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chrisso 23rd August 2012 01:50 AM

I think the thread was started to rally support for fellow musicians facing jail time for speaking their mind.

It is interesting there is no Kony style internet campaign, or comment from anti-censorship groups who are so vocal on copyright, freedom of speech and free information on the web.

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisso (Post 8189862)
You seem likely a highly sensitive person. ;)

Me? I'm ****ing zen.


Rack Gear on the other hand:

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Originally Posted by rack gear (Post 8189885)
so where's the great internet protest and black out for solidarity in response to this censorship? huh? jimmy wales is busy? larry page is in his hot tub on his private plane? yeah... that's what I thought too... helping this band doesn't help their corporate bottom line so let um' hang... nice internet, and I thought you actually cared about censorship... guess not... pass the free beer... (burp).

Are you talking to me? I can't decipher your gibberish.

Seriously, if you could make one single concise point, it'd be mighty helpful.

chrisso 23rd August 2012 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8189958)
Are you talking to me? I can't decipher your gibberish.

Generally most of us are talking (typing) to anyone participating in the thread.
You do seem to have had an aggressive response to some posts in this discussion.

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8186858)
Huh? What planet are you living on?

There is currently room for anything on the internet, corporate shills and independent civilian bloggers alike.

You're missing the point.

The point is that a very large percentage of your so-called "independent civilian bloggers" are in reality paid corporate shills - and the average person has no way to tell which is which. In fact, many of your "independent civilian bloggers" who are not directly backed by corporations and believe they are independent are infiltrated by or under the influence of corporate shills and don't even know it. The recent anti-SOPA campaign is a prime example.

unitymusic 23rd August 2012 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisso (Post 8189945)
I think the thread was started to rally support for fellow musicians facing jail time for speaking their mind.

I think about one out of every thousand words I've read have been vaguely relevant to at least acknowledging that...

Ghosted 23rd August 2012 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AyA (Post 8188332)
Lyrics from a song by Pussy Riot. In englishish.

----------------------------------------------
"The Kremlin is the rebellious colonies
In FSBshnyh cabinets explode window.
Females ssut for red walls
Riot announce Abortion system!

Attack at dawn? I will not argue
For our freedom and yours a whip to punish
Madonna in Glory learn to fight
Feminist Magdalene went to the demonstration

Revolt in Russia - the charisma of protest
Rebellion in Russia - Putin pissed
Rebellion in Russia - we exist
Rebellion in Russia - rayot rayot

Go out to the street,
Live in Red
Show freedom
civil anger

(playing on the square)

Discontent culture male hysteria
Wild leaderism eats brains
Orthodox religion is a hard penis
Patients are invited to conformity

Mode is censorship dreams
It's time to disruptive collisions
A flock of females sexist regime
Apologies to feminist wedge.

Revolt in Russia - the charisma of protest
Rebellion in Russia - Putin pissed
Rebellion in Russia - we exist
Rebellion in Russia - rayot rayot

Go out to the street,
Live in Red
Show freedom
civil anger"
---------------------------------------------


I don't understand, can anyone explain?

Rather harmless lyrics.


Syncamorea 23rd August 2012 02:04 AM

We're gonna start a new band and name it Expensive Pussy Riot and donate all the proceeds to freeing Free Pussy Riot. At this very moment, we're drawing up a contract that clearly defines what monies are costs and what monies are proceeds. So please, support Expensive Pussy Riot and you'll be standing tall to Free Pussy Riot.

Seriously, do it, it'll be a riot. The first single we're working on is "My Pussy is in the Slammer." We in no way intend to offend, we're just trying to get into the Pussy Riot state of mind.

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8186966)
As you know, the internet requires judicious consumption.

If you can't find independent news outlets, you're doing it wrong.

So how do you know they're independent?

I would bet that at least some of the news outlets you believe are independent are not.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Eat (Post 8187028)
maybe in your country. in the us much of 'news' pieces, especially on the local news... the fluff pieces, the lifestyle, the human interest, the celebrity, the health and science stuff.. are usually just press releases from whoever is pushing what and are passed off as 'news' and information.

when you get to more of the national broadcast news, it shows up there as well at times, but more from much more powerful interests than the 'broccoli is healthy for you' growers association that will show up in the local news health segment

In many countries there are such regulations. Not in the US, sadly, which is why Fox News is not allowed to broadcast in Canada.

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by login (Post 8188642)
Wikipedia in the same bag as google.

In the same bag?

I guess you could say that - Wikipedia is largely funded by Google, both by Google grants and by matching contributions to their fund raising drives.

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8187799)

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Originally Posted by chrisso (Post 8189862)
You seem likely a highly sensitive person. ;)

Mature, too!

:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by chrisso (Post 8189964)
Generally most of us are talking (typing) to anyone participating in the thread.
You do seem to have had an aggressive response to some posts in this discussion.

He seems to have an aggressive response to most everything.

rack gear 23rd August 2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8189958)
Me? I'm ****ing zen.

Rack Gear on the other hand:

Are you talking to me? I can't decipher your gibberish.

Seriously, if you could make one single concise point, it'd be mighty helpful.

just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined Google variety...

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by John Eppstein (Post 8189991)
So how do you know they're independent?

I would bet that at least some of the news outlets you believe are independent are not.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Your paranoia is impressive.


Since we're playing bets, I would bet you watch Fox News. No offense, you just have that kinda vibe.


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Originally Posted by John Eppstein (Post 8190027)
Mature, too!

:facepalm:



He seems to have an aggressive response to most everything.


If you say so. If someone says something that doesn't address the matter at hand, then I might post a picture of Nick Cage with bird-hair. If that's aggressive, you should probably go get a prescription for xanax.

aroundtheworld 23rd August 2012 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rack gear (Post 8190057)
just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression

There is a petition on change.org calling to free Pussy Riot. It has 140,000 signatures.

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Originally Posted by chrisso (Post 8189945)
It is interesting there is no Kony style internet campaign, or comment from anti-censorship groups who are so vocal on copyright, freedom of speech and free information on the web.

I read an interesting article from The Atlantic just now, courtesy of Google News' dedicated section on Pussy Riot, entitled The Kony-ification of Pussy Riot. It is a provoking read.

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aroundtheworld (Post 8190105)
There is a petition on change.org calling to free Pussy Riot. It has 140,000 signatures.


I read an interesting article from The Atlantic just now, courtesy of Google News' dedicated section on Pussy Riot, entitled The Kony-ification of Pussy Riot. It is a provoking read.

I bet those don't count for some reason that Rack Gear will tell us about in his next post.

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8190063)
Your paranoia is impressive.

It's not paranoia when it's demonstrably true.

Quote:

Since we're playing bets, I would bet you watch Fox News. No offense, you just have that kinda vibe.
You lose.

Quote:

If you say so. If someone says something that doesn't address the matter at hand, then I might post a picture of Nick Cage with bird-hair. If that's aggressive, you should probably go get a prescription for xanax.
It's rude and childish.

And you're an expert at dragging things off topic with your ad hominem attacks.

John Eppstein 23rd August 2012 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aroundtheworld (Post 8190105)
There is a petition on change.org calling to free Pussy Riot. It has 140,000 signatures.


I read an interesting article from The Atlantic just now, courtesy of Google News' dedicated section on Pussy Riot, entitled The Kony-ification of Pussy Riot. It is a provoking read.

Thanks for the change.org petition.

It's interesting to see the Google (and The Atlantic) is doing a backhanded attempt to discredit the movement by somehow equating it with the Kony fiasco.

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by John Eppstein (Post 8190178)
It's not paranoia when it's demonstrably true.


Okay, demonstrate that sites that I think are independent are corporate-run.

Here: The Other 99, Ustream.TV: -Twitter- @Timcast @TheOther99 This channel is being maintained by The Other 99. We continue to be a primary source from the ...

It's some random kid who walks around NYC every day with a camera.


End of story.



He streams it on multiple sites. Ustream has some advertising (like Gearslutz), but it does not affect the content at all.

aroundtheworld 23rd August 2012 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by John Eppstein (Post 8190189)
Quote:

Originally Posted by aroundtheworld (Post 8190105)
There is a petition on change.org calling to free Pussy Riot. It has 140,000 signatures.


I read an interesting article from The Atlantic just now, courtesy of Google News' dedicated section on Pussy Riot, entitled The Kony-ification of Pussy Riot. It is a provoking read.

Thanks for the change.org petition.

It's interesting to see the Google (and The Atlantic) is doing a backhanded attempt to discredit the movement by somehow equating it with the Kony fiasco.

If you read the Atlantic article and took from it that conclusion, I'd suggest that it might be worth your while to re-read it. The article certainly does not discredit the motivation of those who support Pussy Riot; it rather reasons with those who are outraged at Pussy Riot's circumstances to consider also the broader issue of the Russian government's general-case treatment of political activism and activists. It seems to me a fair point to make, and a reasonable context to add: the media-friendly band Pussy Riot has captured the West's attention, but the author hopes that this attention can expand to include other unjustly imprisoned and threatened Russian political activists.

rack gear 23rd August 2012 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8190172)
I bet those don't count for some reason that Rack Gear will tell us about in his next post.

just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to ACTUAL censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined Google variety...

still waiting...

rack gear 23rd August 2012 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aroundtheworld (Post 8190300)
If you read the Atlantic article and took from it that conclusion, I'd suggest that it might be worth your while to re-read it. The article certainly does not discredit the motivation of those who support Pussy Riot; it rather reasons with those who are outraged at Pussy Riot's circumstances to consider also the broader issue of the Russian government's general-case treatment of political activism and activists. It seems to me a fair point to make, and a reasonable context to add: the media-friendly band Pussy Riot has captured the West's attention, but the author hopes that this attention can expand to include other unjustly imprisoned and threatened Russian political activists.

al jazeera felt the same
After Pussy Riot, artists everywhere must stand up for each other - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

but still not massive internet protest in the face of REAL censorship and oppression... I guess if it doesn't effect google's earnings it's not actually censorship that matters...

all that google's media stunt did in january was so how trivial they think censorship really is, and that's really sad.

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rack gear (Post 8190357)
just let me know when that big internet protest is going to take place in opposition to actual censorship and oppression as opposed to the imagined google variety...

Still waiting...

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Originally Posted by rack gear (Post 8190361)
al jazeera felt the same
after pussy riot, artists everywhere must stand up for each other - opinion - al jazeera english

but still not massive internet protest in the face of real censorship and oppression... I guess if it doesn't effect google's earnings it's not actually censorship that matters...

All that google's media stunt did in january was so how trivial they think censorship really is, and that's really sad.


Speaking of google: you should download that new google thing onto your computer.

chrisso 23rd August 2012 06:58 AM

You're getting more and more unhinged, in bigger caps.

And guessing J Eppstein watches Fox News? I had to laugh at that.
:lol::facepalm:

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisso (Post 8190601)
You're getting more and more unhinged, in bigger caps.

The thought that grown men would think that corporate-owned television news is more open and free than the internet is frankly maddening.

Ghosted 23rd August 2012 07:22 PM



If that happened here what would be the worst case scenario?

Perhaps disturbing the peace and trespassing? You might get arrested and have to pay some fines, but certainty not sent to prison for 2 years for "blasphemy".

mellotronic 23rd August 2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dappolito (Post 8176069)
Sure. What I wanted to say is, that the situation is bad for them overall. The majority hates them.

The "majority" has been brainwashed. Par for the course. Sounds like you're one of them.

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mellotronic (Post 8192199)
The "majority" has been brainwashed. Par for the course. Sounds like you're one of them.

kfhkh

Usually corporate media is responsible for swaying public opinion.


"Punditocracy," as they say.

LimpyLoo 23rd August 2012 09:59 PM

Take Action Now - Amnesty International USA

rack gear 24th August 2012 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8192677)

agreed. but do let me know when the big internet/google sponsored protest is going to be, I want to make sure I'm ready with all those google and wikipedia approved anti-censorship logos and graphics...

and from the op:
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For those who remain confused about the difference between FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and FREE BEER (er uhm music) please read this report from Amnesty International regarding Pussy Riot and do take action.

Freedom of Expression is truly a right to be protected and preserved, as ARTISTS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS:

Russia Implored to Release 'Pussy Riot' Group Following Court Ruling Prolonging Detention | Amnesty International USA

SIGN YOUR NAME:
Free Pussy Riot - Amnesty International USA

FREE PUSSY RIOT – GLOBAL PROTESTS:
Free Pussy Riot! |

chrisso 24th August 2012 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LimpyLoo (Post 8191484)
The thought that grown men would think that corporate-owned television news is more open and free than the internet is frankly maddening.

The fact you ignore financial manipulation on the internet is deeply naive.
I already told you, people are paid a fee to make supposedly personal tweets.
At least traditional broadcast is heavily scrutinized and legislated, and we can experience Russian TV, the BBC, PBS, Fox and Al jezeera and come to a balanced view based on all angles.
Bought bias on the net is at present unknown and insidious.