Limiting time spent listening to a track
Old 9th April 2012
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Limiting time spent listening to a track

It's something that I've been thinking about recently but when I start work on a track I'm trying to listen to it as little as possible while making judgements.

I've got it into my head that the more times I listen to it the more my ears become used to the song sounding a certain way and I start to become bias (making or not making decisions simply because I'm used to what it already sounds like when it comes in) I mean in a way it seems like one of the main things mastering offers is a fresh perspective but then when we lose that then it starts to reduce what we can bring to the table.

Does anybody (or has anybody had) these types of thoughts? Does it seem right that I should be working in this way or should I get over my superstitions and just hit the loop button?
Old 9th April 2012
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Quick listen, analyse the structure of the song, quick listen to each distinct "area" of the song, try to work out an overall tonal picture, grab the section I think needs the most work, do a little work, then listen to all the other sections, has it changed/improved that overall tonal concept? Apply more/less/different processing based on that, then have a listen back to the sections, the segues between the sections (dynamic integrity in tact?), stop for a minute, listen again, everything ok? hit dim, hit record..

30 mins tops.

If I can't make my mind up I go and make a cup of coffee and come back and stick something else on spotify or something, then try again from whichever stage I left it at, very rarely do I pull all the controls down and start again, often it will be a case of the last decision I made was bogus
Old 9th April 2012
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What Joe said. +1
Old 9th April 2012
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The urban legend is that L. Kravitz must hear his mix 20 times in a row without wanting to change anything in order for him to feel that it's done. An hour and ten minutes, on average! Digital Domain have mentioned spending sometimes up to an hour or so on the first song or two of an album, while getting the chain established and the general séance going... After that, it can go more quickly, provided the material permits. Half an hour is the average, but sometimes a 15-minute quickie gets through, yes? Can't transfer a 3.5 min song in 1 minute unless you didn't listen even one time to the whole program.

Indeed, one doesn't want to get used to a bad sound - either from the source, itself, or from the processink one is doink to source during premastering session. To avoid this, rather than limit the amount of passes I do to the song, since there may well be clicks or surprises (rotten Easter eggs?), I keep reference material in rotation on a path of the detangler. At the push of the button, without moving gain knob for monitors, one keeps in touch with the real world. But one also doesn't want to miss something that would be heard by a fan who listens repeatedly to the track and learns its foibles better than the premastering clerk...

Fortunately, you are working in a different room than that in which the mixist worked, and, therefore, your acoustics are wreaking different havoc (at least microhavoc?) on the neutral (potential) playback. So, even if you work on the song for an hour, and thereby got ears used to a somewhat skewed treatment, you are still in a better position than the mixist to normalize the balance of the spectra. They pulled this way - you pulled that. Now it sounds like's balanced flat. (: (if only...)

Make your room sound really good when playing really good recordings and then have fun making others' work sound its best. Don't worry too much. As Calbi's signature goes, Enjoy Music!

Old 9th April 2012
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Race View Post
... I'm trying to listen to it as little as possible while making judgements.
I wouldn't want to risk missing something by not listening enough. I find it's easy enough to maintain perspective by taking ear breaks and listening to reference tracks.
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