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Old 19th November 2009
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switching to solar power .. who's next

Here in holland you would need to invest around € 25.000,- to make your house/studio running on solar energy ... I'm making up my mind to invest and make the step ...

now it's time to act .. not to wait .. it's there .. just do it ...
Old 19th November 2009
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Here in holland you would need to invest around € 25.000,- to make your house/studio running on solar energy ... I'm making up my mind to invest and make the step ...

now it's time to act .. not to wait .. it's there .. just do it ...
Wow, that is impressive, sir.
How many years before that starts paying for itself?
Old 19th November 2009
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Here in holland you would need to invest around € 25.000,- to make your house/studio running on solar energy ... I'm making up my mind to invest and make the step ...

now it's time to act .. not to wait .. it's there .. just do it ...
Not a good idea. You cannot power up your swimmingpool.

Dont believe the hype too much about wind and solar energy.
I have friends living in Spain in a big farm with a solar system and its not so easy as people try to say.
Old 19th November 2009
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thnx trop and Kjg,

I'm able to put up 50-M2 off solar pannels on my roof which has a perfect position and a nice slope ....
I will be connected to the normal E-net ... if I don't use the energy, I'm selling to the E-compagny .. when it's dark and I need Energy , I'll get it from the regular net.

in the end it will be the balance between used E from the net and the sold E to the Net ...

currently we're using around € 250,- p/month , in a period off 8 years it will be earned back ...

we can take the pannels to another location if we or I move ....
it's just the part in me that's looking for a virtual feel off freedom ..
that feeling should be priceless ...

and the quote on my website like "this studio runs on solar-energy" is me worth any penny ...

In the netherlands there are "socialist" subsidies and the infrastructure is a bit better as spain I guess/Hope ...

I like to take my chance now ...
Old 19th November 2009
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I'm in the design stage of a zero emission studio but maybe not solar powered. Though you should google photo voltaic foil (pv foil) that will be cheaper than current pv panels. (PV folie will give you dutch results that are nearby :-)
Old 19th November 2009
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I think we would struggle to get this scheme going here in London, there's a fundamental flaw in the concept - the word 'solar'!
Old 19th November 2009
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I'm in the design stage of a zero emission studio but maybe not solar powered. Though you should google photo voltaic foil (pv foil) that will be cheaper than current pv panels. (PV folie will give you dutch results that are nearby :-)
interesting, well done .. which direction you're thinking ?? please share ... solar is in a fast evolution .... good things coming out off the developments ...
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I think we would struggle to get this scheme going here in London, there's a fundamental flaw in the concept - the word 'solar'!
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Old 19th November 2009
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I would love to do something like that, if i ever get a house that is,
beeing more or less self sufficient when it comes to heating up the house and powering up my toys and tools..

My thoughts are more into wind power though, we have more wind than sun up here. But i think a big wind turbine requires a big okay from the nearest neighbours.
Old 19th November 2009
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Yep am aware of that but in a fairly low building among fairly tall buildings in a not very sunny city - solar panel isn't a viable option!
Old 19th November 2009
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I've though about it. I have a few thousand square feet of flat roof above my studio that could easily accommodate anything I'd like to put up there. We purchase wind credits at home.

I have two clients with "off the grid" studios. It can be done. Check out Earthology:

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Old 19th November 2009
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interesting, well done .. which direction you're thinking ?? please share ... solar is in a fast evolution .... good things coming out off the developments ...
Well my situation is somewhat different because besides being a audio nut i'm also a part time organic dairy farmer and i'm looking at the the possibility to place a small bio-gas plant. This would combine the need for power and warm water.

Completion of the build would be around the start of 2013 so i have some time to think about it

Look also at combining solar power and warm water panels because when PV cells are cooled on the "roof" side they are a lot more efficient. Otherwise you will possibly place the panels 10cm above you're roofing but have no warm water.

Triple Solar collectors & roof systems, Weesp, the Netherlands, Amsterdam has some systems for that
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But if you trade that mark levinson mono blocks of yours for class-d alternatives you could save some panels
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But if you trade that mark levinson mono blocks of yours for class-d alternatives you could save some panels
J.S. we should get energy out/back from bass-speakers movement ...
thnx for your input/info ...
Old 19th November 2009
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I think we would struggle to get this scheme going here in London, there's a fundamental flaw in the concept - the word 'solar'!
Not to mention being crammed in like sardines.
Old 19th November 2009
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Wim, I congratulate you in doing this. I'm with Klaas-Jan, impressive is indeed the word. Keep us updated!

Unfortunately I won't be next. Not yet. Maybe in the future!

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Old 19th November 2009
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It is a shame that in a such sunny country like the one I live in the use of solar power is almost insignificant...and so expensive to install.

Anyway, I admire those who are taking such step!
Old 20th November 2009
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It is a great idea and I've often thought about it.

Unfortunately the Labor government here restructured the solar rebate scheme (because it was so popular) and so the cost in Australia is pretty high, unless you earn very little per household. We're just doing a major renovation here too so there's no spare money at all. Having said that we are installing a heat pump system for the hot water - surprisingly it is very efficient and comparable with solar hot water systems in terms of usage of energy. It's also much cheaper due to a rebate that hasn't been scrapped yet...

Maybe one day I'll have a heat pump run studio, as the environmental impact of the battery system needed for solar is kind of sobering in many ways.

I do think that this issue is something we should all consider, so I applaud this post.

Even switching to the hypex amps here (while purely a sound issue) has the benefit of using less power. It's a shame I love all my tube gear so much.

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Old 20th November 2009
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You'd have to cover most of London in solar panels to power a building the size of Abbey Road.
I like the concept though, well done for going for it

Last edited by IIIrd; 20th November 2009 at 03:50 PM.. Reason: crap spelling and typing
Old 20th November 2009
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Has anybody tested the influence of solar flares & winds and sunspots? Could affect your sound quality...


sorry couldn't withstand to tease the esoteric members here
Old 20th November 2009
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Has anybody tested the influence of solar flares & winds and sunspots? Could affect your sound quality...


sorry couldn't withstand to tease the esoteric members here
You mean like the usual dutch sound? Flat and rainy?
Old 20th November 2009
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If for €25,000 someone can tow my country South to improve weather conditions I'm in.
Old 20th November 2009
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I very much like the idea of a "green" powered studio. We thought about going green too.
Here in Denmark, the government is "all in" for the green energy, but have regulated the laws, making it a rather stupid investment. Take windpower for instance... Putting up a 1 million DKr. windmill ($200K) is a chancy thing here. The gears in the windmill has an aprox. avarage durability of 16 years - but the investment is returned after 18 years!
Our government is regulating with taxes and this and that, ruining our possibilities of getting good green energy! The population here is all pro renewable energy, and would gladly invest in it, but alas...
We actually have a law that makes it illegal to use natural collected and stored rainwater for practically anything else than watering your garden. We had a case a few years back. I think it was a politician, who installed a system that would use rainwater instead of drinking water, to flush the toilet. Thereby preserving the pure and diminishing supply of drinkingwater (Denmark is known for its pure drinkingwater because of our unique geology). The case went to trial and made precidency. Now it's illegal to use such a system - you have to use precious drinkingwater to flush the toilet... dfegad
Tragically, when we have some of the best renewable energy engineers in the world (Vestas, for instance - now of course relocated to the UK - I wonder why...).

Funny thing is that the Kyoto Protocol meeting - the United Nations climate change conference was held in Copenhagen this year.*

* Note to Americans - Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark (Denmark is an independant country and not the capital of Sweden!)... LOL
Old 21st November 2009
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You'd have to cover most of London in solar panels to power a building the size of Abbey Road.
Solar sliver cells, anyone?

"The unique attributes of SLIVER Cell technology could open many new SLIVER Cell applications, in addition to conventional rooftop and off-grid uses, including:

* Transparent SLIVER Cell panes to replace building windows and cladding
* Flexible, roll-up solar panels
* High-voltage solar panels, and
* Solar powered aircraft, satellite and surveillance systems."

– research at the Australian National University
Old 21st November 2009
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thnx trop and Kjg,

I'm able to put up 50-M2 off solar pannels on my roof which has a perfect position and a nice slope ....
I will be connected to the normal E-net ... if I don't use the energy, I'm selling to the E-compagny .. when it's dark and I need Energy , I'll get it from the regular net.

in the end it will be the balance between used E from the net and the sold E to the Net ...

currently we're using around € 250,- p/month , in a period off 8 years it will be earned back ...

we can take the pannels to another location if we or I move ....
it's just the part in me that's looking for a virtual feel off freedom ..
that feeling should be priceless ...

and the quote on my website like "this studio runs on solar-energy" is me worth any penny ...

In the netherlands there are "socialist" subsidies and the infrastructure is a bit better as spain I guess/Hope ...

I like to take my chance now ...
factor in maintainance as well - these panels dont last forever!!
Old 21st November 2009
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Read the ''about'' page on my (new) website. Da Goose Music - Mastering And Sound Engineering

Funny you mention this since my new site came online last sunday with the solarpower thing.
BTW, it doesn't have to be 25.000.. in 2010 new subsidian things are coming up in Holland.

Why the trees and green colors on our site? We believe in the fact that a better and healthier environment starts with yourself. That is why we have taken a lot of care about how we use the energy consumption in the studio.
We have replaced all lightning with energy friendly led-lights and we have invested in a sola-tube daylight system so that we don't need much lightning at all during daytimes. The studio is soundproofed which also means it is pretty good isolated when it comes to a temperature. Cool in the summer, cozy during winter. We always switch of equipment that is not used during a session and our amplifier is Class-D which is not just one of the best types of amps around but is also known for really low power consumption. For backups and data we make use of a synology DS209 NAS with eco hard-drives who switch of after 15 minutes of not being used. Last but not least we make use of 'eneco ECOstroom' and in 2010 we will switch to 100% solar power!
Old 21st November 2009
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Sorry, but I think you wasted your money>
Global warming is bunch of crap invented by the government to make us all agree to a world wide evironmental governing body. This will give them the power to overide and control.

Something like 31000 science gurus have come forward to admit this fact since a 20year old MIT study confimed it!

Don't believe everything your told on TV!tutt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbBRh...874&feature=iv


And don't bother spending $ on solar power unless your doing it for a very long term power bill saving.

Peace out, joel
Old 21st November 2009
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I've looked into it pretty extensively and to "get off the grid" completely you need to do a combination of solar and wind (turbine). Systems exist here in the US for about 16K. With the rebate the government will give you, installation can be pretty much free (about 8 to 10K). Penciled out they say it takes about 15 years for the system to pay for itself... with a studio added into the mix it would take about 10 years to pay for itself. With the next house (and studio) I build I am going to go this route... provided all the local municipalities allow it. Not everybody likes the look of a wind turbine.

Frankly I'd take the look of a wind turbine at everyone's home as opposed to all the ugly wires and poles we have strung though this beautiful land...

U. G. L. Y. aint no reason to wonder why, they ugly.
Old 21st November 2009
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WOW, you get government rebates in the US to?
Its amazing how all the major countrys have this enviro rebate going at the same time?

Could there be some underlying factor in play here?


Seriously guys, dont waste your money. Look into the copenhagen agreement your president has come up with.

This environmental rubbish has 99% of us blindfolded
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Sorry, but I think you wasted your money>
Global warming is bunch of crap invented by the government to make us all agree to a world wide evironmental governing body. This will give them the power to overide and control.

Something like 31000 science gurus have come forward to admit this fact since a 20year old MIT study confimed it!

Don't believe everything your told on TV!tutt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbBRh...874&feature=iv


And don't bother spending $ on solar power unless your doing it for a very long term power bill saving.

Peace out, joel

there is a huge weight of professional opinion the other way actually. However - there IS debate on whether global warming is human caused or not... the fact IS though - that temperature shift in the polar regions has shifted in 100 years the same amount it has done in the past over 20,000 years. So back at you - dont believe everything you read !! Not in totality... and have a chat with Dr Pat Reynolds about this.... knows more about it than anyone !! His evidence is massive global warming BUT natural causes.
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