choices are trodden on, and many fewer musicians get to make a living making music.
NOT.
I want to explain to you that living in an era where the option to engage in some personally satisfying aspect of the music industry and at least enjoy some modicum of a middle class lifestyle is totally totally **** sad state of affairs, ok.

Most of what I say is coming more from a kind of observationally neutral viewpoint. If I happen to say that you should pack it in and find another line of work, is not because I personally desire and gleeful of that, I'm simply pointing out the reality that, again, for whatever the reason....be it piracy, nuclear annihilation, invasion from outer space, the rapture, whatever...is that making money in music ain't happening. Someday the tide may turn, but who the hell knows.

But right now it just is what it is. Hope that you'll be reincarnated into a more musically appreciative future society
Old 26th August 2012
  #152
I was replying to this:

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there is an expressed bias around here for 'professional' music as opposed to the peasantry's output.
Which you haven't replied to in the above diatribe.
I'll be as clear as i can be.....
It isn't pro vs peasantry.
It's whether society views as a positive that fewer and fewer people can be creative full time.
You can live on $1 a week, and be full time creative (aka 'a peasant').
Old 26th August 2012
  #153
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what's there to reply to? i said what i said. was it too obscure? maybe you don't think that, but there is snobbery here with regards to the DIY'ers.

besides, this is ridiculous... it like talking to the wall. i bloody agreed with you and you didn't understand a word i said... you just automatically kneejerk back variations of the same stock script. are you a bot?
Old 26th August 2012
  #154
How did this thread last this long?

Isn't this sort of political?
or a social issue?
Old 26th August 2012
  #155
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besides, this is ridiculous... it like talking to the wall. i bloody agreed with you and you didn't understand a word i said... you just automatically kneejerk back variations of the same stock script. are you a bot?
Nonsense.
What don't you understand about "it's not professionals versus peasantry's output"?

That's all I'm saying.
I'm prejudiced against increased part time creativity, not part time creators, simply because 99.999% of part time creators I've talked to would dearly love to be full time.
Old 26th August 2012
  #156
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Can anyone tell me what Pussy Riot was doing to feed the starving children of Africa? I'd really like to know. Frankly, Pussy Riot's silence on the subject of starving children of Africa is highly worrisome to me as an individual who is concerned about starving children in Africa. If Pussy Riot would finally take a stand on the matter of starving children in Africa, they might garner more than 140,000 signatures of support for their cause. Well, I'll just keep reading Google News' dedicated section for Pussy Riot news, in anticipation of the time when Pussy Riot finally speaks out about the starving children in Africa.
What an amazing nonsequitur.

Isn't the problem of human rights and freedom of expression in Russia enough for them to worry about, considering they'[re in jail for it?

What the hell are YOU doing to feed the starving children in Africa?


Frankly, I'm highly suspicious of anybody who plays the "starving children" card, especially when they bring it up in a totally unrelated discussion.

You want to talk about "starving children in Africa" start your own thread. On another forum, because it doesn't belong here.

This thread is about MUSICIANS suffering oppression.

This is a MUSIC FORUM.

If you can't make a constructive contribution to the discussion, please refrain from cluttering up the thread. Especially since we all know that all you're interested in is arguing about personalities, not the real issues.

Thank you very much!
Old 26th August 2012
  #157
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You are not paranoid enough! Some of us must statistically be provocateurs and informants!
You mean like E** and A*************?
Old 26th August 2012
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... Frankly, I'm highly suspicious of anybody who plays the "starving children" card, especially when they bring it up in a totally unrelated discussion.

You want to talk about "starving children in Africa" start your own thread. On another forum, because it doesn't belong here.

This thread is about MUSICIANS suffering oppression.

This is a MUSIC FORUM. ...
Frankly, I'm highly suspicious of anybody who plays the "Pussy Riot" card.
Their current problems have little or nothing to do with them being musicians.
They aren't suffering oppression because they're musicians. They're sufferng oppression because they're saying things unpopular with some powerful people.
Old 26th August 2012
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Frankly, I'm highly suspicious of anybody who plays the "Pussy Riot" card.
Their current problems have little or nothing to do with them being musicians.
They aren't suffering oppression because they're musicians. They're sufferng oppression because they're saying things unpopular with some powerful people.
They're suffering oppression because they're MUSICIANS ( commanding a significant fanbase both inside and outside Russia) saying things unpopular with some powerful people.

C'mon, Don - you're better than that. You know where the right side is on this. Do what you know is right!
Old 26th August 2012
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C'mon, Don - you're better than that. You know where the right side is on this. Do what you know is right!
Sorry, John. I'm not with you on this. They are oppressed people, and as such deserve my support. Their being musicians has little to do with it, and makes no difference to me.
Old 26th August 2012
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Frankly, I'm highly suspicious of anybody who plays the "Pussy Riot" card.
Their current problems have little or nothing to do with them being musicians.
They aren't suffering oppression because they're musicians. They're sufferng oppression because they're saying things unpopular with some powerful people.
They are in a first class government spa because they went into a church and swore, in time to music...

Seriously. They are legends...


If they did it like 20 years ago when they'd be digging a frozen hole in the ground making a railway straight when it doesn't have to be... Or dead. Well either way they would have been dead.


What's happening today in Russia is what I like to call freedom when compared to yesterday...


Still not free, because half of the land is Placin and the other half is Medievalev with a splash of everyone else... It's always going to be a melting pot.


Sexy, riotous melting pot.
Old 26th August 2012
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Old 26th August 2012
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Gotta put stings on those cats leading to the Burlesqueconman and a string on that bear with a Medieval face leading to Placin who's got a string around his own neck doing auto erotic assfixiation.

Someone who has already stolen photoshop do it... I will pay you back someday.
Old 26th August 2012
  #164
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Err... if we all lived in a country where you didn't have to pay for ****, then yes.. we would probably give our product away.
But back in reality, in our (and most) non-socialist/communist countries people have to do this thing called "Earn a Living".
What that literally means is you need to earn money to live, if you don't you can't eat and will literally die.
So, by you and your ilk stealing music, you're literally killing musicians...
Reality is that not I nor did you create these laws.
We are slaves to these rules unless the government changes them to something else. (and no we haven't got a vote in that, thats all for show)

I'm not killing any musicians, I run a music store for a living providing musicians the best tools possible.
I give more warranty then the standard factory warranty to see if companies tamper with the design making a product stop working right after the warranty. (no conspiracy these are facts.)
At the same time I talk with politicians, bankers, economists, musicians, producers and the everybody else about alternatives to this monetary system.
So don't tell me I'm killing the musician. Our ancestors with their laws are doing that. I'm trying to bring a little sense into the conversation making people more aware and critical about how the economy works. (don't believe a word I say until you researched it)

Our way of thinking is unsane and our values are screwed up. Its the current system that is feeding us most of the problems we face today. It took me years to figure out how alternatives could work and I'm still struggling with it. Had to replace 99% of the BS (bad science)in my brain to get a better overview on how things connect.

First thing I found out is that a perfect system does not exist.
2nd thing was that this current system is very corrupt.
3th thing was question everything!

Old 26th August 2012
  #165
so what, now what?

seems like the solution a lot of people present here is to do nothing... uhm, well... I'm not sure you can effectively create positive change by choosing inaction.
Old 26th August 2012
  #166
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so what, now what?

seems like the solution a lot of people present here is to do nothing... uhm, well... I'm not sure you can effectively create positive change by choosing inaction.
You're asking what now?


You are asking what now?

Y o u A r E A s K i n g W h A t N o W !




Seriously, you old hacked up sack of ****... Apart from listening and learning... How about you shoot yourself on national T.V. because that's about all you're good for. You dumb ****ing ignorant ****.

Sorry, I get carried away with teaching... This is how I was taught... Sadness...



Anyways, sell all your shares. Now.

Everyone sell all of your shares...


Watch...


Trust me. Sell now before there is nothing to sell...



If I keep saying this, I will get shot and you'll all go broke. Unless you sell your shares now, give me a record lathe and leave me alone.
Old 26th August 2012
  #167
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What an amazing nonsequitur.

Isn't the problem of human rights and freedom of expression in Russia enough for them to worry about, considering they'[re in jail for it?

What the hell are YOU doing to feed the starving children in Africa?
Sorry if the point of my satirical fallacy was lost on you, John. With the presence of certain posters here, I understand if it can be difficult to distinguish between parody and authenticity.

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can anyone tell what day the internet censorship protest is going to be on to heighten awareness of actual censorship as opposed the google imagined kind?
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so where's the great internet protest and black out for solidarity in response to this censorship?
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agreed. but do let me know when the big internet/google sponsored protest is going to be, I want to make sure I'm ready with all those google and wikipedia approved anti-censorship logos and graphics...
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just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined Google variety...
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just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined Google variety...
still waiting...
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just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined Google variety...
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sorry... when is that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined Google variety... so funny... actual censorship... nadda... imagined (fabricated) censorship... hire lobbyists and have a web black out to illustrate what censorship and oppression looks like...
Old 26th August 2012
  #168
sorry if you are offended by my attempts to keep this thread on topic.

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Sorry if the point of my satirical fallacy was lost on you, John.
no, the point of this thread is to highlight the fact that the very people who claimed to have had an overwhelming interest in censorship in January when it was only imagined and not real, don't seem to have the same level of interest in actual censorship when it really does happen.

as usual the internet community (as spoken for by google, wikipedia, ccia, eff, public knowledge, etc) seems completely uninterested unless their profit margins are at risk.

in other words, the conversation about the internet and artist exploitation has never been about free speech, it's been about free beer...

nothing like trivializing an actual real human rights issue to the betterment of the bottom line. I would say to the betterment of shareholders, except google is being sued by their shareholders too... jus sayin... it's about MONEY...

Shareholder sues Google to block stock split | Reuters

let's just be honest about the motivations here...
Old 26th August 2012
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no, the point of this thread is to highlight the fact that the very people who claimed to have had an overwhelming interest in censorship in January when it was only imagined and not real, don't seem to have the same level of interest in actual censorship when it really does happen.
In fact, you're repeating exactly what I said regarding the thread's topic; I'm only surprised that you admit it so candidly. The thread is not about Pussy Riot and their situation, it is about taking fallacious shots at Google for not modifying their homepage in support of Pussy Riot.

Just sayin'.
Old 26th August 2012
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Sorry if the point of my satirical fallacy was lost on you, John. With the presence of certain posters here, I understand if it can be difficult to distinguish between parody and authenticity.


The amount of spin in this thread is literally making me dizzy.

Old 26th August 2012
  #171
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In fact, you're repeating exactly what I said regarding the thread's topic; I'm only surprised that you admit it so candidly. The thread is not about Pussy Riot and their situation, it is about taking fallacious shots at Google for not modifying their homepage in support of Pussy Riot.

Just sayin'.
nothing fallacious about it... just me know know when they are blacking out their homepage in support of the bands situation, censorship and oppression and we'll be square, until then... just keep spinning buddy, I'm sorry your heroes are letting you down...
Old 26th August 2012
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The amount of spin in this thread is literally making me dizzy.
tell me about it!
Old 26th August 2012
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tell me about it!
Old 26th August 2012
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Not that this hasn't been a good read, but isn't politics a prohibited topic. It leads to conversations (bordering on arguments) that there is no real solution to. If you really care to debate this, so be it. I just don't think it belongs on GS.

"6. Politics and religion are prohibited topics on Gearslutz. This is an area where we take a zero-tolerance stance - please take your political and religious discussions elsewhere. The same applies for "serious social issues" which may turn into political or religious discussion."

If for some reason this is conversation is NOT political in nature, what does it have to do with gear or the music business? Nobody is saying "what type of mic does Pussy Riot use on their guitar cabs?" or asking about their manager's percentage on this publicity stunt. Is it possible this is the opposite of censorship? How many of you ever heard of Pussy Riot before this debacle?

So, what kind of mic does Pussy Riot use on their guitar cabs?

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Old 26th August 2012
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MONEY. A great reason to trivialize actual human rights.
True, even Mother Teresa used LOTS of money not to feed the impoverished, but to build more churches, and hence make more money.
Old 26th August 2012
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By the way, this is what real censorship looks like:
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Old 26th August 2012
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Or this:
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Old 26th August 2012
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By the way, this is what real censorship looks like:
sorta, but not really, were those albums unavailable? is that any different that film or video game ratings?
Old 26th August 2012
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No it is not different than video game or film ratings. Is restricted use/ listening censorship? If someone under 18 cannot purchase or view content, is this censorship. I say it is.

An obscure band doing a POLITICAL STUNT and being punished by their government (socialist or communist or whatever), I would say is not.

Did you hear about this thing, or was the coverage of the event kept from you? That might have been censorship.

If you live in Russia, you need to play by their rules, not by ours.
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Old 26th August 2012
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If you live in Russia, you need to play by their rules, not by ours.
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