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Old 12th September 2009
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I don't think so. For one thing, Philips offer a card / software system already, for another thing, the previous DSD hardware was BIG (not only a PC card but a whole other board), so they'd have to design brand new hardware... and I don't think there's a market for it.

TBH, Sadie going native, imo, is just too little too late. I doubt they have enough leverage at this point to increase their market share considerably by going native.
I think you should take a look at a basic Sonoma DSD Kit , take away the Meitner Converters and you would see what i am talking about


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Sonoma/Meitner 8 track kit (No Computer)

The Sonoma/Meitner 8 track kit includes:

* Sonoma PCI card
* Meitner MK IV 8 channel DSD A to D converter
* Meitner MK IV 8 channel DSD D to A converter
* 30 meter optical cable set
* Sonoma System Software USB Key, Software, and License
And that is a Basic start for getting into DSD
Old 12th September 2009
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WOW SADiE 6 Looks pretty
Old 12th September 2009
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I think you should take a look at a basic Sonoma DSD Kit , take away the Meitner Converters and you would see what i am talking about
I understand what you're proposing, it's not rocket science. I was saying that in order to offer that, Sadie would have to design brand new hardware (the one in the DSD8 is a whole daughterboard, not just a PCI card) and I just don't see enough of a market for it to make it worthwhile.
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I understand what you're proposing, it's not rocket science. I was saying that in order to offer that, Sadie would have to design brand new hardware (the one in the DSD8 is a whole daughterboard, not just a PCI card) and I just don't see enough of a market for it to make it worthwhile.
Well Naturally they would have to build new hardware, and I'm not saying that such a thing would be easy to do or cost effective, my idea just a way they can package it, so that it would be "within reach". Again just an Idea.
You don't see a market for an affordable HW/SW Combo for DSD or for DSD itself?
Because if you look at the sales of the Korg DSD units i think that DSD can still have a future.
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You don't see a market for an affordable HW/SW Combo for DSD or for DSD itself?
Because if you look at the sales of the Korg DSD units i think that DSD can still have a future.
That's true. But I'm not sure it would work in the price range that Sadie usually target their products for. I mean a DSD card / capable DAW software combo for $1000 would probably be interesting to some, if DSD is integrated well. But for, say, $5000 things would, I think, look quite different.
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That's true. But I'm not sure it would work in the price range that Sadie usually target their products for. I mean a DSD card / capable DAW software combo for $1000 would probably be interesting to some, if DSD is integrated well. But for, say, $5000 things would, I think, look quite different.
You also have to understand the original architecture of SADiE's DSD workstation. What they did was to use all their original software and hardware talking to a hardware daughter card that I think was supplied by Sony. So translating this to an all-native workstation would be incredibly difficult and require complete native translation to DSD. It's not gonna happen....

Pyramix has transcoding solutions and works in DXD (high sample rate 8 bit PCM, I believe) that they believe is down-convertable to everything. And I believe them, at least audibly, since I've auditioned the 352 kHz DXD versions of various programs and it does seem to be the "uber-master" sonically. There IS A LOSS going to single rate DSD to my ears. It's a pleasant-sounding (euphonic) loss and a very nice delivery medium to my ears, though!

To be honest, anything at or above 192 kHz/24 bit PCM sounds like the analog source to my ears, in blind shootouts.

I really wish that SACD, especially multichannel SACD took off. The ability to just pop in a disc into a player and instantly get surround with no muss, fuss, videos or menus is quite nice. I can't stress that more highly. There are a few audiophile labels publishing in Blu-Ray and SACD and the Blu-Ray takes so long to load and then put up and you still need the video (most times) so it's a Royal Pain to play surround music unless it's on SACD. Take a look at the 2L label from Norway for some very progressive (and continually-being released) physical Classical surround product on Blu-Ray and SACD.

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You also have to understand the original architecture of SADiE's DSD workstation. What they did was to use all their original software and hardware talking to a hardware daughter card that I think was supplied by Sony.
A huge daughter-board even.

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So translating this to an all-native workstation would be incredibly difficult and require complete native translation to DSD. It's not gonna happen....
Indeed. As I wrote, it would require completely new hardware and, as you suggest, a software for native handling of DSD too.
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That's true. But I'm not sure it would work in the price range that Sadie usually target their products for. I mean a DSD card / capable DAW software combo for $1000 would probably be interesting to some, if DSD is integrated well. But for, say, $5000 things would, I think, look quite different.
Ok , understood


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I really wish that SACD, especially multichannel SACD took off. The ability to just pop in a disc into a player and instantly get surround with no muss, fuss, videos or menus is quite nice.
I totally agree with you Bob. thumbsup
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