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Old 5th November 2013
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Old 5th November 2013
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FF800s are solid, dependable boxes.
I'm 99.44% convinced it's a driver issue with the other two boxes caused by updates from Apple in the new puters/OS.

Updating firmware in the audio device hardware likely won't solve the problem when you say they currently work at 48K but not at 44k Fs. That strikes me as a communication issue between the device and the computer and that's the device driver's responsibility to work with the OS.

Apple has been seriously toying around with their OS recently and that has affected several manufacturers that I'm aware of in a big way. The OS changes are part of a larger Apple marketing strategy and this problem with some audio device doesn't even get on the radar to them. Apple moves the goalposts for the 3rd party developers constantly and just did it again with Maverick. The device makers will have to adapt to Apple, and not the other way around.

At least with the RME you are back safely at cruising altitude & speed.

Reliability is a wonderful thing you don't notice until it's not there.
Old 6th November 2013
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Workstation grade pc and mac pro are generally are certified to work with more configurations than the consumer products. Because developers depend on demanding, complicated set ups.
Complicated? Not necessarily. These aren't complicated setups at all. In this case it's a soundcard connected by a USB cable to a computer. No Big Deal.

Certified configurations? It helps, particularly from the 3rd party vendors.

Firewire users suffered with Apple choosing Agere chips instead of TI. I'm sure Apple saved a few pennies on each motherboard chip. Users had to buy TI FW cards to drop in their machine slots to make them work with finicky outboard devices. The results of that debacle are still spoken of today.

Specifying a system takes into account, or should, the fact that all the components are known and tested to work together.
3rd party Manufacturers often specify known computer configurations and won't guarantee results with unknown set-ups.

Choosing a new computer design and OS is almost always asking for problems simply because they are new and untested. Some things may get sorted out over time as the 3rd party developers adapt but it does take time to figure out new issues.
Old 6th November 2013
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just as an fyi, it didn't reliably work at 48 either... it did once, but that was it.

today i sent the Orion back to sweetwater and purchased a 2nd FF800. i'm done with the struggles, but i'm going to keep an eye out on the continuing story if there is ever a resolution and fix.

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I'm 99.44% convinced it's a driver issue with the other two boxes caused by updates from Apple in the new puters/OS.

Updating firmware in the audio device hardware likely won't solve the problem when you say they currently work at 48K but not at 44k Fs. That strikes me as a communication issue between the device and the computer and that's the device driver's responsibility to work with the OS.

Apple has been seriously toying around with their OS recently and that has affected several manufacturers that I'm aware of in a big way. The OS changes are part of a larger Apple marketing strategy and this problem with some audio device doesn't even get on the radar to them. Apple moves the goalposts for the 3rd party developers constantly and just did it again with Maverick. The device makers will have to adapt to Apple, and not the other way around.

At least with the RME you are back safely at cruising altitude & speed.

Reliability is a wonderful thing you don't notice until it's not there.
Old 6th November 2013
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Complicated? Not necessarily. These aren't complicated setups at all. In this case it's a soundcard connected by a USB cable to a computer. No Big Deal.

Certified configurations? It helps, particularly from the 3rd party vendors.

Firewire users suffered with Apple choosing Agere chips instead of TI. I'm sure Apple saved a few pennies on each motherboard chip. Users had to buy TI FW cards to drop in their machine slots to make them work with finicky outboard devices. The results of that debacle are still spoken of today.

Specifying a system takes into account, or should, the fact that all the components are known and tested to work together.
3rd party Manufacturers often specify known computer configurations and won't guarantee results with unknown set-ups.

Choosing a new computer design and OS is almost always asking for problems simply because they are new and untested. Some things may get sorted out over time as the 3rd party developers adapt but it does take time to figure out new issues.
True!! apple just wanted to save money and most of there customers will never know or care.


My comment about certified for "complicated set ups" was not directed towards the audio industry specifically. most recording studio computers are straight forward.

My comment was about the workstation series boards. they are developed for demanding users that may possibly use them with unusual set ups. Witch is manly for 3d map/ modeling, cad, or HD video capturing customers. filing every slot with different brand hardware that may not play nice together on a consumer grade board. or 4 high end video cards chewing up 1300watts.

Workstation boards have extensive driver certifications and are generally built to be more reliable.

The undertone of my post was, using a gaming or workstation grade computer is playing it safe. using a consumer grade computer built for home use is risky for professionals that rely on there computers to make an income.


@ op.... if you prefer the apple os , Get the pro..
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just FYI. the latest pop craze.
Just finishing up that Katz book. One thing that sticks out in my mind was his mentioning of clock sync issues and noises. The pops in your latest example seem pretty regular.

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