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Old 2 weeks ago
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What am I missing?

Hi, I am looking at a hypothetical set up. Could some of you experienced modular people look at the items below and let me know if I am missing any of the basics (e.g. do I need an envelope generator or is vca module enough)? Or any special utility or function modules to make the whole more powerful or flexible? I have sequencing covered elsewhere.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...lator-ensemble

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-resynthesizer

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-filter-module

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...vetable-module

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ual-vca-module

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...rack-amplifier

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ck-synth-voice

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...ck-synth-voice

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...effects-module

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...th-touchscreen
Old 2 weeks ago
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Can you put it on modular grid so we can look at it without clicking all the links? Also id suggest building it in vcv rack so you can get an idea of what it will do.
Old 2 weeks ago
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you already have 4 envelope generators in the tonestars...
Old 2 weeks ago
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Can you put it on modular grid so we can look at it without clicking all the links? Also id suggest building it in vcv rack so you can get an idea of what it will do.
Come on just click the links please and think about it? I already know what the modules will do, I just need to know if I'm missing anything important or any modules that would make the whole more flexible or useful.

If u guys really want me to put it on modular grid I will figure out how to do that.
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what do you want to achieve with this? easier to go from there.
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Yeah, we have no idea what the end goal is.

I STRONGLY suggest building a rack on VCV rack so you can see what you need. Buying all of these modules is a major investment, especially when you don't know what you are doing.

There is no way anyone can advise you on anything without you doing some of the basic groundwork. Modular takes some serious research. You can't just throw modules in a shopping cart and hope for the best (unless you hate your money of course).

The ultimate tools for a hypothetical setup are Modular Grid and VCV rack.
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I am most interested in sound processing stuff, particularly pieces that do not exist in the non-mod world. I have trimmed down my list. Now I want 2-3 Rossum pieces for sure, one of those powered double cases by Arturia, possibly couple of those full analog modules from studio electronics (though I may get them later), a drum/perc module or two, and likely one sequencer module (still to be decided).

I appreciate the warnings. I think modular is best done carefully with must-have as the mode of operation.
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really dude, modular grid is your friend. you get power ratings and module depths as well. you don't want to be underpowered or buy a module that won't fit on your case. you can even sketch a patch and see if you're missing something. but again, what are you interested in? cool filters? interesting oscillators? endless modulation? each of our racks have a purpose. but you have to expect that a lot of things you probably won't enjoy so much. workflow or menus or sound.
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Modular Grid will lead to less planning hassle for you and for the people supplying you with advice. Otherwise, all I can gather from that list of links is that you may want to try shopping at places besides Sweetwater.

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Come on just click the links please and think about it? I already know what the modules will do, I just need to know if I'm missing anything important or any modules that would make the whole more flexible or useful.

If u guys really want me to put it on modular grid I will figure out how to do that.
Listen, for most of us, seeing it laid out in a grid will help us to better understand what you’re going for, especially with a little explanation of what you currently would use with it and your goals. It’s a bit of work for a stranger to keep 14 different modules in their head and all of the possible connections for your starter rig, and a lot to ask for...but if you throw it into MG we can all see it and get a better idea of effectiveness. You may think you know what the modules will do just going from the descriptions, but I feel like anyone who has used modular for a few years will tell you that any basic, “on paper” description of a module can change dramatically based on how it is used...4 years in, I’m way less sure of what something will do than I would have been when I began, because every new module changes the entire thing in big and small ways...which keeps old modules exciting. And besides, if you’re at all serious about this you’re going to make 10 different rigs for current and future plans on MG anyhow, easily.
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Modular Gear will lead to less planning hassle for you and for the people supplying you with advice. Otherwise, all I can gather from that list of links is that you may want to try shopping at places besides Sweetwater.
I don't own a modular , but isn't the point of it not to have a 'goal"?

If I want a goal, I know what synths make what sounds.

To just play with it for hours and hours, and if something good comes out, then that was the objective?
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I don't own a modular , but isn't the point of it not to have a 'goal"?

If I want a goal, I know what synths make what sounds.

To just play with it for hours and hours, and if something good comes out, then that was the objective?
The “goal” is subjective, but also important unless you’re just going to throw money at it buying whatever seems cool. And it’s one of those things that seems to reveal itself with time as you patch together a few things. You get a module, and as you use it those goals shift a little as you find the thing that better defines what you’re working towards...over time, I think that “goal” becomes a more personalized sound than just following a recipe for how to make a certain sound.
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I don't own a modular , but isn't the point of it not to have a 'goal"?

If I want a goal, I know what synths make what sounds.

To just play with it for hours and hours, and if something good comes out, then that was the objective?
The point is definitely to have some sort of goal unless you want to blow way too much money on stuff and have a build that you have no idea how to patch effectively. It does not have to be specific like “I’m making Harp sounds in Cmin”, but it needs to be a real assessment of what you have now and how it will work in your existing system.

Examples - Do you need a huge rack if you want to use your DAW’s effects and have a mobile setup? Do you need a drum module if you already have a drum machine you plan to use? Do you have semi modular synths that you plan to sequence as well? If so, how many oscillator modules do you really need and what kind would compliment what you have already have on your desk?

Stuff like that can help you get an idea of what you want to use a modular for. Buying a modular with no plan only makes sense if you have a ton of free time and money to blow.
Old 1 week ago
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I am most interested in sound processing stuff, particularly pieces that do not exist in the non-mod world.
Then I wouldn't buy sequencers or all in one voice modules at first.
You want filters, fx modules, a stereo or two mono audio input modules..
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Then I wouldn't buy sequencers or all in one voice modules at first.
You want filters, fx modules, a stereo or two mono audio input modules..
Maybe I want to sequence filter parameters while I process sounds. Obviously I can do things like that all day long with modular.

I have altered my list however, by removing some of the osc modules, added one mutable full module for perc and added two mixer modules with aux outs (coming up short on aux though). Still thinking more but have come further than before.
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The challenge I am running into now is the audio mixer. I need as many out as I do in, which is different from the way I have my hardwired synths set up. Modules have as many ins as they do outs and everything goes into everything else! So far I have found 4 mixers and will have to do some diagraming to see which one(s) I need. Any suggestions welcome.

https://www.perfectcircuit.com/warm-star-fragment.html
https://www.perfectcircuit.com/low-g...dubmatrix.html
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...cv-audio-mixer
https://www.perfectcircuit.com/studi...cs-levels.html
Old 1 week ago
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Lots of oscillators is a good thing as you can use them for modulation.

All in one voice units are good as well, as they free up much and typically are able to supplement others. Just sayin.
Old 1 week ago
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Yeah but it's a question of priorities, especially regarding sequencers and oscillators and audio processing.
If it's a case of money no object, hp space no object, then yes, buy a huge modular system that covers all bases. But otherwise, it makes more sense to cover the obvious bases first.
When I was making music for film and television I did A LOT of audio processing. making drums sound more interesting, making guitars sound more weird.
I used a lot of distortion, spring reverb, frequency shifting, modulated delays (that can also do chorus, flange and phasing), comb filters, waveshapers, wave folding and multiplying.
99% of the time I tweaked the modulation by hand as I recorded the sound. It's too time consuming and fiddly to set up accurate modulation from an LFO or sequencer.
Yes, you can get into that too, but it makes more sense to set up the processing side first, then decide what you need to add afterwards.
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Certainly good advice. Personally, I chose to go the way of multi-function modules to provide as much functionality as possible from the get go. It's true though, that hp and cost have never been a huge concern for me, and the way I have been going about it, is definitely not the most affordable way to do things.
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