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Old 6th February 2017
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So have you just blew a fuse ?, I've blew a few fuses in my Doepfer cases.
The lights on all the busses are on, but only one light apiece on the right busses. On the left-2,3, and 2 lights on. Does that mean anything?
Old 6th February 2017
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The lights on all the busses are on, but only one light apiece on the right busses. On the left-2,3, and 2 lights on. Does that mean anything?
I'm not sure how the light sequences work however I am pretty sure you have blew a fuse, you should carry spare fuses.
My Doepfer 9U cases the fuse is behind a little hatch where the kettle lead plugs in, on my Rast the Fuse is on the power supply PCB, I'm not sure where the fuse is on my monster case as its never blew yet so not had a look.
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Old 6th February 2017
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I'm not sure how the light sequences work however I am pretty sure you have blew a fuse, you should carry spare fuses.
Where should i carry them?

But seriously can you tell me where they are located? Are these the kind of fuses you have to solder or the little cylinders that pop into clamps?
Old 6th February 2017
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Where should i carry them?

But seriously can you tell me where they are located? Are these the kind of fuses you have to solder or the little cylinders that pop into clamps?
They are the glass cylinders that pop in the clamps,
My Doepfer 9U cases the fuse is behind a little hatch where the kettle lead plugs in, on my Rast the Fuse is on the power supply PCB, I'm not sure where the fuse is on my monster case as its never blew yet so not had a look.

I also know my 9U and rast have different size fuses.
Old 6th February 2017
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@slaughtrhaus I just hope that your case has 2 fuses, if it only has one then obviously the fuse isnt the problem,
I've checked Doepfer website and your fuse is located where your kettle lead plugs in on the back of your case
Old 6th February 2017
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Do you not have a loupe ?
So, I took another look with the loupe after I finished the pots, jacks, etc. and it turns out it does have a notch - I just wasn't seeing it, or my eyes were tired from all the solder smoke.

Anyways, got it finished today and tested. It really does sound beautiful. Doesn't seem as nasty as the Doepfer, but I haven't given it much of a test drive yet. I love the distortion pre or post filter though, and it's resonance circuit is a thing of beauty - especially in bandpass or highpass mode.

But the best thing IMO is the Sync between the two filters - you can control the cutoff and CV of both A & B filters with just A, even with different sound sources. Hence the drone specialist. Oh, that and the ability to switch modes between serial and parallel modes for the filter, and CV control over that.

Anyone want to buy a Doepfer Wasp?

Would really like diving in more, but I have to watch an American tradition - a usually non-competitive American football game interspersed with occasionally creative and zany commercials about Doritos, Pepsi and Bud Light with a halftime show by pop musicians who haven't experience commercial success in the last twenty years, sometimes having wardrobe "malfunctions" in an effort to get enough press to be on the next Celebrity Apprentice and kickstart their careers, followed by a second half of a game already all but over and listening to broadcasters struggle to find something to talk about as the game is horrible.

(maybe a bit of sarcasm there)

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That sounds like a good starting point! The problem is that they are so many possibilities to achieve the goal you have with modular synthesis.

So you say I would need a

Resonating filter
LPG
Noise sources
Modulation? (EG/LFO)
Utilities

What else?

(Edit: What do you think about it?)
Just for the record, the reason I suggested this is because you're just getting started in modular. Making percussive sounds as well as non-percussive will help you get to know modular better.

For a resonating filter, there are tons of options, as you said. I can tell you that Three Sisters, while a great filter, can also do some really nice percussive noises as well as it being pingable.

For LPG's probably look at MakeNoise's stuff. The LxD looks like a nice option. I love my Thomas White Resonant LPG, but it's a DIY.

Noise source can be found on most sample and holds, or many oscillators.

You'll definitely want an EG or two (or four ) to form those percussive sounds and synth sounds, as well as a multi-LFO. Bastl Trinity has 6 of either as well as Just Friends. Maths can operate as an AR envelope and LFO.

You'll also want something for clocking. (you can use a square wave LFO, but it won't give you many options otherwise) Pamela's Workout is a popular choice for clocks and triggers, but there are tons of options there too.

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Where should i carry them?

But seriously can you tell me where they are located? Are these the kind of fuses you have to solder or the little cylinders that pop into clamps?
That's a bummer dude! Hope it is just a fuse. What case do you have and what power supply? That should help key in what and/or where the fuse is.

Derp was having issues earlier as too many of his modules took too much power at startup. Perhaps that was the case here? Might want to rearrange if you have multiple busses/power supplies, in case that's the case - once you've fixed the fuse.
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Old 6th February 2017
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It was a distribution issue, and it is fixed for now. I am nearly pushing max power for the case. Is there any way to beef up the power?
Old 6th February 2017
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Derp was having issues earlier as too many of his modules took too much power at startup. Perhaps that was the case here?
As far as I've been able to find, the power onrush issue is unique to Synthrotek. (Which is a damn shame because Super Power Blue is one of the highest speced power supplies that is essentially just 'Plug'n'Play'.)

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It was a distribution issue, and it is fixed for now. I am nearly pushing max power for the case. Is there any way to beef up the power?
I'm curious what you mean by distribution issue. I think the Monster cases have more than one power supply, right? So was it just a matter of getting them all plugged into the right ones? I'm a bit surprised to hear any power issues coming from a Doepfer. I was under the understanding that their cases were overpowered so you'd have a lot of overhead. Doepfer power is pretty hardy. I've got a PSU2 that I pulled from an LC6 that's being used to power 6 rows instead of 6u. It's way above the recommended power rating and still chugging along with no problems.
Old 6th February 2017
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Is there any way to beef up the power?
Is your monster case the newer one with the PSU3's, or the older one with PSU2's? If the latter, first I'm surprised that the power rating is so low for what is supposed to be such a large system. Second, you could beef it up by swapping for PSU3's. It'd give you a ton more power on hand.
Old 6th February 2017
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I'm curious what you mean by distribution issue. I think the Monster cases have more than one power supply, right? So was it just a matter of getting them all plugged into the right ones? I'm a bit surprised to hear any power issues coming from a Doepfer. I was under the understanding that their cases were overpowered so you'd have a lot of overhead. Doepfer power is pretty hardy. I've got a PSU2 that I pulled from an LC6 that's being used to power 6 rows instead of 6u. It's way above the recommended power rating and still chugging along with no problems.
My PSU is rated at 2400mA. Current module draw is 2204 not counting the EMW T-drum which is unknown to MG for some reason. 6 busboards = 400mA** per busboard, which means it already doesn't like the Performance Mixer which is 450mA. The Quadra was plugged into that busboard too and it worked fine pre-SMR. I hooked up the SMR to the right side in the middle and it didn't work. I read the manual, saw the thing about the jumper and threw it on the 5v rail (my PSU is the old one that doesn't have it) with Braids and the MI 5v dongle. The SMR works, but the whole right side of the case went out at that point which is when I first posted. That 5v rail also had Rings, Octocontroller, qmi2, and a few others plugged in so there was a pretty big draw going on.

Anyway I played module tetris just a bit and did a little more unplugging and plugging into adjacent boards with less plugged in and now it all works fine. But now i need more power, or else next time I try and add a module the same thing could happen again.




**if I am wrong about this technical stuff then why does it work now? Explanations welcome.
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Old 6th February 2017
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Mine is the case with only 2 power supplies not 4 (PSU2's), not so monster after all...*kicks sand*...wish I'd saved the sad panda meme for this moment...cane creek told me so...

Can I add more or just replace the existing ones? Some monster cases come with 4 PSU's

Otherwise I'm going to make a passive mult that takes up 120 hp I guess.
Old 6th February 2017
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I'm having a serious brain fart/idea meltdown on how to proceed next. I'm completely happy with the stuff that is already here after removing 3 more modules (Akemies Castle, Metasonix Filter, Synthrotek Midi-CV). I have some funds that have been sitting in paypal for weeks. I've frozen up and can't seem to decide what to do...I've got 138 (141 actually) hp hole in my case.
I'm not trying to build a live box anymore but trying to diversify sound sources and keep up on utility along the way. I might pick up a drum sequencer to go along with Grids, other than that I sequence using the Octatrack so not really interested in note sequencers right now.

<<Note about sequencers: Long term I will get a base case and fill it with sequencers and controllers but for now I am mostly avoiding those. I've been avoiding sequencers because I am very comfortable with the Octatrack and it was a good bit of work getting that way- euro sequencers look HARD to me, fiddly and menu-divey and learney. Unless that's just stupid.Maybe if any of you know the OT and Euro sequencers you could compare and contrast for me.>>


Short list of interesting stuff:
Freak (almost bought today)
Soulsby Oscitron
SMR
4ms cv matrix
Erogenous tones VC8
PEG
Chord (too bad it doesn't have CV outs for those intervals)

But there's a lot out there, sell me on something new.

Also, I know I am painfully short on envelopes. I love the Quadra, but I am hesitant to buy another one for fear of them being too...samey? I'd like something with similar capability (4 in one module) but maybe a different "flavor"? I'm up for whatever at this point, just needs to give me that "spark".


https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/394426
Slaughtrhaus are you selling your Akemies Castle?

I have a Malekko Richter vco 2 and Koma svf filter for trade if u r interested!
Old 6th February 2017
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wow can't believe that monster case runs so low on power so soon, and yes the fuses come in a little slide out compartment above where the power cord plugs into the case, there should be 2 fuses in there, if you turn on your case and look at the 3 led lights that light up on each busboard, if one of those is out it kind of tells you there is a problem.
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Old 6th February 2017
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Slaughtrhaus are you selling your Akemies Castle?

I have a Malekko Richter vco 2 and Koma svf filter for trade if u r interested!
My Akemie's Castle, Metasonix R54, and Synthrotek Midi-CV are all consigned at Control Voltage. Need cash, apparently for power supplies.

And i solved my little dilemma that post was about...i got the 4ms SMR today and it's wonderful.
Old 6th February 2017
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wow can't believe that monster case runs so low on power so soon, and yes the fuses come in a little slide out compartment above where the power cord plugs into the case, there should be 2 fuses in there, if you turn on your case and look at the 3 led lights that light up on each busboard, if one of those is out it kind of tells you there is a problem.
Only one fuse in mine, and it was fine. It should be noted that my case is one of the older ones (even though I just got it last summer), the newer ones come with PSU3's which are rated for 4000mA and supply 5v as well. Either way it's sorted for now...
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Old 6th February 2017
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Anyone ever tried patching blind? By that, I mean connecting a new patch before even turning on the modular and seeing what results. I saw a video earlier of someone trying this and getting some wicked Autechre-esque percussion, so I gave it a shot myself...got some interesting elastic bass sounds out of the Benjolin, not unlike what you might hear in a Sophie track. Seems like kind of a fun exercise to try if you don't necessarily have anything in mind, although given it was my first time I stuck to some more tried and true patching routines, so I'm hoping to experiment and get off the beaten path more.
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Old 6th February 2017
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Anyone ever tried patching blind? By that, I mean connecting a new patch before even turning on the modular and seeing what results.
I do this all the time.This is almost always how I "begin". It's almost always inspired by me thinking "I wonder what would happen if I hooked this up to that like THAT!". I'll go and plug it up before turning on the power and a lot of times even be recording the moment when I turn it on in case it actually sounds cool, which is some of the time.
Old 6th February 2017
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All this talk of power make me feel better for splurging on two PSU3's with my new case. It also served as a reminder about the fuses ... I had them in a "junk" bowl and would probably lose them by the time the inevitable happened and I blew one. They're now taped inside my case for if and when that moment comes.
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Old 6th February 2017
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Anyone curious about the R*S Dual Wasp, I just did a bit of a brief comparison to the Doepfer A-124 Wasp in LP and BP mode, with some interesting results. The R*S is definitely a lot smoother with pure filter sweeps - both with and without resonance. When it comes to adding resonance, there's a much bigger difference though. You get much clearer and cleaner harmonic tones from the R*S while the Doepfer breaks up sooner with full on distortion, which is IMO, quite interesting. As you add the distortion circuit on the R*S, you get a bit more breakup, similar but still not reaching the madness from the Doepfer.

The R*S has an option to add the distortion circuit pre-filter or have it post-filter. I've got it setup currently post-filter, so I'm guessing some more madness a la the Doepfer will arise if I switch the jumpers to pre-filter. You get a lot more amplitude gain with the R*S when the resonance is pushed, sometimes clipping my mixer when starting with the cutoff at max and the mixer level at -4 or so. So, it really jumps volume wise whereas the Doepfer doesn't jump nearly as much. I haven't tried an HP comparison yet, and this is obviously just single filter vs single filter, not using the sync or filters in series/parallel on the R*S.

I'll try to record a comparison using both the pre and post filter distortion circuits in LP, BP and HP modes vs. the Doepfer in the next couple of days. Another nice feature of the R*S is you can sweep between full-on LP and BP, similar to how you can on the Doepfer between LP and HP - which you can also do on the R*S. It's very reminiscent of my OB-6.

Unfortunately, it looks like the CV in isn't working for the A filter on the R*S, and there's no schematic available. So, I'm going to have to continuity test the thing from the CV jack to see where the issue may lie. Re-flowing didn't do the trick...:(
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My Akemie's Castle, Metasonix R54, and Synthrotek Midi-CV are all consigned at Control Voltage. Need cash, apparently for power supplies.

And i solved my little dilemma that post was about...i got the 4ms SMR today and it's wonderful.
How much is it on consignment? I can pay you the cash!
Old 6th February 2017
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Ironically, with all this talk about power and fuses, I blew a fuse in my main rack last night, plugging in the Dual Wasp backwards. Since I've got two Doeper A-100 DIY kits, they use the same fuse and I was able to swap them out to test if it was actually the fuse. Sure enough...

So I've ordered a few of these: http://www.mouser.com/Search/Product...y504-GMD-800MA. Doepfer recommends the 800 mA, slow blows even though it's 1.2 Amp-capable? Does this part look right to those of you who've swapped out fuses in the past? The existing fuses appear to be 1.2 Amps?
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Metasonix R54
Any idea how much they're selling it for? They haven't listed on their site yet. Also, can this thing do gentle at all, or is it strictly typical Metasonix WHRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZVVVVVVVDRDRDRDRBRKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! noises even when feeding it a low-volume plucked string sound.
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Anyone ever tried patching blind?
Think I need to try this one. So much of what module I pick is based on where the sound has started and where it's going, it'd be interesting to just start plugging away and then have to live with the end result.
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How much is it on consignment? I can pay you the cash!
lol, do you think you can handle the Akemie's? It's kind of a challenging module to use if you're not familiar with how FM synthesis works. Also, it gets kinda angry, so I don't know if that will fit your whole musical motif, mang. Try listening to music made with an OPL3 chip (same as what's on Akemie's Castle) on YouTube for a while to see if this is really what you want.







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How much is it on consignment? I can pay you the cash!
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Old 6th February 2017
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lol, do you think you can handle the Akemie's?
If you don't stop trying to sabotage my deals I'm gonna post that video of you...you know the one...
Old 6th February 2017
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Any idea how much they're selling it for? They haven't listed on their site yet. Also, can this thing do gentle at all, or is it strictly typical Metasonix WHRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZVVVVVVVDRDRDRDRBRKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! noises even when feeding it a low-volume plucked string sound.
Strictly making things sound all lo-fi (in a good way), or conversely tearing the universe a new a-hole as Metasonix gear is so well known for doing. Cool enough but I need the HP, I have enough "make the sound cooler" things...I need a few more "make the sound" things and some freakin VCA's...

If you are interested PM me an offer.
Old 6th February 2017
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if you don't stop trying to sabotage my deals i'm gonna post that video of you...you know the one...
Sorry bro, just looking out for my other bro. I've been intimate with his music doing remix work. I really don't think Akemie's will be suitable for what he does, bro.

Also, What the hell is this video you keep threatening me with!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Strictly making things sound all lo-fi (in a good way), or conversely tearing the universe a new a-hole as Metasonix gear is so well known for doing. Cool enough but I need the HP, I have enough "make the sound cooler" things...I need a few more "make the sound" things and some freakin VCA's...

If you are interested PM me an offer.
Sorry, no serious interest right now. My tax refund is going to credit cards and Studio Electronics.
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Sorry bro, just looking out for my other bro. I've been intimate with his music doing remix work. I really don't think Akemie's will be suitable for what he does, bro.

Also, What the hell is this video you keep threatening me with!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
On the flip side, I started with a DX11 ... essentially the same voice architecture as the Akemie's. Having knobs instead of a small LCD makes it a lot easier to understand what the hell is going on. You can get some great electric piano, bell, brass, and bass sounds out of a 4 OP FM synth.

Those demo's we're a bit of a worst case scenario; most of those voices sound like they're using the 2 OP mode of the chip. That said, FM is an acquired taste with all the different OSC options we have now days.
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