Peter Tunecore,
Wow. Seriously wow. For the record,
once again I'll state that I think Tunecore provides a valuable service to musicians - but wow - seriously...
You guys really need to get a handle on your PR, stats and spin. One more time - while you're here at GS this is info presented from a respected industry trade source - so I would suggest if you think that the information your company is not misleading, take it up w/ Resnikoff over at Digital Music News.
And to be completely clear I (me personally) am not, and have not accused Tunecore of anything other than being unable to have it's claims verified by an objective third party. Seems in this day and age - across all sectors - there is a call for openess and transparency.
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PeterTuneCore
That's the problem. What happens when SoundScan fails to report correctly,
Exactly how do you know that? If you do know that than you've identified the problem. If you've identified the problem you can work towards a solution.
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PeterTuneCore
or has formulae or methods that are either incorrect or not able to stay in touch with the changing times?
So is it formula's? Is it methods? Do you actually know? Why is it the changing times are not an issue for others? Just asking questions. Answers would be insightful and informative to all. I'm very happy to learn from what you guys are seeing.
But instead of answering the questions being asked of you - you respond with questions... again... not great for credibility... sounds like your repeating co. talking points without really having an actual understanding of what Soundscan is and how it works.
So tell me - how much do you, peter, actually know about Soundscan and music sales reporting? I was a day one subscriber in 1992 and prior to that I was on both sides of the reporting fence starting in retail (and getting label calls for reporting favors) and then later as a distribution rep, working to get better charting reports.
Bottom line : without third party objective verification there is no credibility or legitimacy. Just like the era of Hip-Hops "trunk sales superstars".
Can you explain to us how why it is exactly that Tunecore does not have the ability to collect or report soundscan data? It's a DISSERVICE to your customers to not have their sales legitimized by the industry standard sales tracking system for both physical and digital song and album sales.
Seriously. Really. What are these grand flaws in Soundscan that only apply to Tunecore? Why not have your data verified by Big Champagne then? Are you aware of Big Champagne?
How about you guys post all the checks and statements paid to Nevershoutnever - not a problem right? Full transparency. I'm sure we could all learn alot about what worked for them. It would be helpful to all of us to see the breakdown of song downloads, album downloads, streams etc - by account, over time, to see where a bands energy could really be focused. I think that would be a great service to the community.
It would probably look something like this:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.ne...s-earn-online/
Artists on Spotify get a million plays and a hundred bucks... so what metric is more important, the million plays (transactions as Tunecore calls them, correct?) or the hundred bucks. I think most people reading are probably more interested in the hundred bucks part of that equation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010...-money-spotify
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PeterTuneCore
Who made SoundScan, a creation barely 20 years old, the ultimate arbitrator of sales?
Uhm... seriously? Everyone in the business did. There was a value in objective reporting that's why every label pays to see not only how they are doing - but to learn from what their competitors are doing.
I'm still not getting the feeling you truly understand what Soundscan is and how it works.
Why is Tunecore so threatened by third party objective verification of your sales data?
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PeterTuneCore
That's one of the problems, and one of the reasons we thought our data might be fun to show.
Ok - so it's a problem, and you thought it might be fun to show - why not report it to Soundscan? The Orchard does, CDBaby does... I can show you the reports. Somehow The Orchard and CDBaby have figured this out but you guys who want to brag about your numbers can't, or won't? I don't get it?
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PeterTuneCore
Well, it was very nice of them to remove inflammatory words like those. Gearslutz is a class act.
--Peter
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If you think you are being misrepresented by Digital Music News why not get a retraction to the story they ran?
Here's another in case you missed it:
TuneCore Artists Gross $35 Million In 2009... - Digital Music News
feel free to click the link to read it, here's a quote regarding Tunecore's stats reporting:
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All of that is a great advertisement for TuneCore, though it remains unclear what the top sellers - as individuals - are making. The company may offer that data at a later point, but a representative has yet to respond to an inquiry on the matter. The answer may shed some light on whether DIY artists are actually earning serious checks.
I think anyone is justified in asking for back-up, and third party objective verification to claims that are being made publicly and in the context of self promotion.
for those who don't want to read the link above it breaks down what we already know - alot of streaming activity that pays next to nothing - qouting streaming "transaction" stats without revenues is bonk. Also - the curious might want to read the reader responses to that story as well.
I have nothing against Tunecore, It's a great service - so why all the smoke & mirrors? Why not just fess up and report or get the data objectively verified. It's always fascinating to me when people say they're not hiding anything but won't show you what you're asking for...
(fyi - I feel a thread removal coming on so I'm printing what's here as a PDF before it goes by by...)