The No.1 Website for Pro Audio
 Search This Thread  Search This Forum  Search Reviews  Search Gear Database  Search Gear for sale  Search Gearslutz Go Advanced
This is starting to NOT be a fun place anymore. Studio Headphones
Old 17th August 2008
  #31
Lives for gear
 
dietrich10's Avatar
Every forum I have ever become active in always gets tiresome with the BS.
I am only sort of active on GS and will never again become a daily user of any forum.

A mastering forum even with member a yearly fee would be interesting.

I often use an email list to talk about subjects with close knit of musicians/producers/MEs.
Old 17th August 2008
  #32
Lives for gear
 
MASSIVE Master's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Actually, you are (technically speaking) correct, and you are typical example of that, are you not? You accept CDs by mail, but not uploads/downloads (FTP site whatever). That's not how you do things. At least that's what you advertised on your site a couple of weeks ago...
I probably take 50% or more of my projects via FTP and deliver about a third via FTP.

I have no idea where you'd think differently. I've never "advertised" anything different on my site.
Old 17th August 2008
  #33
Lives for gear
 
24-96 Mastering's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod View Post
EDIT: Are there mastering facilities here at GS that don't do online mastering? Is everybody now doing this already. Sterling? you too?
AFAIK everyone has been doing online delivery for many years. I started it when I opened in 2002, the place I worked in before had already done that for a while and before that, they had ISDN/MusicTaxi (usually just for jingles and such, not for albums though for quality reasons).
Old 17th August 2008
  #34
Gear Guru
 
UnderTow's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod View Post
Part of the problem is that some of you view with disdain the existence of music mastering online facilities.
I don't believe anyone here has any disdain for online facilities. I believe you are drawing the wrong conclusions on why people react to your posts the way they do. It has nothing to do with the online nature of your business.

Quote:
I don't believe the acoustics in your room are right. That's my opinion, See?
I don't see how any one can judge the acoustics of a room without actually visiting the room.

Anyway, bringing this up in this thread is off-topic.

Alistair
Old 17th August 2008
  #35
Lives for gear
 
Robert Randolph's Avatar
 

Thomas, look what you started!
Old 17th August 2008
  #36
kjg
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayfrigo View Post
If you want to correct erroneous info, which is certainly a worthwhile motivation, just plainly correct it and move on. If the person comes back with insults and bait, ignore it. The correction stands, and most people can see what's going on and come to the right conclusions.
I completely agree with this.
"Correct and move on - don't feed the troll" should be a mantra for all constructive members of this forum. Whether they are veterans, newbies, amateurs, or wish to stay anonymous.

If we (the serious, non-bitter, constructive people) all manage to discipline ourselves to not bite, but ignore or in some cases just correct the trolls/wannabes and move on, everything will be fine.

Thank you Thomas, for starting this thread. Some seem to think it just adds to the noise, but I for one definitely appreciate it.

With kind regards to all constructive, respectful individuals,
Klaas-Jan Govaart
Old 17th August 2008
  #37
Gear Addict
 
joerod's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master View Post
I probably take 50% or more of my projects via FTP and deliver about a third via FTP.

I have no idea where you'd think differently. I've never "advertised" anything different on my site.
This is what you display:
BE SURE TO SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE AND A BLANK CD-R OR YOUR SAMPLE WILL NOT BE PROCESSED.
* As much as I’d like to, we cannot offer this service via e-mail or FTP as we used to. Shortly after starting the “audition” master service, we were getting a volume of sample requests that could not be handled in an efficient manner.


I can understand why you prefer not to encourage visitors that want to hear your skill before they PAY for the service. I have no problem with that.

It's just that some of us are more specialized in this online side of the business and in effect, encourage visitors to try the service for *FREE*.

We make it very simple and easy for users to test the service or place an order if they like.

Some jealous MEs may feel *disdain* for a service like that. And again, that's just my *opinion*

But, I am not the only online mastering service that does that. And, most reputable music mastering online services would have a registration and upload script installed. I am also not implying that those who resort to "mediafire" or "Yousendit", or "Send.com" whatever, are not reputable at all.tutt

That said, I didn't see that on your site....
Old 17th August 2008
  #38
Lives for gear
 
macc's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Why not just make this a sticky, then all the bickering can be kept in one place thumbsup

heh
Old 17th August 2008
  #39
Gear Addict
 
joerod's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by 24-96 Mastering View Post
AFAIK everyone has been doing online delivery for many years. I started it when I opened in 2002, the place I worked in before had already done that for a while and before that,...
Well, there you go. Here is one that started as early as '02! BTW Robin, gorgeous web site...
Old 17th August 2008
  #40
Mastering Moderator
 
Riccardo's Avatar
 

Verified Member
In case it went unnoticed, I'll make it clear once again:

We can discuss and argue Gear all day long, dither, SRC , load in or load out, analogue, digital, plug ins and tubes until we drop.

Uncalled criticism about somebody else's business practices, habits, rooms, hats and favourite colours or star signs is not only off topic but downright offensive.

Pointing out possible frauds (like in the case of Turtlerock website pictures) is one thing, the "freedom" as somebody calls it to criticise somebody else's personal choices be it speaker placement or room décor is not on.

I am sure it doesn't take much to understand this... but just in case (repetita iuvant)
Old 17th August 2008
  #41
I always use my real name on forums. I keeps me honest and prevents me from saying things that I wouldn't want anyone with a computer to read me saying. I do slip up once in a while, and maybe it won't be good for me when I finally run for president that I mentioned who my favorite porn babe is or something (IFAL), but I think it's a healthy thing and everyone should do it. If you are well known and don't want to be bothered, just turn off the PM functionality in your account.

And, I would say, you don't want to assume that your identity is safe just because you use a pseudonym. Few people have sufficient self control that they never use combinations of idiosyncratic phrases and consistent misspellings that can be searched for to match your posts up with your identity once there are a reasonable number of them to look at for such posting quirks.
Old 17th August 2008
  #42
Gear Guru
 
UnderTow's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Roddey View Post
...maybe it won't be good for me when I finally run for president that I mentioned who my favorite porn babe is or something (IFAL), but I think it's a healthy thing and everyone should do it.
Really?

Alistair
Old 17th August 2008
  #43
So, should we have a "Which porno babe would you most like to master?" thread?
Old 17th August 2008
  #44
Lives for gear
 
heathen's Avatar
 

If I started using my real name no-one would know who the hell I was. heh
Old 17th August 2008
  #45
Lives for gear
 
MASSIVE Master's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod View Post
This is what you display:
BE SURE TO SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE AND A BLANK CD-R OR YOUR SAMPLE WILL NOT BE PROCESSED.
* As much as I’d like to, we cannot offer this service via e-mail or FTP as we used to. Shortly after starting the “audition” master service, we were getting a volume of sample requests that could not be handled in an efficient manner.
This is for my "get a sample" thing... An "added value" service at best, nothing at all to do with anything else and you know it. So just cut the [SELF-CENSORED] attempts at whatever you're going at.
Quote:
I can understand why you prefer not to encourage visitors that want to hear your skill before they PAY for the service. I have no problem with that.
I think it's already duly noted that I *do* encourage visitors to do so. You found the page, didn't you?
Quote:
It's just that some of us are more specialized in this online side of the business and in effect, encourage visitors to try the service for *FREE*.
Evidently, you don't get nearly as many "free sample requests" as I did when I offered it online. I'll let that speak for itself. I stopped (as mentioned in the info you quoted from my site) after only a few days -- No one could've handled that amount of sample request and still had time to take care of clients.

At this point, I don't get as many - Most of my new clients don't feel the need to get a sample. I'll let that speak for itself also.
Quote:
We make it very simple and easy for users to test the service or place an order if they like.
Go right ahead. Doesn't bug me...
Quote:
Some jealous MEs may feel *disdain* for a service like that. And again, that's just my *opinion*
Can I get a head count of everyone here who is jealous of joerod? Anyone? Beuller?

Yes, it's only *your* opinion.

And your constant bashing is really getting old and tiring. I thought this would finally be a thread that maybe made (some of us) take a look at the big picture here. But I'm tired of the passive-aggressive-apologist crap.
Old 17th August 2008
  #46
Lives for gear
 
peeder's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Riccardo View Post
In case it went unnoticed, I'll make it clear once again:

We can discuss and argue Gear all day long, dither, SRC , load in or load out, analogue, digital, plug ins and tubes until we drop.

Uncalled criticism about somebody else's business practices, habits, rooms, hats and favourite colours or star signs is not only off topic but downright offensive.

Pointing out possible frauds (like in the case of Turtlerock website pictures) is one thing, the "freedom" as somebody calls it to criticise somebody else's personal choices be it speaker placement or room décor is not on.

I am sure it doesn't take much to understand this... but just in case (repetita iuvant)
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. If we can't criticize each other's "business practices, habits, and rooms," how can we criticize each other's "gear, dither, SRC , load in or load out, analogue, digital, plug ins and tubes until we drop." Those are habits and business practices, and the room of course is just another piece of gear (and the most important one).

Criticism, of the constructive sort (and "your speakers are set up in the wrong way" or "your room is sonically assymetrical" is most certainly constructive), is really the best thing any of us can hope for on a forum like this.

If I have bad breath, I want to know it so I can fix it (and yes halitosis can most often be fixed). But my friends in real life may be too shy to out and tell me about it. They are doing me a great disservice by hiding from me the feedback I need to know to improve my life. But if some anonymous entity out on the Internet tells me, sure I may be a bit humiliated, I may try to get back at them, I may cry to some forum moderator, but the message will have been delivered and after I swallow my pride I'll go out and get some floss.
Old 17th August 2008
  #47
Gear Addict
 
joerod's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master View Post
This is for my "get a sample" thing... An "added value" service at best, nothing at all to do with anything else and you know it. So just cut the [SELF-CENSORED] attempts at whatever you're going at.
What I am going at is self evident. You don't make it easier and you are NOT a true "online mastering facility" that's all.

Quote:
I think it's already duly noted that I *do* encourage visitors to do so. You found the page, didn't you?
I had to look for it. And, I didn't see no "upload here" link on your front page or anywhere in your site...



Quote:
Evidently, you don't get nearly as many "free sample requests" as I did when I offered it online. I'll let that speak for itself. I stopped (as mentioned in the info you quoted from my site) after only a few days -- No one could've handled that amount of sample request and still had time to take care of clients.
Hearsay. I can also brag if I want to that ever since you've been answering all my comments, my request count went up to the roof. But, there is no way that you can confirm that, is there?


Quote:
At this point, I don't get as many - Most of my new clients don't feel the need to get a sample. I'll let that speak for itself also.
Hearsay...


Quote:
Go right ahead. Doesn't bug me...
If it *doesn't* bother you, why comment on this comment?

Quote:
Can I get a head count of everyone here who is jealous of joerod? Anyone? Beuller?
Making a plea for anyone who knows you to come and join in the bickering, only makes you look ridiculous as opposed to the smart, confident ME you represent yourself to be...



Quote:
And your constant bashing is really getting old and tiring. I thought this would finally be a thread that maybe made (some of us) take a look at the big picture here. But I'm tired of the passive-aggressive-apologist crap.
Maybe you should spend more time moderating *YOUR FORUM* and less time bickering at GearSlutz.com...
Old 17th August 2008
  #48
Lives for gear
 
Robert Randolph's Avatar
 

It seems like getting rid of only one or two users would solve the problem dfegad
Old 17th August 2008
  #49
Lives for gear
 
MASSIVE Master's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod View Post
What I am going at is self evident. You don't make it easier and you are NOT a true "online mastering facility" that's all.
Any mastering facility that can work via FTP is a "true online" facility. You are evidently ONLY an "online" facility. Again - That's fine. But don't think that you're special because you can work online... We all do.
Quote:
I had to look for it. And, I didn't see no "upload here" link on your front page or anywhere in your site...
If you want the public to be able to access your servers at any time, you go right ahead. I know of very few "true mastering facilities" (as you would put it) that allow something like that.
Quote:
Hearsay. I can also brag if I want to that ever since you've been answering all my comments, my request count went up to the roof. But, there is no way that you can confirm that, is there?
And again, good for you. Ask me if I care. Maybe now you'll understand why I don't offer "samples" online.
Quote:
If it *doesn't* bother you, why comment on this comment?
Just being as thorough as possible.
Quote:
Making a plea for anyone who knows you to come and join in the bickering, only makes you look ridiculous as opposed to the smart, confident ME you represent yourself to be...
(sound of something going over someone's head)
Quote:
Maybe you should spend more time moderating *YOUR FORUM* and less time bickering at GearSlutz.com...
My forum isn't nearly as cool as GearSlutz...

Will you please just cut this s**t out?
Old 17th August 2008
  #50
kjg
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by SigmaDeltaAudio View Post
It seems like getting rid of only one or two users would solve the problem dfegad
one would be enough.
Old 17th August 2008
  #51
Lives for gear
 
DSD_Mastering's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master View Post
Can I get a head count of everyone here who is jealous of joerod? Anyone? Beuller? .
I'm jealous...
Attached Thumbnails
This is starting to NOT be a fun place anymore.-protool24mix.gif  
Old 17th August 2008
  #52
Lives for gear
 
peeder's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by SigmaDeltaAudio View Post
It seems like getting rid of only one or two users would solve the problem dfegad
In Soviet Union, we had these same thoughts!
Old 17th August 2008
  #53
Gear Addict
 
alyricalmind's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas W. Bethe View Post
I would like to talk about mastering. I would like to converse with other people who are interested in talking about mastering. I DO NOT WANT to read though a lot of messages that are personal attacks or are aimed solely at creating controversy.

It would be nice if the general tone of this web board could go back to the time when we all got along civilly and there was less noise and more content. This is one of the most professional web boards on the web and I would like to keep it that way if at all possible.

Lately there seems to be a few posters who think that it is ok to do personal attacks on senior members of the mastering profession for what ever reason. There are also a few posters that want to push their agenda or want to prove that they are more well informed than they really are or say things just to muddy the waters or create controversy just for the sake of doing it.

Could we get back to the time that we all learned something here and cut out the elementary school playground bullying that seems to be getting more and more prevalent?


Thanks!

One thing that might help a lot is to have people use their REAL names like they do a Brad Blackwood's forum. It seem to keep the noise down when people can't hide behind a nom de plume.

I deff agree. I just recently got into a heated debate about Win XP being able to support 16GB RAM... another person had to start an entire debate about how that's not true... when I explained that it is true with the 64bit version, the person proceeded to try to defend himself by saying some people don't use 64bit instead of accepting the fact that he was not aware of the limitation lift on the 64bit version... useless arguments waste soo much time and get everyone in a bad mood.
Old 17th August 2008
  #54
Lives for gear
 
MASSIVE Master's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSD_Mastering View Post
I'm jealous...
Your attachment didn't show...? Or was it symbolic?
Old 17th August 2008
  #55
Lives for gear
 
DSD_Mastering's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master View Post
Your attachment didn't show...? Or was it symbolic?
It shows here. hmmmmmmmmmm..
I just grabbed the pic off of joerod's site.

Regards,
Bruce
Old 17th August 2008
  #56
Gear Addict
 
joerod's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MASSIVE Master View Post
Any mastering facility that can work via FTP is a "true online" facility. You are evidently ONLY an "online" facility. Again - That's fine. But don't think that you're special because you can work online... We all do.

If you want the public to be able to access your servers at any time, you go right ahead. I know of very few "true mastering facilities" (as you would put it) that allow something like that.

And again, good for you. Ask me if I care. Maybe now you'll understand why I don't offer "samples" online.

Just being as thorough as possible.

(sound of something going over someone's head)

My forum isn't nearly as cool as GearSlutz...

Will you please just cut this s**t out?
The discussion was not about the definition of what a true online mastering service is, if that's what you are hope for.

Like I said, IMHO, those who invest in a script to register users and allow them to upload audio to sample or order, are more professionally set up.

If you have that many users working online the more reason to set that up running in your site. That's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

That said, I am not more exposed to security issues than you are with your FTP.

So, the only thing left to say, it's let's cut the bickering off...
Old 18th August 2008
  #57
Lives for gear
 
Sunbreak Music's Avatar
 

Verified Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod View Post
Like I said, IMHO, those who invest in a script to register users and allow them to upload audio to sample or order, are more professionally set up.
That's hilarious. As far as I've seen it allows you to publicly post someone's activity on your personal site on a forum--isn't that where this all started?

Nice to take a bunch of shots, then say "let's just stop the bickering".

It's seems strange to me that after Riccardo's post re-enforcing decorum we now have someone incorrectly stating the services someone else offers--that's crossing the line......big time. Even if it's under the guise of "just my opinion".

This #$% is getting old, and the mods better get a grip on it. Not in an "everyone's guilty" way, but in a targeted, specific, and appropriate way.

.02 Have a nice evening. heh

Last edited by Sunbreak Music; 18th August 2008 at 12:02 AM.. Reason: removing potty mouth
Old 18th August 2008
  #58
kjg
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbreak Music View Post
This #$% is getting old, and the mods better get a grip on it. Not in an "everyone's guilty" way, but in a targeted, specific, and appropriate way.

.02 Have a nice evening. heh
Yes, please. Or at least give me an ignore button. Even if I don't bite, BS posts are still cluttering half of the threads.
Old 18th August 2008
  #59
Lives for gear
 
peeder's Avatar
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjg View Post
Yes, please. Or at least give me an ignore button. Even if I don't bite, BS posts are still cluttering half of the threads.
Click Quick Links/User Control Panel, Click Edit Ignore List, and add the username you want to ignore. It will be as if all their posts were deleted by the moderators.

(And it's hilarious when people blindly make the same arguments as those they are ignoring! heh)
Old 18th August 2008
  #60
kjg
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by peeder View Post
Click Quick Links/User Control Panel, Click Edit Ignore List, and add the username you want to ignore. It will be as if all their posts were deleted by the moderators.
Thanks peeder. Never had a need for it yet... GREAT to know it is there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by peeder View Post
(And it's hilarious when people blindly make the same arguments as those they are ignoring! heh)
I can imagine But there's not much chance on that happening in this specific case though.

Thanks again, peeder.

And bye bye joerod!
Top Mentioned Products
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter / Forum
Replies
GILFOIL / The Moan Zone
13
DSMrehearsal / So much gear, so little time
0
lanemeyer16 / Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music and Location Recording
2

Forum Jump
Forum Jump