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Copying a Synthesizers.com (or Moog) System with Eurorack
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Copying a Synthesizers.com (or Moog) System with Eurorack

This is a subject I bring up every once in a while. I love the sound of Synthesizers.com oscillators to pieces, but I hate the amount of space the system take up and how clumsy patching it up feels. So once again, I'm debating selling my DotCom. What essential pieces am I going to need to replace them with in Eurorack, and what modules would you recommend for those parts? I've got some SE and Pittsburgh oscillators on the way to try out as a replacement, but I need to start looking for a Moog-alike filter (the one in my Mother-32 maybe?) and I'd love a spring reverb like the Q115. Is there anything else that I'd be missing out on and start looking for replacements on?

For reference, here's what I'm currently rocking:

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The Aion modules seem to have same features and miniature version of the ergonomics. I only own the low pass filter, which is great, but I don’t know how close it is to the.com stuff. I guess their 24db filter is more Minimoog than the Aion, which is more Moog modular.
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I'm looking forward to buying some of that dotcom derp...
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I find the AJH stuff to be very similar to Moog.
If money was no object, a mix of AJH and Macbeth (Eurorack)?
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I find the AJH stuff to be very similar to Moog.
If money was no object, a mix of AJH and Macbeth (Eurorack)?
This.
Old 6 days ago
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I find the AJH stuff to be very similar to Moog.
If money was no object, a mix of AJH and Macbeth (Eurorack)?
Pretty much, but if you can afford to replicate a dotcom system with Macbeth modules, you're probably better off just getting a dotcom system. It'd be way cheaper.
Old 6 days ago
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Just for example....
I had a vintage Polyfusion modular system that sounded amazing (also sexy). But it was the size of a wardrobe and effectively only gave you all the features of a Mini-Moog. So I sold it.
If you could get 90% of the sound and function by choosing the right Eurorack modules, that would be a decent compromise IMO.
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I find the AJH stuff to be very similar to Moog.
If money was no object, a mix of AJH and Macbeth (Eurorack)?
yeah those are the best Moogy makers at the moment. I could see some of the Roland/Malekko stuff as well for the vintage Roland vibe.
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yeah those are the best Moogy makers at the moment. I could see some of the Roland/Malekko stuff as well for the vintage Roland vibe.
Yep, I've got the System 500 and it sounds great. Nice snappy envelopes.
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I would add Aion modules to the mix. For replicating a 5U system in Eurorack it would make sense to start with the manufacturer who is actually porting 5U designs to the smaller form factor.
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Thanks for all the input so far. The thing I find offputting about AJH and Aion is that their modules are more expensive than Dot Com's. Seems kind of backward to be replacing a system with a smaller format, but paying more. I've got a two SE's and two Pitts oscillators on the way, so I'll try those out and compare to see if they're any good. Hopefully they won't all be buzzy like MFB's.
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Thanks for all the input so far. The thing I find offputting about AJH and Aion is that their modules are more expensive than Dot Com's. Seems kind of backward to be replacing a system with a smaller format, but paying more. I've got a two SE's and two Pitts oscillators on the way, so I'll try those out and compare to see if they're any good. Hopefully they won't all be buzzy like MFB's.
I haven't compared the two ever, but the AJH stuff sounds really wonderful and authentic in demos and performance videos (Colin benders has like 3 osc and 2 filters I think), and it's feature packed too. Really top notch gear in Euroworld. Dot com stuff is kinda at the bottom of the 5U barrel by comparison right? Entry-level is what I mean- no disrespect to it of course, but it is marketed that way too.
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Thanks for all the input so far. The thing I find offputting about AJH and Aion is that their modules are more expensive than Dot Com's. Seems kind of backward to be replacing a system with a smaller format, but paying more. I've got a two SE's and two Pitts oscillators on the way, so I'll try those out and compare to see if they're any good. Hopefully they won't all be buzzy like MFB's.
I don't really know too much about dotcom but aren't they just moog format and moog "inspired" with any real attempt to recreate anything moog? Whereas AJH and Aion are both based on actual moog circuits (Minimoog and Moog Modular).
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Isn't that e440 filter from SynthTech specifically one of those bigger modules crammed into a eurorack format, and supposedly a really nice sounding filter?

I know next to nothing about the other modular formats but I recall reading about that one in some of my research.
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Dot com stuff is kinda at the bottom of the 5U barrel by comparison right? Entry-level is what I mean- no disrespect to it of course, but it is marketed that way too.
Yeah, they're like the Doepfer of 5u: Cheap and makes a good foundation because of all the bases they cover. I haven't compared to other oscillators in 5U, but the Q106 just sounds amazing. So far, the only oscillator I've found that can match it is the ASol ones, but they lack a lot of features and flexibility that the Q106 has.

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I don't really know too much about dotcom but aren't they just moog format and moog "inspired" with any real attempt to recreate anything moog? Whereas AJH and Aion are both based on actual moog circuits (Minimoog and Moog Modular).
I haven't ever messed with a real Moog modular, so yeah, that's kind of unfair of me to compare the Dot Com to the Moog. I just don't know how else to quantify it. The DotCom just sounds like pure electricity to me, and that's what I'm trying to capture, but in a format that I prefer.
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Yeah, they're like the Doepfer of 5u: Cheap and makes a good foundation because of all the bases they cover. I haven't compared to other oscillators in 5U, but the Q106 just sounds amazing. So far, the only oscillator I've found that can match it is the ASol ones, but they lack a lot of features and flexibility that the Q106 has.



I haven't ever messed with a real Moog modular, so yeah, that's kind of unfair of me to compare the Dot Com to the Moog. I just don't know how else to quantify it. The DotCom just sounds like pure electricity to me, and that's what I'm trying to capture, but in a format that I prefer.
Do you have a Mother-32? The raw oscillator tone is quite good and more vintage sounding to my ears than phattys and subs. Not suggesting you buy one but you could use it for comparisons sake if you already had one...
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Do you have a Mother-32? The raw oscillator tone is quite good and more vintage sounding to my ears than phattys and subs. Not suggesting you buy one but you could use it for comparisons sake if you already had one...
That's a good point. I keep using the Mother 32 for the LFO's, and kinda forgot that it had an oscillator. ...and a Moog filter.

...you know, maybe I do have too many modules?
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That's a good point. I keep using the Mother 32 for the LFO's, and kinda forgot that it had an oscillator. ...and a Moog filter.

...you know, maybe I do have too many modules?
The problem is the stupid voltage discrepancy as far as proper integration. Even with a Mother I'd still go for AJH.

Re:too many modules: see gear porn thread.
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I think I see what you're getting at, Derp. Personally I see Doepfer and Pittsburgh as being similar to some of the business aesthetics of Dot.com: aiming at full sounding, basic building block modules meant to not break the bank. Less boutique-y than direct clones (like AJH, Aion, Macbeth et. al) but not less ballsy.

You said you just ordered some Pittsburgh VCOs right? To me that would be one to try vs. the dot.com.
Old 5 days ago
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Thumbs up for AJH.
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I think I see what you're getting at, Derp. Personally I see Doepfer and Pittsburgh as being similar to some of the business aesthetics of Dot.com: aiming at full sounding, basic building block modules meant to not break the bank. Less boutique-y than direct clones (like AJH, Aion, Macbeth et. al) but not less ballsy.

You said you just ordered some Pittsburgh VCOs right? To me that would be one to try vs. the dot.com.
Yeah, I've got Pitts and SE oscillators on the way. Good point about Doepfer, though. If I'm not happy with the Pitts or the SE, I'll try Doepfer next.
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I was in Elevator Sound in Bristol the other day, and the (Really friendly and approachable) guy there mixed all the waveforms from the AJH oscillator into the BASTL Cinnamon module and Jesus H Christ it convinced me to get another case.

Definitely the best Eurorack oscillator I've personally experienced.
Old 5 days ago
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I tell ya, the AJH stuff is great.
I live near-ish Elevator Sound. I need to go there.
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BASTL Cinnamon
Be careful, a lot of the awesomeness you were hearing might be coming from that. I don't doubt that AJH modules sound good, but be aware that Cinnamon is a very cool filter.
Old 4 days ago
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The problem is the stupid voltage discrepancy as far as proper integration.
That's easy to fix / compensate for though, with the correct widget/module, no?
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That's easy to fix / compensate for though, with the correct widget/module, no?
People keep saying that but I never had any luck with mine. -5v is a long way from zero lol. I think the mothers work best with themselves honestly. Still not sure why there isn't a standard.
Old 4 days ago
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just my 0.02

alternative idea is selling big dotcom system and ordering smaller portable Synth-Werk or Mos-Lab MU system. You will have small system with outstanding classic sound. After this, you can add some more filter, folder by your choice from Megaohm, Corsynth, Oakley and forgot about thinking what to buy. This MU system will be perfect for your needs.

if you compare sound not from creepy YT videos you will find real difference between SW, ML and Doepfer, Pitssburg, COTK(Aion) systems. Macbeth sounds also great, but it even more expensive. You can find friends with SW, ML systems and euro classic monosynth clones and compare them.
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Be careful, a lot of the awesomeness you were hearing might be coming from that. I don't doubt that AJH modules sound good, but be aware that Cinnamon is a very cool filter.
I heard it through a more simple filter. The oscillator is just incredible. It's on my list.

And yes... I'd never paid much attention to Cinnamon but that thing is pure dirt. And a great price.
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I tell ya, the AJH stuff is great.
I live near-ish Elevator Sound. I need to go there.
Hi Chrisso.

I'd recommend it. Really friendly place. They're completely into it and the other visitors were all really friendly people.

Their cat is hilarious.

I strolled over from Southville with the good lady. It was almost like showing someone on death row the chair months in advance of them sitting in it.

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Will do.....
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