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Old 21st August 2012
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please support this band in any way that you can.
There's an article about them on my fridge, Mum put it there about three months ago...


Seriously, Placin does what Placin wants. There's a picture of him, Medievalev and The Burlesque-conman having lunch on my fridge too...

This is how you unify a nation.
Old 21st August 2012
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Old 22nd August 2012
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The content on television needs to please advertisers (unless it's viewer-supported). ........

The internet isn't like that (yet). If you have the internet, you can have access to raw information (e.g. accounts of Afghanistan that haven't been filtered through the corporate media, accounts of Occupy Wall Street that don't frame them as "dirty hippie socialists", etc). The internet enables kids to set up LiveStream feeds of live events, and anyone in the world with the internet can watch.

This is unprecedented in history. It offers great hope.
And yet tech companies pay bloggers (who seem to everyone impartial) to argue their cause and sell their products. Tweets are routinely paid for, so when a celebrity tweets they are having fun on holiday, or enjoying a pizza, you really have no idea whether they are posting an honest opinion, or saying something for a fee.
In this respect the internet is more devious than television and radio, where you have to declare a financial interest or business bias.
Old 22nd August 2012
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And yet tech companies pay bloggers (who seem to everyone impartial) to argue their cause and sell their products. Tweets are routinely paid for, so when a celebrity tweets they are having fun on holiday, or enjoying a pizza, you really have no idea whether they are posting an honest opinion, or saying something for a fee.
In this respect the internet is more devious than television and radio, where you have to declare a financial interest or business bias.
shills... judge not pleased... techdirt's sky is rising was funded by the CCIA... (aka google).

“Name your shills,” judge orders Oracle, Google | Ars Technica
Old 22nd August 2012
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In this respect the internet is more devious than television and radio, where you have to declare a financial interest or business bias.
Huh? What planet are you living on?

There is currently room for anything on the internet, corporate shills and independent civilian bloggers alike.
Old 22nd August 2012
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Huh? What planet are you living on?
The planet where you are duped into believing 'independent opinion' on the internet, only to find the blogger/forum member is paid by Oracle or Google.
Laws haven't caught up.
On the radio and television there are regulations that mean they have to clearly indicate when they are paid to express an opinion.
Old 22nd August 2012
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The planet where you are duped into believing 'independent opinion' on the internet, only to find the blogger/forum member is paid by Oracle or Google.
Laws haven't caught up.
On the radio and television there are regulations that mean they have to clearly indicate when they are paid to express an opinion.
As you know, the internet requires judicious consumption.

If you can't find independent news outlets, you're doing it wrong.
Old 22nd August 2012
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As you know, the internet requires judicious consumption.

If you can't find independent news outlets, you're doing it wrong.
If I engage you in conversation you're an independent news outlet.


Forums are the news.
Old 22nd August 2012
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On the radio and television there are regulations that mean they have to clearly indicate when they are paid to express an opinion.
maybe in your country. in the us much of 'news' pieces, especially on the local news... the fluff pieces, the lifestyle, the human interest, the celebrity, the health and science stuff.. are usually just press releases from whoever is pushing what and are passed off as 'news' and information.

when you get to more of the national broadcast news, it shows up there as well at times, but more from much more powerful interests than the 'broccoli is healthy for you' growers association that will show up in the local news health segment
Old 22nd August 2012
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If you can't find independent news outlets, you're doing it wrong.
Like I said, the world didn't only find out about Pussy Riot because of the internet. I heard all about it on my reliably independent television news.
Same with Assange news.
Old 22nd August 2012
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Like I said, the world didn't only find out about Pussy Riot because of the internet. I heard all about it on my reliably independent television news.
Same with Assange news.
and you hear about it because there is an internet. because there is mass global communication. because there is constant 24/7 to fill.

assange IS because there's an internet!

and.. and... whats the point you pushing anyhow?

besides... don't how things work in your country but american news media is pretty much picking up virtually all there stuff off the internet....NOT the other way round.

fukk.. all matt drudge has to do is report that some big shot politician is having sex orgies with aliens aboard a flying saucer without even a verifiable source and tv news will be all over it that same evening
Old 22nd August 2012
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whats the point you pushing anyhow?
(For the third time) that the internet wasn't responsible for the whole world hearing about Pussy Riot.
Many national broadcasters have correspondents in Moscow.
Old 22nd August 2012
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If you can't find independent news outlets, you're doing it wrong.
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Like I said, the world didn't only find out about Pussy Riot because of the internet. I heard all about it on my reliably independent television news.
Same with Assange news.
Old 22nd August 2012
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(For the third time) that the internet wasn't responsible for the whole world hearing about Pussy Riot.
Many national broadcasters have correspondents in Moscow.
ok, got ya. it was lost in the sauce.

in short, my point is, is that pussy riot would probably not have warranted attention except for the time we live in
Old 22nd August 2012
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ok, got ya. it was lost in the sauce.

in short, my point is, is that pussy riot would probably not have warranted attention except for the time we live in
Who cares?

They are getting attention in the time we live in... The whole point of living in time. To some. Some like to give and take. Eat and be eaten.


The pussy is righteous!
Old 22nd August 2012
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How come no one's come up with the graphic of kittens smashing windows and stealing tv's, flipping cop cars, setting the town on fire?
Old 22nd August 2012
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Too busy herding kittens to paint...
Old 22nd August 2012
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Who cares?

They are getting attention in the time we live in...
my great great grandson gave me a time machine. who cares? i'll let you know yesterday
Old 22nd August 2012
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Too busy herding kittens to paint...
You are thinking of the lesser-known group, Pussy Rodeo.
Old 22nd August 2012
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Lyrics from a song by Pussy Riot. In englishish.

----------------------------------------------
"The Kremlin is the rebellious colonies
In FSBshnyh cabinets explode window.
Females ssut for red walls
Riot announce Abortion system!

Attack at dawn? I will not argue
For our freedom and yours a whip to punish
Madonna in Glory learn to fight
Feminist Magdalene went to the demonstration

Revolt in Russia - the charisma of protest
Rebellion in Russia - Putin pissed
Rebellion in Russia - we exist
Rebellion in Russia - rayot rayot

Go out to the street,
Live in Red
Show freedom
civil anger

(playing on the square)

Discontent culture male hysteria
Wild leaderism eats brains
Orthodox religion is a hard penis
Patients are invited to conformity

Mode is censorship dreams
It's time to disruptive collisions
A flock of females sexist regime
Apologies to feminist wedge.

Revolt in Russia - the charisma of protest
Rebellion in Russia - Putin pissed
Rebellion in Russia - we exist
Rebellion in Russia - rayot rayot

Go out to the street,
Live in Red
Show freedom
civil anger"
---------------------------------------------


I don't understand, can anyone explain?
Old 22nd August 2012
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Its a holiday in Siberia
Where people dress in black
Its a holiday in Siberia
Where you'll kiss ass or crack

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Old 22nd August 2012
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Wikipedia in the same bag as google.

Big media being blessed...

Stating there aren't independent news on the internet...

The fail is strong on this topic.

Yep, internet freehadist are wrong, but the black/white view of the world around here is pretty hopeless.
Old 23rd August 2012
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I heard their latest (post sentencing) song yesterday (courtesy traditional broadcast media).
Old 23rd August 2012
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I heard their latest (post sentencing) song yesterday (courtesy traditional broadcast media).
I'm sure you did. I'm sure you see lots of other stuff too.


Nobody said you wouldn't see Pussy Riot stuff on the TV box. Congrats on pwning the strawman.
Old 23rd August 2012
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... in short, my point is, is that pussy riot would probably not have warranted attention except for the time we live in
Dixie Chicks.
Old 23rd August 2012
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I'm sure you did. I'm sure you see lots of other stuff too.
Nobody said you wouldn't see Pussy Riot stuff on the TV box. Congrats on pwning the strawman.
You seem likely a highly sensitive person.
Old 23rd August 2012
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They were convicted of "hooliganism"... whatever that is in Russia. Sounds like what happens if you talk bad about Obama in the USA.

Russia dismisses foreign critics of female punk rock band trial | Reuters

I don't see a real "clash of civilizations". Our own and religious institutions and government would put us in jail if they were allowed to. Fortunately, they are not.
Old 23rd August 2012
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I'm sure you did. I'm sure you see lots of other stuff too.

Nobody said you wouldn't see Pussy Riot stuff on the TV box. Congrats on pwning the strawman.
so where's the great internet protest and black out for solidarity in response to this censorship? huh? jimmy wales is busy? larry page is in his hot tub on his private plane? yeah... that's what I thought too... helping this band doesn't help their corporate bottom line so let um' hang... nice internet, and I thought you actually cared about censorship... guess not... pass the free beer... (burp).
Old 23rd August 2012
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They were convicted of "hooliganism"... whatever that is in Russia. Sounds like what happens if you talk bad about Obama in the USA.

Russia dismisses foreign critics of female punk rock band trial | Reuters

I don't see a real "clash of civilizations". Our own and religious institutions government would put us in jail if they were allowed to. Fortunately, they are not.
notwithstanding politics are barred here, I've not seen anyone imprisoned for speaking out against this president in the usa, or any other for that fact...
Old 23rd August 2012
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notwithstanding politics are barred here, I've not seen anyone imprisoned for speaking out against this president in the usa, or any other for that fact...
Not imprisoned, but certainly arrested. Arrested all the time. Haven't you been watching FOX news?

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You started this post because you KNOW it's political!
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