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Old 29th December 2010
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How to deal with big hip-hop kicks?

The problem is that they usually tend to mask all other elements of the mix,but should i fix this in mixing stage???
I cant figure out how do deal with this-if i start to process kick in the mix,it allways looses something,but if i leave it how i want-they mask ewerything with low end...
Old 29th December 2010
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Are we talking about a sampled kick? If so, maybe look for a sample that fits the mix better. If it's live you should look at the sound you got from tracking.
"Fix it in the mix" is a joke from way back. It was a jab at leaving things too late in the process. If you're having trouble with a sound in your mix, it's more often a problematic source rather than a mix problem.

It may sound counter-intuitive, but leave nothing but final level to the mastering stage. Then your mastering engineer will have the most to work with and surprise you by making your mixes even better.


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Old 29th December 2010
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The problem is that they usually tend to mask all other elements of the mix,but should i fix this in mixing stage???
Deal with it in the song arrangement stage. Fix it as early as possible. Pick a new kick sample. Perform/program the other instrument parts with an ear on the kick. If something gets masked, perform/program that one note with more oomph.

Keep an ear out the entire time and construct a song that doesn't have masking problems in the first place. If you know the kick is huge, go into the tone selection and performance of the melodic parts knowing that on the downbeats that room isn't going to be available near the low end. Choose harsher buzzier leads and perform them accordingly.

Ditto for the vocals. Make the pronunciation, emphasis, and style fit the huge kick already in place.
Old 30th December 2010
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If something gets masked, perform/program that one note with more oomph.
Or, preferably, less.


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Keep an ear out the entire time and construct a song that doesn't have masking problems in the first place.
Exactly.
Old 30th December 2010
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I master material from an indie hip hop label based in St. Louis. Often times the kick and highs are over the top. I really dislike multi-band compression, but hip hop and other electronica are the only instances where i will use one in conjunction with my eq's and other compressors. It ain't the perfect solution, but this does do the trick quite often.
Old 30th December 2010
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How to deal with big hip-hop kicks?

I don't mean to be the antagonist of any debate here but... I would definately work on the low-mid/mid range eq. That's the major source of kick mud and when I hear "too much kick" that's where I start. I mean automatically ditching a sample when a little eq could go a long way. If the source is bad you should have discovered that long ago, if you kept it for a reason then play with it.
Old 30th December 2010
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Thank You for answers!
Yes-production,and arrangement-i was thinking that,in programmed music allmost ewerything must be done in this stage-at wery beginning.

But allso i am wondering-how big is role of multiband processing (or only bass compression) in nowdays hip hop masters!?
I see from answers,that it plays some role..
Old 30th December 2010
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I master material from an indie hip hop label based in St. Louis. Often times the kick and highs are over the top.

Is sort of a "Metallica scoop" pretty common in hip hop mixes? Basically a smiley face with no mids?
Old 30th December 2010
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Is sort of a "Metallica scoop" pretty common in hip hop mixes? Basically a smiley face with no mids?
Not necessary, depends on genre, it may be balanced in mids, but i doubt it will be scooped.
Old 31st December 2010
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