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Old 15th January 2010
  #31
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Anyone know the going rate on a 259 these days?
Depends on how much of an asshole you're trying to buy one from... but count on spending at least $5k for the honor of being told how lucky you are that you were allowed to buy one.
Old 15th January 2010
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Depends on how much of an asshole you're trying to buy one from... but count on spending at least $5k for the honor of being told how lucky you are that you were allowed to buy one.
And they are REALLY cool, but I prefer the 258.
Old 15th January 2010
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Yeah 258's are cool i guess (i got 3x 258v)
But the 158 and 144 are great ones to.
Old 15th January 2010
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Originally Posted by cfalk View Post
if you won't say they're overpriced.. i will. $1000+ a module....LOL. Buchla should be ashamed. it's still $200 worth of parts, no matter how you slice it. THAT SAID... i would love a $14,000 dollar Buchla modular system. the most original set-up going. too bad it's only for rich people and not for working musicians.
You could buy a serge dual vco panel $1800
quality costs.

Old 15th January 2010
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Yeah 258's are cool i guess (i got 3x 258v)
But the 158 and 144 are great ones to.
Agreed on all 3

One of these days I'll cave and start looking for some 100 series modules. Been doing a good job of keeping my lust at bay with the 200e though
Old 15th January 2010
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And they are REALLY cool, but I prefer the 258.
The 259 was basically my introduction to synthesis. An old family friend had an original 200 system when I was probably 8 or 9 years old, and I've been hooked ever since.

If only I knew where that guy was now so I could yell at him for the amount of time and money he has cost me since then
Old 31st March 2010
  #37
My 4-boat system was just delivered this past week. Here's a photo of the beast:



(borrowed from my studio construction thread)

The layout from bottom to top is...

oscillators: 2x259e, 1x260e, 3x261e
envelope generators and sequencer: 2x 281e, 2x292e, 1x250e
phase, filter, freq, patch and midi: 1x297, 2x291e, 1x210e, 1x225e, 1x285e
noise, cv fun, multi-input, system: 1x266e, 1x255, 1x222e, 1x256e, 1x227e

Sweet!
Old 31st March 2010
  #38
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Will you marry me?

Old 31st March 2010
  #39
LOL
speechless.....
congrats man!!!
Old 31st March 2010
  #40
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@clueless

mind me asking how much that cost you in total? just curious.

but that is seriously making me jealous. its beautiful.
Old 31st March 2010
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@clueless

mind me asking how much that cost you in total? just curious.

but that is seriously making me jealous. its beautiful.
That's gotta be $20-$25k+

Awesome man!

I see you are in the research triangle. Is this for an institution
or is this a personal acquisition?

That gonna be amazing fun.
Old 31st March 2010
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that is a thing of beauty.

but what most people don't realise is that it's only the size of a paperback book.

watch you don't lose it down the side of the sofa!
Old 1st April 2010
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+oo

Doepfer is cheap and crap.dfegad

Disagree. For utility modules, Doepfer is just fine. I love my A140s, Mults and even my A131 VCA (although its a bit noisey). For things that make sounds though, look elsewhere.



alexP
Old 1st April 2010
  #44
bbrrrrrrrr a*** brrrr bbbrrrr akk aaaa*** bbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr bbrrrrrr aa*** a****** bbrrrrrrr a***kk pew pew ....... that'll be $20 000

i once emailed don to ask him why the box was so expensive. cost more than any other synth in my studio! never mind a whole system !! his response was great basically mass produced synths just aren't as special or inspired and you get what you pay for. he's a synth legend building space modules by hand that are far above and beyond anything, ever. . still, i think i'll stick with my laptop i make more money with it in non-music related work nowadays
Old 1st April 2010
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@clueless

mind me asking how much that cost you in total? just curious.

but that is seriously making me jealous. its beautiful.
The module prices are all posted on the Buchla website. Add a little for shipping and you'll get the right answer. I don't actually know the answer because I started with a 3-boat system and then upgraded. Don's policy,which is excellent, is to provide full price credit for modules you turn in against new purchases. I turned in my 3-boat module for a 4-boat and that saved me the trouble of listing it on Ebay--a great value to me!
Old 1st April 2010
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I see you are in the research triangle. Is this for an institution
or is this a personal acquisition?

That gonna be amazing fun.
It's an acquisition going into my new studio in Pittsboro. And yes, it is amazing fun!
Old 1st April 2010
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The two that intrigue me the most are the Infinite Phase Shifter
and Frequency Shifter/Balanced Modulator.

I'm also intrigued by the Serge Soup Kitchen...

but I'm a processing/fx nut.
Old 1st April 2010
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The two that intrigue me the most are the Infinite Phase Shifter
and Frequency Shifter/Balanced Modulator.
The 285e Freq Shifter/Balance Modulator is very much an instant gratification device. I haven't yet found the magic knowledge to unlock the wonderfulness of the 297 yet.
Old 1st April 2010
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I can't justify the expense of a Buchla 200e but from personal flight time with a 200e and some 200 modulars I can attest that they are very different systems from anything else. Moogs and derivatives rely on the filter for shaping the sound. Buchla relies on their complex VCOs and processors for shaping the sound. Buchla is not renowned for their filters and this forces you to adapt. I'm a creative person and it didn't take me long to find my way around them. They're very flexible machines and the small footprint of the modular belies the power underneath.
Old 1st April 2010
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Originally Posted by alexp View Post
Disagree. For utility modules, Doepfer is just fine. I love my A140s, Mults and even my A131 VCA (although its a bit noisey). For things that make sounds though, look elsewhere.

alexP
Well, I don't know, but I have spoken with users who have both Doepger and Serge systems and guess what? they were SO pissed off by the quality of Doepfer that they wouldn't touch a Doepfer again. They told me that pots are crap, knobs are crap, quality is average (at the very best).

Support? Well, people have bought this Schaltwerk (whatever it's called) and they have been waiting for proper MIDI implementation for ages. Dopefer said they are working on it and users have been waiting for something like 8 years. Maybe they are *still* working on it.

Aesthetically-wise, I just don't like it. Some might do, though. I am cool.
Old 1st April 2010
  #51
Maybe things have changed at Doepfer.
I bought a large system in the 90's when they first came out.
I had absolutely zero issues with the build or sound quality.
I highly rate Analogue Systems too by the way, and there are so many other great modules offered by a variety of 'Euro' builders.
At the same time I owned Serge and later bought Buchla.
Apples and oranges workflow-wise - that's the main difference.
I decided I preferred banana systems to mini-jacks, so I sold all my Euro and bought a variety of banana based systems (Modcan, Serge, Buchla).
Old 2nd April 2010
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Buchla is not renowned for their filters and this forces you to adapt.
I adapted by buying a pair of Ebbe und Fluts.
Old 2nd April 2010
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Originally Posted by Clueless View Post
I adapted by buying a pair of Ebbe und Fluts.
But you still have 2 Buchla filters heh

I'm curious...do you find the sequencer to be enough for
that large of a system?
Old 2nd April 2010
  #54
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But you still have 2 Buchla filters heh
I have 2 triple-morphing filters and 2 quad dynamics processors (that have the all-important cv-controlled high-pass filters). And several other modules have filtration as well, but the Ebbe und Flut is a whole 'nother thing.

Quote:
I'm curious...do you find the sequencer to be enough for
that large of a system?
I'll find out! And I also plan to give Volta (or equivalent) a chance to put my laptop to use.
Old 2nd April 2010
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too bad it's only for rich people and not for working musicians.
I'm picturing a wedding band playing a bug music rendition of Brown Eyed Girl on Buchlas.
Old 9th April 2010
  #56
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Originally Posted by Clueless View Post
I have 2 triple-morphing filters and 2 quad dynamics processors (that have the all-important cv-controlled high-pass filters).
I assume you mean bandpass filters, if you are talking about the 291e or lopass filters (292e).
there are no dedicated high-pass filters in Buchla 200e format.
Old 9th April 2010
  #57
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by the way...NICE studio project!!! looking forward to seeing it completed.
Old 9th April 2010
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I assume you mean bandpass filters, if you are talking about the 291e or lopass filters (292e).
there are no dedicated high-pass filters in Buchla 200e format.
You are right...I got it backward. It even says "lo-pass" right on the module. Doh!
Old 11th September 2011
  #59
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any UK based Buchla owners want to take part in a paid sound-design project? PM me if so!
Old 11th September 2011
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Originally Posted by Fidgit View Post
some people never get it... not even reading what was written above. but that's alright, don't worry. go on with the "bashing" if it makes you feel better. THAT'S definitely for free...
I agree. I see these types of threads all over the place. And I must say, I also see them in praise of instruments also.

Often the strongest opinions on these various instruments, as well as their value, comes from people who have never used them, and in many cases know very little about them. And even when facts are presented to them, they ignore them. IMO, this is probably the worst thing about synth forums these days....
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