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Is DP your DAW long-term? (And related questions.)
Old 14th September 2020
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Is DP your DAW long-term? (And related questions.)

DP has been my primary DAW for 20+ years now. As some of you might have seen in the "not happy with DP 10" thread, I've been plagued by unusually frequent crashing since upgrading to 10.1, to the point where I'm thinking about moving, most likely to Logic (which I've begun doing some of my work in already), but possibly to something else.

At this point, I'm curious about others' experiences and how they see DP fitting into their future work. So, three questions:

1) If you are currently doing a substantial portion of your DAW work in DP, do you think that will still be true 3 years from now?

If the answer is no, then:

2) What DAW(s) do you think will replace it?

3) What (if anything) could MOTU do to keep you in the fold?

My answers would be:

1) No
2) Most likely Logic (other contenders: Studio One, Reaper, Cubase)
3) Stability fixes and better remote control options (either a dedicated mobile app or hardware device)

Curious to hear from others.
Old 18th September 2020
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1) If you are currently doing a substantial portion of your DAW work in DP, do you think that will still be true 3 years from now?
Probably, I've used DP off and on since forever. Used Performer in a band in the 80's, then bought DP 2.11 in around 96. Popped over to Logic for a few years 01-08 or so.

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2) What DAW(s) do you think will replace it?
In my case for a lot of things Bitwig. But Bitwig doesn't do movie hosting, SysEx saving or firing, and probably won't ever get Articulation maps. I spent some time looking for an MPE DAW and I simply cannot get over the MIDI input limitations of Logic, by channel only, they really try to steer you away from multi track MIDI recording, which I didn't know I did much of until trying to use Logic.

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3) What (if anything) could MOTU do to keep you in the fold?
MPE and articulation map support are at the top of the list.

Clips in DP are behind Logic and miles behind Live and Bitwig. though there are some unique features such as stacking clips to fire later, the others do not do that!

The main thing that has me wandering from DP is controller support, or the limited bare minimum support MOTU offer in DP. Logic and Bitwig in particular both offer amazing controller support, especially Bitwig, any VST or VSTi is mapped to common parameters if you want, that pull up in any song, plus song specific parameters are visually mapped, all launchpad and even Push 2 controllers have support for clips, any transport for any controller can be assigned to be a control surface in Bitwig. DP on the other hand mostly does HUI and Mackie control surface support, so keyboard with transports that follow those protocols work, but not much else, MIDI learn works, but it's not elegant compared.


Side note, I had issues in DP 2.7 with "repeat" dropping the first repeat when recording, a small bug, but I wandered off to Logic, which was rock solid 4.7 to 6, then nose dived into constant crashes in v7 which had me thinking about DP again. I'm definitely not one to tell someone not to switch, I own: Live, Logic, DP, Bitwig, Reaper, and if you want to count them as DAWs of a sort: ReNoise, Maschine, MPC, and Reason. I do use DP 80% of the time, though that's changing recently as I've been getting into MPE, and it's easier in the MPE capable DAWs, specifically Reaper and Bitwig. Logic can do MPE, but it takes all 16 channels, so only one controller at a time etc.

Anyway, it's a bit of a headache really, they all have strong and weak points, so it's hard to stay loyal. If DP covered the four requests I posted above, I don't think I would ever leave it, but likely, they can't spend that kind of resources on DP for a few more years so I work in other DAWs when I want MPE or control surface support etc.
Old 24th November 2020
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If you are currently doing a substantial portion of your DAW work in DP, do you think that will still be true 3 years from now?

3 years? LOL.

I've been using DP since vers 1.0. (And before that I used Performer...been in deep with MOTU since ~1986 or '87.) Somewhere around 2005 or 2006 I made a deal with myself: I was not going to change, or even upgrade, my DAW until I was losing work because of some capability that my current DAW couldn't accomplish.

In '05 or '06 my current DAW was DP vers 4.5*

Guess what. I'm still using DP vers 4.5*. Haven't lost a day of work.

So 3 years from now? Unless my Mac completely schidts the bed, or my DP install suddenly gets corrupted, I totally expect to still be using DP vers 4.5*.



*edit: I just noticed it's v4.61 I'm using.

Last edited by Bob Ross; 27th November 2020 at 02:49 PM.. Reason: updated v#
Old 24th November 2020 | Show parent
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3 years? LOL.

I've been using DP since vers 1.0. (And before that I used Performer...been in deep with MOTU since ~1986 or '87.) Somewhere around 2005 or 2006 I made a deal with myself: I was not going to change, or even upgrade, my DAW until I was losing work because of some capability that my current DAW couldn't accomplish.

In '05 or '06 my current DAW was DP vers 4.5

Guess what. I'm still using DP vers 4.5. Haven't lost a day of work.

So 3 years from now? Unless my Mac completely schidts the bed, or my DP install suddenly gets corrupted, I totally expect to still be using DP vers 4.5.
Solid, the argument for hardware has always been stability, but the reason software isn't stable is because people tend to constantly tweek it. I've thought about freezing a system in the past, but I just don't mind the quirks of upgrading it seems.
This O9 Mac Pro is frozen though, and will remain the same.
Sounds like you managed to avoid Intel Macs entirely.
Old 1st December 2020
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Been on since DP4 and no real reason to switch. I've been intrigued by Live for a while but clips may be enough to keep me from trying it. No crashes here with DP10 by the way, but maybe I'm not taxing the system as much. I am also on a 2011 mac mini so not exactly a modern powerhouse (i7 8gRAM).
Old 1st December 2020
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๐ŸŽง 10 years
DP's Clips are OK, not as good as the competition as of now. I'm rooting for some improvement there. It's what Live 4 had basically.

Yeah, now that Live 11 is getting MPE support I'm a bit anxious, but I have to say I really appreciate the routing in DP. Playing around with Bitwig and Logic lately, I appreciate all the power they have, and yeah it points out how far behind in certain areas DP is, but I have a lot of love for the way Chunks make my projects work. Routing at least in the mentioned DAWs is almost an afterthought, the way you do multi instruments in both is essentially insider knowledge, there's no way you would figure it out on your own.

Plus there are a lot of essentially batch commands in DP, these are pretty much absent in other DAWs I've used. Rerouting audio and MIDI in and out consecutively is dead easy. Anyway the rumor is an update or new version is in the works, when it will drop is anyone's guess.
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