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UAD Ampex ATR-102
Old 1st September 2011
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Old 2nd September 2011
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tested...
I don't know what thinking about.

really great for some things, especially the subtle transient enhancer effect and the low end bump sound with a correct setting.
The depth is sometimes better.

But I'm not sure about what it makes in the top end.
It creates too much sibilance for me.

I think it works very well on box sound tracks, mixed in the box, and very thin tracks.
But not on everything...

I prefer my culture vulture in parallel processing for this type of applications.
But I don't have that transient enhancer effect on my vulture, not the same.

Anyway: it's a great plug.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Just ordered a UAD card and should get it next week. Can't wait to demo it and see what this plug-in is all about. Wondering if anybody has been using the StuderA800 for mastering with any success??
Old 2nd September 2011
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Yes I have used the UAD studer for mastering an acoustic Hang album with low medium too forward in the mix, it shapes the balance in a lovely way. Very useful for this situation
Old 2nd September 2011
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Thanks for the insight priko.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Just tried Ampex ATR-102. First impression: it gives bump and saturates low end in a good way. It does change balance of instruments and transients making them slightly softer and midrange gets scooped out.

I expected an improvement of 3d localizaiton with tape plugin, but it turned out to be equalizer/saturation-type emulation. Its definitely cleaner than StuderA800 emulation.
Old 2nd September 2011
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Impressive video from some admirable cats.

But IMO there's no substitute for the reel thing.

JT
Old 2nd September 2011
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I expected an improvement of 3d localizaiton with tape plugin, but it turned out to be equalizer/saturation-type emulation.
And that's where the real analog counterparts for any of these type of emulations will always fall down. Plug-ins have a 2D soundstage, hardware has a 3D soundstage.

Another good reason to run plug-ins prior to analog processing for the final mastering stage.

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But IMO there's no substitute for the reel thing.
Amen brother
Old 7th September 2011
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It is useful when placed just before the limiter for that extra bit of loudness war weaponry. Im sure some will have fun with that.
Old 7th September 2011
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Props the the UAD folks for touting analog tape...

Even if simulated, Studer and Ampex are good names to hear.

JT
Old 7th September 2011
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When the wow and flutter are engaged then disengaged the effect fades out but stays at its lowest setting. The only way to get rid of it completely is to turn the plugin on and off again. This means that any preset with Wow and flutter engaged will always have it unless the plugin is turned off and back on again. If you are considering using this is a mastering tool its important to be aware of this issue.

I have reported this to UAD and hopefully they will fix it soon.
Old 7th September 2011
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Impressive video from some admirable cats.

But IMO there's no substitute for the reel thing.

JT
Personally I could care less if it isn't quite a good as the real thing. Who wants to buy and upkeep a old tape deck. Only crazy people. If it does something sweet to the mix, which it does, and it's very affordable compared to the real thing, which it is, I'm fine with the plug. No sense making a big deal like some do that it isn't exactly like the real thing...it's a plug in!!!! It's not hardware...it's a plug in.
L.
Old 7th September 2011
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Wondering if anybody has been using the StuderA800 for mastering with any success??
Sure, all the time. It's great to saturate thin mixes that have a lot of headroom. If I get to mix a track first before mastering, I like using it for its intended purpose (on all tracks) instead of a "mixdown deck".

I like the 456 formula at 15ips, it tends to tame really harsh HFs that some mixes come in with.
Old 7th September 2011
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Who wants to buy and upkeep a old tape deck. Only crazy people.
Then call me crazy. In this nutty world, being a little loco helps!

Maintaining vintage tape machines is a reel joy actually.

Yesterday I used both a tape saturation simulator (Phoenix Dark Essence) ~and~ a reel 1/2" Ampex ATR-102 simultaneously (a first for me) to bring some fatness and warmth to some very bright and thin digital tracks. Add to that the tubes of the Manley Vari-Mu (hardware) a few dB of bottom from the Sontec 432, and a DeEsser plug-in (Sonnox), and you got yourself some very listenable tunes.

I say use ~all~ the available technology as needed, including tape, if it serves the project.

Best, JT
Old 7th September 2011
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Personally I could care less if it isn't quite a good as the real thing. Who wants to buy and upkeep a old tape deck. Only crazy people. If it does something sweet to the mix, which it does, and it's very affordable compared to the real thing, which it is, I'm fine with the plug. No sense making a big deal like some do that it isn't exactly like the real thing...it's a plug in!!!! It's not hardware...it's a plug in.
L.
I tell you, keeping my 1/4" mix deck in shape is a lot less work than keeping my computer glitch free. I've also had four computers for mastering in the last ten years and only one 1/4" deck. Which is more expensive in the long run?
Old 8th September 2011
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I tell you, keeping my 1/4" mix deck in shape is a lot less work than keeping my computer glitch free. I've also had four computers for mastering in the last ten years and only one 1/4" deck. Which is more expensive in the long run?
Actually, the cost of 2 Quad Cards and the UAD Studer and Ampex plug-ins isn't too far off what you'd spend on a nice refurb'd 1/4" deck (almost bought an MCI 1/4" a few years ago for approx. $3k but decided to invest in a couple of UAD-2 Quads instead) so in my case, my UAD setup alone costs even more. I'm sure in the long run, the UAD cards won't be worth nearly as much as a nicely-maintained deck, but I'm in the business of providing audio services, not antiques/collectibles.

I also don't understand why audio pros have problems with computers; I guess I'm lucky to not have the same sort of issues a lot of people have with computers. Mine (5th DIY DAW in the last 13 years) doesn't even have an internet connection and only runs the software I use for audio (completely glitch free and sticking to using only UAD effects provides stability that I haven't found in any other effects platform). Anyway, computers are today's mixing consoles (I get "under the hood" on mine if an issue comes up and that's how it should be, IMHO).
Old 8th September 2011
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Well, having a real 1/4" deck has the advantage of being able to play and record 1/4" tapes, which has become a good chunk of my business as of late. I've built all my own systems as well, though my current machine was built by a friend of mine who's an IT specialist. I never put any of my workstations on the net either. Removing the capability to connect to the internet from within the OS actually increases the efficiency of the system notably, which I haven't done on this system yet. Any way, I have three professional tape recorders, plus a cassette deck and consumer grade 1/4" deck.

I got an E-mail from the first guy to have a 2" 16-track yesterday. He commented that they didn't have room for it in their control room, so they had to make extra long signal & control cables so they could leave it out in the lobby where it had been delivered. Now, I can record on a machine half that size for 16-track analogue, but compare it to the rig I use for live recording, which can record sixteen tracks and takes up only three rack spaces. I certainly see the advantage of having a couple boxes by your desk vs. these monsters.
Old 10th September 2011
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New UAD Ampex ATR-102 demo-video WITH lots of transients!

Hi sluts!

Viewing the official UA Ampex ATR 102 teaser I found it irritating that they used an already very analog sounding mix to demo their new plugin.
I think it doesn´t show the real potential of the new emulation.

So I decided to create a quick and dirty demo with audiomaterial that has lots of peaks to be rounded out: My drumset!

I started with an already existing snaredrum comparison video created a year ago and remixed it though the UA Ampex ATR-102,
but I even show some chorus & delay effects on a clean+unprocessed stereo-doubled palm mute guitar near the end of the clip.

Unfortunately I had no time to type some closed captions in - so I'd recommend you to watch in 1080p fullscreen to see what I´m doing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-RR0...e=channel&hd=1

Best wishes,
Andreas

EDIT: Please don´t get irritated by the pumping!
I used a Finalizer AFTER the UAD ATR-102 and did overlook the loudness boost of the presets (typically +0,7 to +1dB) - according to other ATR testers the plugin itself does not pump!
Old 10th September 2011
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Wow, GREAT DEMONSTRATION! It seems that the 1" 30 I/S 250 causes some pumping, which I've never heard from tape,

BTW, are those Promark Japanese oak 5As?
Old 10th September 2011
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Cool druming......
Old 10th September 2011
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Every time the reels spin it sounded worse in different way. Pump, smear,
extra unwanted high-mids, and more. A blend knob to reduce the effects
might help. Your quick mix is so good that you didn't need the emulation.

The Ampex was just overkilll. There are analog emulations that might help
in small amounts sometimes, I've used and tested them. But this isn't one
of them, from what I'm hearing. Thanks for doing this test, it was helpful.
Old 10th September 2011
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Wow, GREAT DEMONSTRATION! It seems that the 1" 30 I/S 250 causes some pumping, which I've never heard from tape,

BTW, are those Promark Japanese oak 5As?
This might have something to do with the bass or the autoCAL feature @ 30 IPS which behaves different (AES) than the NAB & CCIR EQs at the lower speeds.

As for the other gear question: I´m using ProMark JAZZ Japan Oak.
Old 10th September 2011
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Really nice job all around !

just a headsup for everyone, it case you hadn't noticed right away - the snare is getting physically swapped every couple of bars. if you're focusing on the ATR panel you might think its just a lighting change - its not!
Old 10th September 2011
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Agree, sounds worse every time those wheels spin......strange pumping sound!

Sorry!
Old 10th September 2011
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The repro on a properly setup ATR-102 is extremely close to the input.


DC
Old 10th September 2011
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The repro on a properly setup ATR-102 is extremely close to the input.


DC
yup. The head bump and top end are the only mojo builders on mine.

The UAD is not bad actually.
Old 11th September 2011
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yes, like a kind of over compressed sound.
And a little pumping feeling. I even heard it on my macbook.

note that you're a great drummer.
Old 11th September 2011
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Nice drumming.
Thanks for sharing.
Old 12th September 2011
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The repro on a properly setup ATR-102 is extremely close to the input.


DC

Now that must be one of the best responses I`ve read on GS in ages!
Old 12th September 2011
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I liked the drumming, I pretty much hated what half the "tape in" sounds.. hmmmm.
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